iPhone 12 Became the World's Top 5G Smartphone Within Two Weeks of Launch

saronian said:
5G on T-Mobile (in San Francisco Bay Area) is slower then LTE in all the areas I've tested.
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Today's results are mixed in San Francisco

iPhone 12 Pro -

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Too much credit given to 5G. How about the fact that now the regular iPhone 12 sports the same OLED panel as the more expensive Pro? Prior to this, the non Pro iPhone had clear differentiation by using LCD. Now with the same display, people who would’ve gotten the Pro might settle just for the regular 12 for less and still get the same premium display.

And the pent up demand could’ve been attributed to those looking for a new frame design after the 6sssss design.
 
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A new report published today by Counterpoint Research finds that the iPhone 12 became the world's bestselling 5G smartphone in October, in spite of its delayed launch.

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Although the iPhone 12 was only sold for two weeks in October, it was still able to top the rankings. These two weeks' worth of sales allowed the iPhone 12 to become the seventh-bestselling 5G device sold between January and October of 2020.

The iPhone 12 Pro was the second-bestselling 5G smartphone, followed by the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra 5G. Together, the iPhone 12 and 12 Pro captured almost one-fourth of total 5G smartphone sales in October.

Counterpoint credits a number of factors for the explosive success of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro compared to other existing 5G devices. For example, it is believed that there was significant pent-up demand for a 5G upgrade within the iOS user base. The uptick was also caused by strong carrier promotions within the United States, which accounted for over one-third of iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro sales for the month. Compared to most other 5G devices, the iPhone generally has a wider market coverage with availability in over 140 countries.

The iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro have also given a "much-needed" boost to the 5G smartphone market, which achieved its highest ever share of 24 percent in the global smartphone sales in October.

Sales of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro have more than doubled the penetration of mmWave-capable smartphones from five percent in September to 12 percent in October. Counterpoint highlights how this is likely to impact the telecoms industry, and speculates that it may facilitate Apple's future push into other sectors such as augmented reality or virtual reality:



Counterpoint expects demand for the iPhone 12 series to remain strong through the fourth quarter of 2020, particularly during the holiday season. The late launch of the devices is likely to push sales into subsequent months, thereby maintaining the momentum of sales into early 2021.

Article Link: iPhone 12 Became the World's Top 5G Smartphone Within Two Weeks of Launch
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Me actually I never used 5G, when I received my 12 Pro Max I turn 5G off, it wasn’t the reason I bought it.
 
DeepIn2U said:
I think you have that backwards.
user will use the first implementations of the networks.
parts manufacturers, car makers, emergency support orgs and regulations once in law or by laws and other components will lead to self driving cars, traffic lights, emergency vehicle data and rerouting, location of emergency personal within structures (think fire rescue in large building needing to know structure components in real time location of people updates on tank pressures etc on their HUD).
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Who wants the first run of anything? It’s always expensive, full of issues and not that much benefit.

It’s always better to join the wagon after the majority has paid up, and the ecosystem is mature.
 
xxray said:
I truly don’t understand the constant brigade of 5G hate. Why would you want to stick with a technology what will become outdated rather than benefit from faster speeds, better coverage, and lower latency? I understand that 5G is kinda shaky right now, but it’s only the beginning.
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I know it will get there, but at the moment it’s not really any better than LTE (and in some cases it’s actually worse) so why pay to upgrade for worse service?
 
SchrodingersMartian said:
I didn’t expect anything less than for it to be at the top of the list. From the elegant refined new finishes to the best in class display.

Unlike those cheap trinkets made by Samsung.
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First I’d like to point out that I’m actually a very strong Apple supporter, but to mock Samsung phones or any of their hardware in regards to smart phones of that nature, probably shows you have no experience and/or you’re using the overly used ‘bandwagon effect’. They make some excellent hardware on their phones, and if anything, they match Apple in that standard alone with the build quality, especially since they’ve improved greatly since 2014 when they were still using plastic housing. Nonetheless, it’s a bit far-fetched to call anything Samsung manufactures ‘cheap trinkets’, when that’s actually completely opposite.
 
hot-gril said:
Then you can just buy an iPhone when 5G is actually a lot better like promised. By then there will probably be a new gen or two out, and this 12 might not support the new standards.
Also, it's corona time, so those phones aren't getting much use.
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not much user during corona?

Probably a lot more use if mid-band 5G is available as many people would potentially use them as home modems - on T-Mobile USA most likely. North of the USA border not much coverage is available even on our largest provider, Rogers.

When a 'standard' wireless has been created all previous iterations are supported.

TDMA (no GSM)
GSM - a standard
GPRS - supported GSM (Rogers Wireless in Canada had Ericsson do this network and supported TDMA simultaneously, using 2 networks; I know cause I worked and tested this personally). GSM does not support TDMA.
EDGE - still 2.5G but faster data rates, still supported GSM and GPRS
HSPA (HSUPA/HSDPA) - depending on the backbone architecture already used or kept - supported GSM, GPRS, and EDGE. ANY networks like CDMA as part of the backbone [CAN = Telus/Bell, USA Verizon] did NOT support GSM, GPRS, EDGE.
LTE - depending on the backbone architecture already used or kept - supported GSM, GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA.

I don't see anything going different with 5G thus far.

With all networks, the spectrum and bands used always cause a kink into 'compatibility' with devices.
 
Tea-Aholic said:
One thing that has always baffled me is given the perception of how "technologically advanced" America is, we have much faster networks here down under.

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Um ... I don't think that is considered FAST for 5G. Seems like the low mid-band speeds. I don't have 5G or a device, yet, to test a comparison where I live in Canada.

PS: I thought an Australian wouldn't use 'America' to describe the USA. ;) I usually only here USA citizens call USA 'America'.
 
Wait till 5G is rolled out across every country in the world and then do the same check. I doubt very much the top phone will be an Apple one.
 
femike said:
What units are those test results in? Mbps? In Australia in a suburb I'm getting LTE speeds of 171Mbps & 35.5Mbps on iPhone 6S.
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Yes... Mbps.

There is another Australian member a few posts up with some really good speeds also. Must be nice. :)
 
Relentless Power said:
First I’d like to point out that I’m actually a very strong Apple supporter, but to mock Samsung phones or any of their hardware in regards to smart phones of that nature, probably shows you have no experience and/or you’re using the overly used ‘bandwagon effect’. They make some excellent hardware on their phones, and if anything, they match Apple in that standard alone with the build quality, especially since they’ve improved greatly since 2014 when they were still using plastic housing. Nonetheless, it’s a bit far-fetched to call anything Samsung manufactures ‘cheap trinkets’, when that’s actually completely opposite.
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Overall I agree. I don't think Samsung makes junk. However, Apple's approach excels because they take care to integrate the hardware and software vertically. Samsung makes great screens and phones - but they are hampered because they have limited control over Android. I was really hoping that Samsung would fork Android and build a better software stack that could standardize on Samsung's hardware (phones) and reduce update fragmentation and optimize look and performance of applications. Samsung is well positioned and financed to create a competing platform to iOS (Apple). The issue is not their capability but their focus.

That is the difference.
 
4jasontv said:
I can’t take this seriously without discussion of the mini. Best phone of the naughts.
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The "naughts"?

As in the pushed-hard but still unpopular name for the 2000-2009 decade?

It is certainly not going to be the name for this whole millennium.
 
WoodpeckerBaby said:
Who wants the first run of anything? It’s always expensive, full of issues and not that much benefit.

It’s always better to join the wagon after the majority has paid up, and the ecosystem is mature.
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Why is it so many people assume this?

First run of GSM phones - worked perfectly. data speeds of Ericsson phones reached the exact limit of GPRS on both networks/switches created/managed by Ericsson/Nokia here in N.America.

First generation Electric cars - actually were faster than petrol and matched range. The generation of electricity was expensive and holding the charge for storage was difficult. Porsche was one of the first back in 1912, any wonder why today their Taycan Turbo models have consistent 'pulls' for acceleration and Tesla does not? Look for the Audi E-Tron GT to release in 2021 with same capability yet with more practicality. The 1912 model actually had 2 electrical motors per axel and those motors were on the hubs - allowing for better unsprung weight and no issues with turning radius. I suspect this will be a major norm in the next decade for electric motors once weight drops of the motor itself.

Planes - the very first planes did NOT have a combustion engine ... no polution. Odd how the Eletric car movement is now progressing into long efficient non-polution transatlantic flights of electric motors in test planes (testing feasibility for larger scale use and passengers).

Tesla himself created wireless electrical conductivity and passthrough and only THIS decade have we as humans got to understand that and get products using a close similarity to that. His first attempt at a fair killed a cat/monkey (can't recall which) yet the method was NOT flawed, he perfected this in his journals and tested successfully.

NASA sent people to the moon with the power of a damn calculator and back! I'd NOT agree with you THAT first was riddled with bugs! Nor the crew that helped create the safe descent without issues ! Those ladies learned their craft on their OWN!

Ancient Egyptians, Mayans, etc (other civilizations) created structures of worship or living that STILL stand today, despite what over a hundred plus centuries of earthquakes, wind and water erosion, plate techtonic shifts, etc have done to this planet. yet with modern contrustion we STILL cannot have strutures that last more than a couple of centuries.

GSM networks ... they've paved the way to LTE and now 5G as a backbone that still is compatible and still works today. (CDMA and TDMA are long dead as they had no future roadmap).

SO ... there are a LOT of 'first's' that have lived up quite well by today's standards.
 
DeepIn2U said:
not much user during corona?

Probably a lot more use if mid-band 5G is available as many people would potentially use them as home modems - on T-Mobile USA most likely. North of the USA border not much coverage is available even on our largest provider, Rogers.

When a 'standard' wireless has been created all previous iterations are supported.
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All previous, but not all future. That's the issue.

Using a phone as a home modem is tricky for most people. Tethering to a few nearby devices is easy, but if you want it shared like the home ISP is, you need to set up some bridging. By all means, if that's useful to you, go ahead. Otherwise, never any point in buying hardware before you need it.
 
this result is just a byproduct of people upgrading to the 12 to
1) ditch intel for qualcomm
2) better cameras
3) better base storage
4) bigger screen

no one is upgrading to the 12 for the sake of 5g 😂
 
phenste said:
midkay, may I ask where you (very generally) live? Asking from the Northeast, looking to get my phone bill cheaper, T-Mo has the CLEAR leg up in that regard. Their merger with Sprint also has me keeping my eye on them.
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Do a test drive from TMobile. They will send you a hotspot you can use for thirty days or up to 30GB, whichever comes first.

www.t-mobile.com

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DeepIn2U said:
Why is it so many people assume this?

First run of GSM phones - worked perfectly. data speeds of Ericsson phones reached the exact limit of GPRS on both networks/switches created/managed by Ericsson/Nokia here in N.America.

First generation Electric cars - actually were faster than petrol and matched range. The generation of electricity was expensive and holding the charge for storage was difficult. Porsche was one of the first back in 1912, any wonder why today their Taycan Turbo models have consistent 'pulls' for acceleration and Tesla does not? Look for the Audi E-Tron GT to release in 2021 with same capability yet with more practicality. The 1912 model actually had 2 electrical motors per axel and those motors were on the hubs - allowing for better unsprung weight and no issues with turning radius. I suspect this will be a major norm in the next decade for electric motors once weight drops of the motor itself.

Planes - the very first planes did NOT have a combustion engine ... no polution. Odd how the Eletric car movement is now progressing into long efficient non-polution transatlantic flights of electric motors in test planes (testing feasibility for larger scale use and passengers).

Tesla himself created wireless electrical conductivity and passthrough and only THIS decade have we as humans got to understand that and get products using a close similarity to that. His first attempt at a fair killed a cat/monkey (can't recall which) yet the method was NOT flawed, he perfected this in his journals and tested successfully.

NASA sent people to the moon with the power of a damn calculator and back! I'd NOT agree with you THAT first was riddled with bugs! Nor the crew that helped create the safe descent without issues ! Those ladies learned their craft on their OWN!

Ancient Egyptians, Mayans, etc (other civilizations) created structures of worship or living that STILL stand today, despite what over a hundred plus centuries of earthquakes, wind and water erosion, plate techtonic shifts, etc have done to this planet. yet with modern contrustion we STILL cannot have strutures that last more than a couple of centuries.

GSM networks ... they've paved the way to LTE and now 5G as a backbone that still is compatible and still works today. (CDMA and TDMA are long dead as they had no future roadmap).

SO ... there are a LOT of 'first's' that have lived up quite well by today's standards.
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Because they are bad in terms of dollar for service or bang for your buck.
 
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