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iPhone 12 Pro Rumored to Feature 120Hz ProMotion Display, 3x Camera Zoom, and Improved Face ID
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I hope it also has under-screen Touch ID. Surely, with the world walking around in masks this would be a priority feature?
Max Weinbach is not an unreliable leaker; his track record may not be perfect, but its certainly better than some other individuals.
You are probably one of these who said I will stick with iOS 6 like forever. Good luck with your USB type C smartphone. Because on a smartphon, usb type c is going to have same fate as 3.5mm headphone jack and there is absolutely nothing you or anyone else can do abou it. Apart from moving on.
Not having a 120Hz display on a “Pro” smartphone in 2020 would seem pretty amateur.
If Apple doesn’t have it on the 12 pro models I’d be shocked. Also makes sense as a way to differentiate the rumored all OLED lineup. Regular 12’s 60Hz, pros 120Hz.
My X is starting to feel a bit sluggish lately so this could be an upgrade year and if there isn’t a 120Hz iPhone my eye my wander to that cute little robot.
If Apple doesn’t have it on the 12 pro models I’d be shocked. Also makes sense as a way to differentiate the rumored all OLED lineup. Regular 12’s 60Hz, pros 120Hz.
My X is starting to feel a bit sluggish lately so this could be an upgrade year and if there isn’t a 120Hz iPhone my eye my wander to that cute little robot.
Definitely, I want to be able to count all the hairs in people's nostrils and see boogers or pimples with dual camera postprocessed focus.
I have 120 Hz on my Samsung S20. I never use it because it does drain the battery faster. I can see the difference with the 120 Hz turned on, but it doesn’t impress me enough to feel it’s a must-have feature and certainly not at a cost to battery life. I can appreciate that other people notice and need it. Everyone’s vision is different. My struggles with pwm eye strain taught me just how much the difference can be.
True Tone helps cut down a bit on blue light when I’m reading and that helps a lot with eye strain. But I turn that off when I want to see the real colors of my photos. It can make things look too warm. I think it works more like it should on the LCD displays than on the OLED ones.
The updates for 2020 sound good. But I don’t have 5G service at all. I am super content and pleased with my 11 Pro from the cellular performance to the camera. It’s everything I want and need and nothing I don’t want to pay a premium for. So I’m sitting out this upgrade quite happily.
I’ll spend this year figuring out if I want to shift to the mid-range level next time I upgrade. That level is more affordable but the actual appeal for me is the phones at mid range don’t get loaded down with things I end up regretting paying a premium for. These are things that might sound cool, but then I find I don’t really care about in day to day ownership. I’m not mentioning anything specific, because everyone values different things and I don’t want to come across as denigrating a feature someone else finds essential to their enjoyment of their phone.
At this point, the technology and cameras are amazing. The A14 will be a marked improvement. I am sure it will greatly reduce our needing to find remotes or keychains with the AirTags capabilities. And etc. and etc.
Design = big space where Apple disappoints... in particular in 2020 no notch should ruin the full capacity of the display. I don’t want to look at a notch. At most, a hole punch design in the screen. At best, no notch at all. I don’t care whether it uses FaceID under the screen or TouchID. I don’t care whether it has a pop-up camera for selfies and FaceTime or a smaller screen on the back for FaceTime with the main camera. When I am watching movies or reading, or even just interacting with the display it disappoints me so much to have a notch ruin it. In addition, Apple and all other manufacturers shouldn’t market it as full-screen or even the size of the screen if anything is taking away part of the screen real estate.
Give me a notchless design, or don’t release a new model! It’s that important! Just like the MacBooks all had a worthless user interaction experience with terrible keys, but a great trackpad and first ever retina displays, the notch is the equivalent of the “dreaded keyboards” from 2015-2019 MacBooks. The iPhone needs a real improvement to eliminate the notch. Again, I don’t care what method but right now it’s interfering with the display and interface in an asymmetrical ugly way. It has since the iPhone X. I don’t want to hear people say it’s going to take Apple three more years of a notched design before they can remove the notch. Other manufacturers have done it in ingenious ways, Apple has the cash, and Tim Cook got rid of his top two people that Steve Jobs had prepared to lead after a brief transition of Tim Cook - Scott Forstall and Jon Ive. Tim has stolen the show due to lining his pockets with AAPL stock vesting annual at a rate of approximately $140m annually.
I nominate Tim Cook for President of the USA, and Co-CEOs in Forstall and Ive! Make Apple Great Again. Elect Cook for President of the USA. Everyone will win! I just want a new iPhone without a notch!
Design = big space where Apple disappoints... in particular in 2020 no notch should ruin the full capacity of the display. I don’t want to look at a notch. At most, a hole punch design in the screen. At best, no notch at all. I don’t care whether it uses FaceID under the screen or TouchID. I don’t care whether it has a pop-up camera for selfies and FaceTime or a smaller screen on the back for FaceTime with the main camera. When I am watching movies or reading, or even just interacting with the display it disappoints me so much to have a notch ruin it. In addition, Apple and all other manufacturers shouldn’t market it as full-screen or even the size of the screen if anything is taking away part of the screen real estate.
Give me a notchless design, or don’t release a new model! It’s that important! Just like the MacBooks all had a worthless user interaction experience with terrible keys, but a great trackpad and first ever retina displays, the notch is the equivalent of the “dreaded keyboards” from 2015-2019 MacBooks. The iPhone needs a real improvement to eliminate the notch. Again, I don’t care what method but right now it’s interfering with the display and interface in an asymmetrical ugly way. It has since the iPhone X. I don’t want to hear people say it’s going to take Apple three more years of a notched design before they can remove the notch. Other manufacturers have done it in ingenious ways, Apple has the cash, and Tim Cook got rid of his top two people that Steve Jobs had prepared to lead after a brief transition of Tim Cook - Scott Forstall and Jon Ive. Tim has stolen the show due to lining his pockets with AAPL stock vesting annual at a rate of approximately $140m annually.
I nominate Tim Cook for President of the USA, and Co-CEOs in Forstall and Ive! Make Apple Great Again. Elect Cook for President of the USA. Everyone will win! I just want a new iPhone without a notch!
It was always that way. The iPhone 12 will have 5.4" & 6.1" sizes, the 12 Pro will have 6.1" & 6.7" sizes
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I sure hope so but I though I remember reading it has to approach 200hz for it to not affect PWM sensitive people.
Agree. One of the things that bug me is that when he talks about rumors, he always states them as fact, not speculation. Bad journalism honestly.
I’m not sure I’ve ever disagreed more with a comment on this forum. You would accept a POP-UP CAMERA, a truly hideous and ridiculous compromise that almost every company has abandoned, just so you don’t have to see a tiny notch at the top of your screen? I think you’re in a very small minority there.
Could Apple have a phone without a notch? Absolutely. But it would result in some compromise that I’m certainly not willing to accept, and I’d imagine the vast majority of the user base isn’t either. In-screen fingerprint scanners are slow and fiddly. Face ID is superior to fingerprint scanning anyway. I’m not at all convinced that the “hole punch” is any less intrusive than the notch, especially if it’s going to be smaller this year. Pop-up cameras are so ludicrous I won’t even go into it.
And not that it matters, but Steve was quite vocal about choosing Tim as his replacement. Your claims about Steve wanting Forstall or Ive as CEO are completely unfounded nonsense.
Will putting the 120fps iPhone into “Low Power Mode” restrict it to only 60fps?
During his first tenure at Apple, he was also vocal about choosing John Scully as his replacement and we know how that turned. He got ousted from Apple and the company was six months from bankruptcy when Steve returned.
While I generally agree, note that picture quality isn't only resolution. It's also about low light performance/noise. I always thought that was actually most important for the front camera in terms of video calls. Very often you just don't have a well-lit space available and there's nothing that butchers the quality of a video stream more than noise. Another thing you don't seem to be aware of is that many people have video calls beyond work and I guess most of those are 1:1 calls in which you usually do look at a full-screen or at least large sized video of the other person. Especially since LTE, you actually can stream a fairly high-quality video and you do notice the difference between good/bad cameras, e.g. there is a stark difference between calling someone who uses a MacBook Pro vs. an iPhone. Both streams are very likely less than 720p and both cameras are capable of 720p resolution, yet the MacBook Pro's camera is usually way noisier and just worse quality overall, you can tell, even if it's just a fairly low quality stream (which is a frustrating issue of its own, but alas).
3X optical zoom is just pathetic when the competition is already at 10X optical zoom (Huawei P40 Pro+), and at 100X digital zoom. There's no way Apple can drive up to 100X or even 50X digital zoom with only 3X optical zoom. It's always better to have more powerful zoom, even if the quality might be a bit blurry when you are zoomed in to the max. The option to be able to zoom more is way better than not having the option to zoom in more at all.
Apple really needs to up the zoom on iPhones
Apple really needs to up the zoom on iPhones
Would this even have any effect on "normally" recorded videos? For me, the essential daily difference between 60Hz and 120Hz is the smoothness when scrolling through Safari pages etc.
I‘d like a stable iOS and a two year OS release cycle For all Apple devices.
I‘d like a move to USB-C for iPhones, Trackpads and Keyboards.
I‘d like TouchID 2.0 integrated into the display.
I‘d like to see an iPhone SE3 with only TouchID 2.0 with size and weight of ip7 - INSTANT BUY
But I really don‘t care about the next screen, camera and cpu update ... LAME!!! My iPhone Pro will ne my first iPhone I‘ll keep until the last available iOS update. I just don‘t need a 319hp upgrade for a 300hp car ...
I‘d like a move to USB-C for iPhones, Trackpads and Keyboards.
I‘d like TouchID 2.0 integrated into the display.
I‘d like to see an iPhone SE3 with only TouchID 2.0 with size and weight of ip7 - INSTANT BUY
But I really don‘t care about the next screen, camera and cpu update ... LAME!!! My iPhone Pro will ne my first iPhone I‘ll keep until the last available iOS update. I just don‘t need a 319hp upgrade for a 300hp car ...
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Same here, my Xs is just fine and I don't really care about 5G at the moment.
ProMotion on the iPad is really good, having a similar experience on the iPhone would be great.
As for the camera, I always like improvements. If the put 3x instead of 2x I'd be happy, I take many pictures in 2x because I need to capture something distant and 3X would usually be better
I'd love to have it but this is not something they can do in a few weeks time. The design of an iPhone takes time, if TouchID wasn't already in the works before the pandemic there are little chances we'll see in the 2020 iPhone.
I think they could do something for FaceID in order to allow us to unlock the phone even with a mask. It would be less secure maybe, so I'd still require the whole face uncovered for payments, but suppose I'm wearing an Apple Watch and my iPhone is in proximity, the system can infer there are really good chances I am the one unlocking the phone and try to recognise me only by the visible part of my face.
Depends on how you define techies. Most people in IT I know (including myself) always use the cheaper models because it's just not worth it. I also tend to hold on to an iPhone for 3+ years.
On the other hand, I see people all the time who obviously don't know anything about tech but have the latest Pro Max XS Ultra VIP model.
Probably unrelated but also many of my friends who already own a home have older smartphones but practically everyone who pays a rent, has the newest iPhones and iWatches.
Yeah, but that's probably gonna take a good long while (hopefully). And I'm dreading the day that they make the stupid decision of getting rid of that port.
After 30x the zoom looks like crap
Samsung only has what, 4x or 5x? P40 pro has 50x not 100x and after 30x it looks bad on both Samsung and p40 pro
Apple don’t release things until they think it’s ready and worth while. The tech simply isn’t good enough yet to release anything past 30x. Apple has never thrown stuff out there to see what sticks...2022 is when they will have 10x optical