iPhone 11 Pro Said to Offer 13% Faster 4G LTE Speeds Than iPhone XS

[MacUser09425]

Of course everyone will want it, why wouldn't you take potentially faster speeds for "free".
It's rather that for people who will buy a 11 Pro, next years upgrade probably will be as much iterative as this years upgrade to people with an XS. 5G is just not the must have yet. It most likely will be by the time people with the 11 will want to upgrade again. That's what I suspect at least.

My point was that not everyone can trivially afford these flagship phones; getting value for their existing device is the only way they can do it.

Now that people are holding onto phones longer that 11 phone you reference will be 4 years old in 2023. Who’s going to want a non-5G device then?

 

[G4DPII]

So they are basically admiting it wasn't giving full 4G speeds before?

 

[eulslix]

So they are basically admiting it wasn't giving full 4G speeds before?

What?? Your post doesn't make sense.

 

[eulslix]

My point was that not everyone can trivially afford these flagship phones; getting value for their existing device is the only way they can do it.

Now that people are holding onto phones longer that 11 phone you reference will be 4 years old in 2023. Who’s going to want a non-5G device then?

I personally think that 5G won't be such an attractive feature before... lets say 2023 in most countries. I live in Austria. I don't see our providers covering Vienna within the next couple of years. Plans are 2025 as far as i remember. And Austria is actually considered to be a very competitive market for providers. So yeah...

 

[GetSwole37]

This is good news because they'll still be intel modems.
I held off in part from the Xs because of the many reported cellular issues

You realize the issue is not speed data, but phone call quality? If you are on AT&T or T-mobile, you have a Intel chip. That’s when you have a lot of signal issues. It’s not always. They are just terrible in some places.

 

[rjjacobson]

Its funny how people here think LTE will become irrelevant with 5G... you do realise all the promises about 100% coverage will never come to fruition because of the immense costs associated with it. Most of the rural areas will stay at technology with better penetration/range because nobody will want to invest that much money for such a low population density.
5G most likely will be interesting in metropolitan areas in a couple of years, but for all the rest I expect LTE to stay relevant... which is exactly where I miss high data speeds most

so yeah... this matters.

Exactly. And with the costs the carriers will charge us I am happy to go to the new 11 Pro Max. I do not think I will want to use/pay extra for 5G sorta ok where I am with LTE. Bigger problem (I am a grandfathered AT&T “unlimited data so called” user) is that AT&T is marginal on the edge of town where I live always 1-2 bars mostly 1. It works, but was a bit worse with the antenna/modem issues, however all my phones several years back benefited from the Wifi in house to use with internet because of this. Not gonna change even if 5G is somehow put up near me. So waiting on the iUP for next year is not really any draw for me, just wanted the new cameras especially and finally going back to Max size, with full memory option of 512GB so I can keep even more photos on phone.

 

[Jsameds]

5G will only be appealing when they nerf 4G speeds. Until then I'll happily sit on 4G speeds at half the cost of the 5G tariffs.

 

[jlc1978]

Can we get a fact check on that please. I’m pretty sure that’s BS.

I agree. Outside of a few major metropolitan area

Not as nice of boost as 5G that’s rolling out everywhere but Apple

The problem is that with the scanty coverage people would complain about how they bought a 5G phone but only get LTE speeds. Until 5G matures there is no real reason to put out a 5G phone except for bragging rights.

 

[FamVR]

These speeds don't seem very good in either case. I've seen much higher speeds with my old iPhone X (Asia/Pacific Qualcomm-based model A1865) on the Three network in London.

I checked this a couple weeks ago with an old iPhone 6 and got 101/46 (T-Mobile) but then again, the values in that image are the average speeds of said providers.

 

[lunarworks]

Incremental until 5G implementation comes along next year and blows these speeds away.

Until someone stands next to you and your reception drops to 2G speeds.

 

[wigby]

Can we get a fact check on that please. I’m pretty sure that’s BS.

It's hard to get a fact check when the carriers are lying left and right about 5G and its rollout. It is rolling out everywhere but it's a matter of time, not coverage.

 

[MikeTHIS]

My XS max is USELESS on AT&T LTE. I hardly have service and when it reports full signal it crawls.

If the modem is better I’d consider upgrading, unless the later builds of this phone have improved.

 

[orthorim]

Good cos the Xs max has had a year of problems with lte

What kind of problems?

Didn't notice any here in Asia.

But I was recently comparing 3G vs 4G speeds on my phone, thinking there isn't that much actual difference.

Well. I was wrong. 4G was showing 120Mbps - that's pretty incredible for a phone.

 

[rjjacobson]

5G will only be appealing when they nerf 4G speeds. Until then I'll happily sit on 4G speeds at half the cost of the 5G tariffs.

Same here, I am happy with LTE in most areas (except weak signal near my almost rural neighborhood... 5G just does not excite me yet maybe in a few years...

 

[orthorim]

Same here, I am happy with LTE in most areas (except weak signal near my almost rural neighborhood... 5G just does not excite me yet maybe in a few years...

Measured 120Mbps on my iPhone LTE / 4G.

Keep in mind that's fiber speed, and faster than any DSL connection. Only problem is lag these days, raw speed is plenty enough.

 

[rjjacobson]

Measured 120Mbps on my iPhone LTE / 4G.

Keep in mind that's fiber speed, and faster than any DSL connection. Only problem is lag these days, raw speed is plenty enough.

Well with WI-FI (comcast, and Apple AirPort Extreme) I get around 100 Mbps. On the two bars of AT&T LTE at house just now I get only 21Mbps. In good coverage of LTE I get around 100 also.

 

[orthorim]

Same here, I am happy with LTE in most areas (except weak signal near my almost rural neighborhood... 5G just does not excite me yet maybe in a few years...

You know all those conspiracy theories about 5G? Well - looking at it from another perspective it seems to be the case that (1) the vast majority of the facebook-scrolling population will never see any difference in speed because 4G is already much faster than what they can consume, (2) it seems to be rammed down our throats even though nobody asked for it (3) industry keeps saying it's going to be super important for business.... without ever presenting even a single actual business case, certainly not one that would somehow ROI 100s of billions of dollars investment - compared to 4G.

I have heard 5G might make VR over wireless possible - but the applications of that are just dreams of startups, nothing that's either a given or proven to make money. It'll be cool but is it going to be a $100Bn business?? Probably not.

I've heard games will be awesome due to low lag. Sure they'll be - except you have WiFi which is just as good or better and the use cases for super low lag gaming on phones are edge cases.

And the list goes on. Fast internet is epic but it does not change the fact that 4G speeds are good enough for 99% of use cases ...the business metrics give credence to conspiracy theories. Namely, whatever the reasons are to put these antennas everywhere, they're not the reasons we've been told, because the reasons we've been told make no sense....

 

[rjjacobson]

You know all those conspiracy theories about 5G? Well - looking at it from another perspective it seems to be the case that (1) the vast majority of the facebook-scrolling population will never see any difference in speed because 4G is already much faster than what they can consume, (2) it seems to be rammed down our throats even though nobody asked for it (3) industry keeps saying it's going to be super important for business.... without ever presenting even a single actual business case, certainly not one that would somehow ROI 100s of billions of dollars investment - compared to 4G.

I have heard 5G might make VR over wireless possible - but the applications of that are just dreams of startups, nothing that's either a given or proven to make money. It'll be cool but is it going to be a $100Bn business?? Probably not.

I've heard games will be awesome due to low lag. Sure they'll be - except you have WiFi which is just as good or better and the use cases for super low lag gaming on phones are edge cases.

And the list goes on. Fast internet is epic but it does not change the fact that 4G speeds are good enough for 99% of use cases ...the business metrics give credence to conspiracy theories. Namely, whatever the reasons are to put these antennas everywhere, they're not the reasons we've been told, because the reasons we've been told make no sense....

Yes, I agree. I just am not sold on 5G and I think it mostly is a way for carriers to gouge us further. For me with LTE and my Wifi at home I am generally just fine where I am with all my iPhones of last several years. I wonder about the issues also with 5G signals (with antennas all over) what they are doing and what this might do to health as well... Lots of questions and I like you have not been looking for 5G

 

[orthorim]

Well with WI-FI (comcast, and Apple AirPort Extreme) I get around 100 Mbps. On the two bars of AT&T LTE at house just now I get only 21Mbps. In good coverage of LTE I get around 100 also.

I'd say even 21Mbps is fast enough for anything you might want to do on that tiny screen. As I said there's an added lag over LTE which is the main cause that it seems slower than WiFi. That's my theory anyway.

You need to use 5GHz WiFi to go past 100Mbps ... (5Ghz has nothing to do with 5G BTW, it's just WiFi).

I was annoyed our 200Mbps fiber line was only giving me 100 in both download and speed test - until I switched from 2.4Ghz Wifi to 5Ghz, and bingo, suddenly I got 200Mbps. (cue facepalm - but up to that point I didn't know 2.4Ghz is actually a lot slower)

 

[PickUrPoison]

My XS max is USELESS on AT&T LTE. I hardly have service and when it reports full signal it crawls.

If the modem is better I’d consider upgrading, unless the later builds of this phone have improved.

Yet millions of other XS/XS Max have no issue on AT&T.

Could be a defective phone, or a network issue. You might want to have it serviced while it’s still under warranty, if it is a hardware problem.

 

[639051]

Measured 120Mbps on my iPhone LTE / 4G.

Keep in mind that's fiber speed, and faster than any DSL connection. Only problem is lag these days, raw speed is plenty enough.

"Fiber Speed"?

Cable networks have far exceeded this for years now, I had 300Mbps on cable 4ish years ago.

I have fiber now (FTTH) with 1Gbps, 120Mbps is great for mobile but lets not act like it's anything special in the wired world.

 

[rjjacobson]

I'd say even 21Mbps is fast enough for anything you might want to do on that tiny screen. As I said there's an added lag over LTE which is the main cause that it seems slower than WiFi. That's my theory anyway.

You need to use 5GHz WiFi to go past 100Mbps ... (5Ghz has nothing to do with 5G BTW, it's just WiFi).

I was annoyed our 200Mbps fiber line was only giving me 100 in both download and speed test - until I switched from 2.4Ghz Wifi to 5Ghz, and bingo, suddenly I got 200Mbps. (cue facepalm - but up to that point I didn't know 2.4Ghz is actually a lot slower)

I agree.

Well I am using old AirPort Extreme last model. I got a spare as I just was not happy with Wifi routers around and how it works well with apple products. Now that WIFI 6 is supported not sure what that means, but my other limit is comcast Xifiity. I have base Xfinity and pay through the nose since I do not want com crap TV the way they offer, (they charge me more since I do not do TV what bull, but no DSL (slower) or fiber optic anytime soon in my area of town) I stream Apple TV, and Amazon Prime and like choices there. Most of stuff on cable is not that good 99% junk shows for empty minds LOL.

 

[639051]

Yet millions of other XS/XS Max have no issue on AT&T.

Could be a defective phone, or a network issue. You might want to have it serviced while it’s still under warranty, if it is a hardware problem.

Chiming in here to agree with this. My device works just fine on Verizon, and I know several with them on AT&T. The low signal reception is awful but in areas where it is not low it works just fine.

 

[MikeTHIS]

Yet millions of other XS/XS Max have no issue on AT&T.

Could be a defective phone, or a network issue. You might want to have it serviced while it’s still under warranty, if it is a hardware problem.

I hear you, not saying it’s a widespread issue at all.

Just frustrating.

Sometimes it will switch to 4g and it’ll never switch back. I don’t have anyone local to compare my experience to, my kid as an XS and his seems to have better service than I do.

 

[jezbd1997]

You realize the issue is not speed data, but phone call quality? If you are on AT&T or T-mobile, you have a Intel chip. That’s when you have a lot of signal issues. It’s not always. They are just terrible in some places.

I’m not in usa. But all the xs models are intel modems too.