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You heard lies, or nonsense from people who use their phone more than is healthy. After a day of intermittent use, because I have a job that doesn't require me to use my personal phone, I have 60% battery left as I head home. You definitely get less battery with iPhone 12 mini, but there's a deeper question in whether or not the battery lasts as long as it "should".
Yep, I've also been positively surprised of the battery life. Coming from 6S, I feel that I finally don't need to worry about the battery lasting through the day when if I have to use Google Maps navigation or some other batter draining apps. It's so good that it should be ok even after the capacity will eventually drop.
 
With the same usage pattern, you could have ended the day with over 75% on a 12 Pro Max. Meaning you can go two full days with no charge, meaning half the battery cycle over years, meaning Pro Max battery could last twice as long.

Counting battery health and its replacement cost over time (out of warranty), I'd rather play it safe and go with the biggest iPhone.

Absolutely psychotic comment on your part.

holy moly, bean counting on battery capacity. "You ended the day with battery left over, but if only you had MORE LEFT OVER!"

What a ridiculous conversation.
 
Absolutely psychotic comment on your part.

holy moly, bean counting on battery capacity. "You ended the day with battery left over, but if only you had MORE LEFT OVER!"

What a ridiculous conversation.

There's no such thing as "too much battery". Back in the old days a Nokia would last you a week over a single charge. When it degrades, it's down to 2-3 days and it's still good, when it breaks down completely it's down to a full day and it's still tolerable.

Now when that Mini degrades completely, you'd need 2 maybe 3 full charge in a single day while the Pro Max could've still withstand a full day. That's not bean counting. I don't want to recharge too often because it breaks the battery even faster.

Holy moly why would you yelling at people for wanting MOOOAARRR BATTERY LIFE?
 
We don’t need a iPhone mini. We need an iPad with a legit phone...not just FaceTime. A lot of us just don’t talk on these things as much anymore and slab phones aren’t comfortable for talking anyway. Just use air pods or make it a kick ass speaker phone. And/or optimize HomePod for speaker calls. C’mmon. This isn’t rocket surgery.
 
There's no such thing as "too much battery". Back in the old days a Nokia would last you a week over a single charge. When it degrades, it's down to 2-3 days and it's still good, when it breaks down completely it's down to a full day and it's still tolerable.

Now when that Mini degrades completely, you'd need 2 maybe 3 full charge in a single day while the Pro Max could've still withstand a full day. That's not bean counting. I don't want to recharge too often because it breaks the battery even faster.

Holy moly why would you yelling at people for wanting MOOOAARRR BATTERY LIFE?
The mini are priced to upgrade before battery issues are noticeable.
 
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Who cares? I love my Mini and will probably get the 12s/13 mini when its released too if the upgrades are good enough. I couldn't care less how much money Apple makes or how many they produce...
 
I don’t get why people think the mini should be a lot cheaper, it’s already £100 cheaper but other than screen and battery size it’s the same as a 12. I think people have been brainwashed into thinking physically bigger is better and more expensive but it’s usually harder to make something smaller work well. If they had made it cheaper they would have had to hobble other features otherwise no one would have gone for the then overpriced 12... If Apple had made a less good mini, I’d have not gone for it and gone for the 12 as well.

i personally hope they don’t downgrade the 13 mini.
 
Okay, everyone points out Mini may be a bit overpriced and often compared to SE
What about iPhone 12 being 100 usd more expensive then?
iPhone 12 Mini still belongs among iPhone 12 series
Proclaiming its overpriced, doesnt make sense
Many of you correlated price and size without going further
 
Somewhat sad, but I guess I can appreciate Apple for at least giving it a shot. I have one and I like it a lot compared to the iPhone XS Max I had previously. I have to say the battery life is a bit annoying, but that's really it. Though apparently it's supposed to have the same battery life as the XS Max according to the Apple website so maybe I'm just more aware it since I knew about the low battery life for the 12 Mini.
I think that is the case. It is two hours longer than an iPhone 8, two hours less than an iPhone 12. The battery life is fine.
 
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My wife is definitely not a tech nerd. She needed a new phone and didn’t want a big one. An XR wasn’t even considered. Neither was an 11 when she realised how big it was.

Her choice was between the mini, the 12 and the SE.
But you don’t want to call your own wife „most people”, do you? ;)
anyway, the weak sales numbers speak for themselves.
 
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The base iPad is strategically important for Apple especially with respect to the education market. If I raises the price from $329 to $499 that will be problematic for Apple in a very important & competitive market.
Apple is not new in keeping a separate SKU specifically for the education market (contracts). Remember the eMac? The educational only iMac? Apple can maintain the current basic iPad in that special SKU, and raise the price of the consumer retail lineup.
 
Many people want a smart phone without the bells and whistles at a relatively affordable price. I can afford whatever phone I want whenever I want, but even still, I would hardly care if I had an iPhone without any cameras at all.

The price point of the 12 mini is a joke. Drop the mini, rename the SE line as the mini line
If you don’t care the bells and whistles, why not just get the 2020 SE? Doesn’t make sense if you said you don’t need bells and whistles, yet you want the current 12 mini, which is a flagship hardware and features, to be cheaper.
 
If this is the case, then I think for sure, the iPhone "14" will only come in 3 variants - 14, 14 Pro, 14 Pro Max. Bye bye Mini....it only ever worked with the iPad, it seems....when it comes to touch-enabled iDevices that is...
 
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It also makes sense that the 13 will still come in 4 flavors...it is already too late to change SKUs for this phone which is close to head to EVT and then production in 3 months' time if Apple wants to keep its annual September launch schedule...
 
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If the price was right, this could be the top seller, but no. They just wanted more and got much less. Take that Apple :)
 
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So the ones expected to buy a mini didn't go for bigger phones, they are holding out, otherwise there wouldn't be a 21 million cut. Just like me, I need no new phone while sitting at home.
 
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