iPhone 11 Lineup Tipped to Have Familiar Rollout: September 13 Pre-Orders, September 20 Launch

[EugW]

You're right, 4G is more than enough for nearly all the things we're currently doing with our phones and maybe even on a personal hotspot. That said, if you live in a dense area you will absolutely benefit from 5G. 5G isn't necessarily about higher speeds but accommodation for thousands of devices. In an absolutely perfect 5G context, you would be able to go to a stadium and not lose your internet connection because 50.000 people are connecting along with you.

This is exactly what happened when I went to LTE. There was a huge increase in reliability in congested areas. That is, until LTE got super congested.

I expect that once I get 5G on my iPhone along with carrier support, reliability in congested areas will increase dramatically, not only because of the design of the technology, but also simply because most other people won’t have it.

For me, I don’t really care that much about max speed for my own single connection. I’m concerned about the reliability of the connection to provide relatively decent speeds. I’d take a consistent 30 Mbps connection over a 150 Mbps connection that periodically cuts out.

BTW, when Apple finally was releasing LTE iPhones, these forums were full of posts how LTE was not necessary.

 

[PHMA]

I think almost every single year the release date has been the same weekend as the Singapore Formula 1 race and this year that's the weekend of 20th September so .. I'm pretty sure the cycle will continue.
Don't know what to do this year, my launch-day X is still great and I have no real need to upgrade. However having moved from 1 year updates to 2 and now to 3 years my wife's phone is now old enough it won't get iOS 13. I suspect she won't even care and we did get the battery replaced when Apple did the replacement program so we'll probably sit it out another year. As long as WhatsApp works and she can read mail and log in to her bank account, that pretty much covers 98% of usage so iOS 13 .. not really necessary.

This is so utterly male chauvinist... So because you don't have to upgrade your wife has to wait, even though her iPhone can't get iOS13? You think that she won't care as long as WhatsApp works? What is she, an ignorant bimbo who does nothing but read WhatsApp? What is the reason your wife can't have the newest and latest iPhone while you're still holding on to your older model?

Sorry for my rant...

 

[EugW]

This is so utterly male chauvinist... So because you don't have to upgrade your wife has to wait, even though her iPhone can't get iOS13? You think that she won't care as long as WhatsApp works? What is she, an ignorant bimbo who does nothing but read WhatsApp? What is the reason your wife can't have the newest and latest iPhone while you're still holding on to your older model?

Sorry for my rant...

In his defence, my wife couldn’t care less either. And guess what? She represents the majority of the population, male or female. In fact, she sometimes complains when I update the OS, etc.

Her main concerns revolve around screen size and battery life, along with ease of messaging... with WhatsApp and iMessage. And she is well-educated and gainfully employed.

 

[PHMA]

I don't care either, neither does my wife.
But she decides for herself what phone to get and when to buy one. It's not me who gives her my old phone, because I decided I should have a new one.

But hey, we are completely off-topic. To each his own, as long as you and your wife are happy.

Back on-topic: I think that the coming release is so boring people will only upgrade when they need to because their old phone is broken or unusable. Which by the way is the only good reason to buy a new phone.

 

[I7guy]

I don't care either, neither does my wife.
But she decides for herself what phone to get and when to buy one. It's not me who gives her my old phone, because I decided I should have a new one.

But hey, we are completely off-topic. To each his own, as long as you and your wife are happy.

Back on-topic: I think that the coming release is so boring people will only upgrade when they need to because their old phone is broken or unusable. Which by the way is the only good reason to buy a new phone.

This year, imo, would be a great option for iphone 6 and 6s, according to the rumors. (I'm discounting 5g at this moment) Not boring at all. The max was an exciting release and I feel the same will be true for the iphone 11.

 

[EugW]

This year, imo, would be a great option for iphone 6 and 6s, according to the rumors. (I'm discounting 5g at this moment) Not boring at all. The max was an exciting release and I feel the same will be true for the iphone 11.

My guess is the 11 isn’t going to be that interesting, at least to me.

If I had a 6 Plus I’d definitely upgrade, but then again I would have upgraded from the 6 Plus a long time ago. The 1 GB RAM on the 6 Plus is painful. However, if I had a 2G A9 6s Plus along with a new battery, I’d consider waiting for 5G in the iPhone XII next year.

We have a backup iPhone SE with 2G and A9, and performance in iOS 13.0 beta is acceptable.

 

[I7guy]

My guess is the 11 isn’t going to be that interesting, at least to me.

If I had a 6 Plus I’d definitely upgrade, but then again I would have upgraded from the 6 Plus a long time ago. The 1 GB RAM on the 6 Plus is painful. However, if I had a 2G A9 6s Plus along with a new battery, I’d consider waiting for 5G in the iPhone XII next year.

We have a backup iPhone SE with 2G and A9, and performance in iOS 13.0 beta is acceptable.

I know people on an iPhone 6/6+(Admittedly a decreasing number) . When I ask why they don’t upgrade the answer is the phone does everything they want.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. 3-4 years maximum for a phone for me.

 

[tigress666]

But they don’t have to upgrade to the latest. They might choose to upgrade to an 8 because of size.

I got an iPhone 6. I’m getting an xs cause I expect to try to hold on to it as long as it can last. I’m upgrading cause my 6 has had it. Enough so that I know next year will probably have a much better upgrade with 5g and all but I really am not willing to use this phone for a year more. It’s dieing and barely usable. And I don’t want to spend a few hundred on a temp phone just for one year.

 

[Alexrat1996]

Don’t worry. You won’t need to pre order.

I’m upgrading on the IUP

 

[Solomani]

Ummm…. so is this the new Apple Logo?

 

[Drogba11]

The XS offers quite a few upgrades over the X, with no increase in price: 4GB RAM (increased from 3GB), better camera with a new sensor, new image signal processor, various improved picture and video modes, better display, improved sound, IP68 water resistance (vs. IP67), dual SIM capability, faster FaceID, faster wireless charging, up to 15% faster CPU, up to 50% faster GPU and the machine learning neural engine co-processor goes from 2-core/600 billion operations per second to an amazing 8-core/5 trillion ops/sec—over 7x faster.

Also: stronger glass, better battery life, stereo video recording via four microphones, more frequency bands, including T-Mobile's 600 MHz LTE Band 71, and a faster “gigabit class” cellular radio. (In tests on US cellular carriers, the average download speeds more than doubled and upload speeds increased by 50%.)

Some will upgrade just for the gold color lol, and a $200 upgrade to 512GB is now available as well, for those who need half a terabyte of storage on their phone. For those who miss the Plus size, for only an extra $100(!) they can get the XS Max.

Like I said, the XS is better than the X in almost every way. It’s hard to find an aspect left untouched. This is what Apple does—they iterate.

But that doesn’t mean their first cut must be avoided. Whether you look at the original iPod, iPhone, iPad, Watch, HomePod—really, you can go back as far as you want: Apple I, Macintosh, LaserWriter—all of these products, though expensive, were “worth it”, and gave early adopters little reason for buyer’s remorse.

Of course later generations will be better, but Apple waited until they had a “better than good enough” product to release. Sure, they’ve had their misfires, but when they re-invent a category, they usually nail it right out of the gate—and it only gets better from there.

This is just infuriating to the Apple-hate crowd for some reason (not directed at you, Freida), but oh well. I for one am most looking forward to their take on VR and transportation (most likely, as a service). Can’t wait for Tim Apple’s pipeline of amazing products and services to produce it’s next game-changing home run.

The X has a Qualcomm modem. I'd take that over the Intel modem in the XS

 

[Chris The Bipolarbear]

Anyone remember the days when cell phons were this size and made phone calls No texts, internet, or anything but calls and cost $500 and that was in the 90's.

 

[jimi78]

Maybe its because I got an XR as an upgrade from my 6S+ a few months ago, but I'm just not excited by what rumors I've seen. I'm not looking to upgrade but I will be disheartened if at the end of the keynote I'm not pleasantly surprised by some aspect of the presentation.

I share the sentiment. I recently upgraded to Xs from my 8+ only because I knew I wasn't really looking forward to a square bump on the back of the phone. I think I can wait another couple years before upgrading. Cheers.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

Anyone remember the days when cell phons were this size and made phone calls No texts, internet, or anything but calls and cost $500 and that was in the 90's.View attachment 855887

Wow, you're old.

I'm a millenial. We had this beauty:

 

[Chris The Bipolarbear]

Wow, you're old.

I'm a millenial. We had this beauty:

I was 60 July 5 this year. and MY MUM is Still alive and was 96 on June 28th This Year

 

[AppleHaterLover]

I was 60 July 5 this year. and MY MUM is Still alive and was 96 on June 28th This Year

60 is the new 45!

 

[cocoua]

based on rumors, this update sounds more like an XSS than a new iPhone XI, hope the main camera get some improvements at low light, as by now, this is the main Achilles heel in smartphones.
almost same tec specs, few to none usability upgrade (indeed a downgrade... get rid of the 3D touch..)

hardware is reaching that point where is hard to justify those big numbers in price, we are not talking about same specs at half price in Android, we are talking about 1/4 the price.

iOS is the only thing iPhones have by now and many all-live-iPhone-users in Spain are switching to android, until now to buy an iPhone was a must in order to look cool and tech-updated, but things around me are changing, even in a "economical relaxed environment" friends are experimenting with Android in work phones or even in main phone as chinese devices are almost 1/3 of an iPhone, user experience could be worst, but for the same price you can buy a new phone latest specs every year vs 3 year iPhone, screens are bigger, disk size is bigger, cameras are almost the same, and this are the 3 main things a common user cares (not me as I prefer the iPhone experience over latest tech, but I understand other people needs) RAM and CPU speed is something regular people dont care as long as they can do what they need with their phones, triple A gamers and video editors doent work with phones as primary tool, so those aren0t important things to 80% customers,

I don't know what to think about the future for iOS...

 

[EugW]

based on rumors, this update sounds more like an XSS than a new iPhone XI, hope the main camera get some improvements at low light, as by now, this is the main Achilles heel in smartphones.

These are just names anyway.

Personally, I think the move from the iPhone XS to the 11 Pro is likely a bigger jump than the move from the iPhone 7 to the iPhone 8. And the jump from the XR to the 11R is likely even bigger, considering the 11R likely gets a dual-lens camera, along with that RAM bump.

 

[Stridr69]

Like most of you I'm not really excited about this years model. But I have a question/confusion. Last year I joined Apples upgrade program for the first time. So I'm about half way through the 24 payments. But looking online it's pretty vague about what happens if you choose not to trade in at the end of the first year. I assume if I don't, and make all 24 payments, I own the phone. So if I get the 2020 model, I shouldn't have to trade in the 2018 one right? Because I will have already made all 24 payments. Also, when I go into the About setting on the phone it says my AppleCare+ will expire in September 2019 (one year from purchase). But the phis nortone has AppleCare+ by being in the upgrade plan. So if I choose not to upgrade right away, and say in November it has a problem, I'm screwed? Doesn't seem right. They advertise that it comes with AppleCare+, which is supposed to be two years.

Interesting. My launch day XS Max has AppleCare+ expiring on 9/20/20. You need to check into that big time.

 

[Stridr69]

As someone who still has an iPhone 6 (which I bought brand new), I not only agree with you, but thought that several years ago. Zero desire to upgrade, and will only do so when this phone dies. It's responsive, has a great retina screen, great camera, plenty of storage, brand new battery replaced by their free battery-gate replacement scheme, and.... has a headphone jack ha ha ha ha ha (and tbh, thus why my next phone will be Android).

Your next android phone probably won't have a headphone jack either. Think Note 10
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Will the iPhone 11 have wireless charging (Qi) capability at all since that wireless charging mat was cancelled by Apple?

Yes.
Next.....

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

Your next android phone probably won't have a headphone jack either. Think Note 10

Yeah nah, there are plenty of Androids still with headphone jack. It will be a non-negotiable requirement.
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I find the SoCs of iDevices of that era slow, but tolerable for light usage. However, I find the 1 GB RAM extremely limiting, with constant Safari tab reloads. I bought the iPhone 5S back in 2013, and within about 1.5 years, I wanted to get rid of it. I liked the size, but the tab reloads were incredibly infuriating. I finally got the 3 GB iPhone 7 Plus in 2016 which was an ENORMOUS improvement.

Fair enough. I use Chrome, not Safari, not sure if that makes a diff, but I don't really notice it being slow. I'm also not a heavy internet user on my phone since I work all day in front of my MBP. So for me, I mostly use my phone for calls, messages, maps, music, calendar etc, and it's plenty fast enough for all that.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

If there are any headphone jacks left to be found on an Android phone in the next few years. They’re disappearing at a rapid clip in the flagship phones.

I don't need a flagship. Obviously. Since I'm fine with an iPhone 6.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see the headphone jack making a comeback at some point. On the odd occasion I have a conversation w someone who has a non-jack iPhone about the jack, their face falls, and they talk about the frustration of it. At some point, the pointy heads at Apple/Samsung etc are going to wake up.

 

[Djentleman]

I’ve just finished paying off my X’s iUP. The next upgrade that’s even remotely in mind is most likely the (hopefully) notchless 11S. If that doesn’t happen, it’ll be the 12 instead.

 

[Rob_2811]

In display Touch ID coming back next year according to Mark Gurman. Thats a good move but his report says it might not ship until 2021. Imagine it takes them until 2021 to get that in an iPhone when a several Android flagships are using it now.

Apples squabbles with Qualcomm handicapping the iPhone it seems.

 

[I7guy]

In display Touch ID coming back next year according to Mark Gurman. Thats a good move but his report says it might not ship until 2021. Imagine it takes them until 2021 to get that in an iPhone when a several Android flagships are using it now.

Apples squabbles with Qualcomm handicapping the iPhone it seems.

Several android flagships have under display Touch ID, from everything I read works ok. Apple doesn’t implement functions that work just ok.