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I had middle/upper management positions in 3 major us financial institutions and I was ordered to cancel my vacations during crunch time. I've also been forced to work mandatory over time numerous times.

Not trying to defend Foxconn or Apple. Simply saying this kind of stuff happens right here in the"good ol" USA.
 
I hope the line '...stays for at least 90 days' is not what the Chinese consider 'longer serving staff' because If that is the case then it shows why companies use China for their manufacturing. Treat the workers like crap and if they leave they know there is an abundance of people who will fill that spot. Not so easy to do in the West, hence why they have to treat workers better because if the worker leaves the company struggles to find decent replacements. Not so in China.

Well, at least when someone shows off their new shinny iphone 12, that person can be rest assured that it was made by a respondant and resourceful workforce that was made to force to work 24hrs a day without any holidays and mandatory overtime. Wont you be so happy that Apple treats it's manufacturing workers so well.

They don't work 24 hours a day.
We're no saints too, we have done the same.
 
It‘s about cancelling, not allowing or disallowing them.
People may have had already planned to visit their families, booked cheaper tickets to afford things etc.
Just because you can do something doesn‘t mean you always should.
I’ve never felt entitled to holidays or vacations that were set in stone. Many workers here get ZERO paid vacation. Of course in some countries, they have six or more weeks of vacation every year.

Must be nice to have those guarantees in your country. Maybe someday we’ll have that here in the US.
 
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I wish Apple would invest more into automation. They already have a robot that can take these phones apart, it should be possible to make machines that can assemble them together. That repetitive and mundane task of assembly is exactly what machines are meant to do. People can instead build and service these machines, that would be far more rewarding work for them.
 
It‘s about cancelling, not allowing or disallowing them.
People may have had already planned to visit their families, booked cheaper tickets to afford things etc.
Just because you can do something doesn‘t mean you always should.

Life sucks. It truly does. My previous Thanksgiving was also destroyed due to a Sql Server upgrade that revealed an bug from several years back that was not fixed by Microsoft.

Sometimes you have to live with the suck.
 
I wish Apple would invest more into automation. They already have a robot that can take these phones apart, it should be possible to make machines that can assemble them together. That repetitive and mundane task of assembly is exactly what machines are meant to do. People can instead build and service these machines, that would be far more rewarding work for them.

They are.

Of course then everyone will whine about how automation has put a million hardworking Chinese out of a job.
 
More like a confusing combination of totalitarianism and state capitalism, where you can't quite tell where state-owned ends and private begins.

Indeed. But of course state-ownership isn't necessarily communist either - rather depends who controls the state. I don't get the impression that the Chinese state truly represents the wishes of the people. Looks more like an oligarchy to me, but I must admit I know very little about it.
 
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I wish Apple would invest more into automation. They already have a robot that can take these phones apart, it should be possible to make machines that can assemble them together. That repetitive and mundane task of assembly is exactly what machines are meant to do. People can instead build and service these machines, that would be far more rewarding work for them.

*Foxconn ;)
 
They are.

Of course then everyone will whine about how automation has put a million hardworking Chinese out of a job.

Clearly not enough.

Apple is an American company and should care about its domestic contributions. Automation would be a way to support jobs at home as opposed to abroad. Let Chinese companies support their own people.

Automation in general will eventually put millions of workers out of work, unless they find another type of trade. And that’s fine, we have to move on as a society and evolve. Leave the menial work to the machines, people have skills better suited in other areas.
 
If Apple supported communism I'd back them, but China aint communist.

Communism - the ideology that killed tens of millions of people in the 20th century and created murderous dictators such as Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot.

Communism brings poverty and and tyranny. Capitalism bringt prosperity and freedom.

Look at Germany after WW2: The capitalist FRG (West Germany) had the Wirtschaftswunder (economic miracle) and freedom, while the communist GDR (East Germany) spied on its people, forced them to stay in the country and shot at them when they tried to escape.

Or look at South Korea vs. North Korea today.
 
The outrage must be coming from the unemployed people here because this sounds a lot like my job in America. Difference is, the incentive for my overtime is keeping my job.

In short, welcome to corporate America. Frankly, welcome to working.
 
See I honestly don't think this sounds unreasonable, and is actually pretty comparable to how things work in the west.

They're working longer shifts and getting bonuses, and sure, they're having to cancel their holiday but the same happens here during crunch time.
 
I can only imagine the slave workers working 12-hour shifts or longer while Apple execs sit comfortably looking out the windows over the garden at Apple Park.
Shocking.
 
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They don't work 24 hours a day.
We're no saints too, we have done the same.

Just because other companies in other countries do it, it does not excuse Apple doing it. As for the 24hrs a day thing, I said the 'workforce', not the individual worker. This implies that the 'workforce' will be required to work in shifts, possibly two shifts of 12hrs which is common place around the world BUT to run a factory 24hrs a day requires the complete workforce to be in attendance. I wonder if Apple has considered convid-19 safety practices for it's manufacturing workforce. I bet it would not be long before production is halted due to a number of workers getting the virus but of course the west wont know because such information will be hidden from the public.
 
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