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There are a lot of us that mainly use the iPhone as a phone too.

I don't really move stuff onto or off of the iPhone via USB-C. I read email, do Notes, Calendar and Reminders but that's all over WiFi. I'd guess that the average person doesn't do a ton of things where they need to transfer 100 GB in a short period of time.

Then you wouldn’t be a pro user. Or should we take the attitude that what you do is what everyone else should be limited to? Where do we stop?
 
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Then you wouldn’t be a pro user.

Absolutely.

I just want a device that gets the job done that I can use for at least five years and that I don't have to worry about. I want something like my toaster oven, microwave or coffee-maker. I would guess that most people are like that because you're so busy living life unless you use the phone professionally. But I think that the percentage of people that do that is small.
 
Absolutely.

I just want a device that gets the job done that I can use for at least five years and that I don't have to worry about. I want something like my toaster oven, microwave or coffee-maker. I would guess that most people are like that because you're so busy living life unless you use the phone professionally. But I think that the percentage of people that do that is small.

And that’s why Apple uses the Pro moniker. Please let me know how you would transfer ProRes and Raw to a computer? With the incredibly slow USB / lightning? You’re clearly not a Pro user yet want to dictate Pro users.
 
As a UX Designer I run both platforms. iPhone 13max pro and just ordered the S22ultra. The iPhone is a clear winner in interface design, notifications, integrations and more. But the there are some exciting new features on android 12 or the ne s22 ultra. Especially around the camera and how the software and AI is cleaning up the 30x and 100x or overall photography.

Doing a lot of street or nature photography on the side I really feel the S20ultra had better night and color value than the iPhone.

I’m sure the open ecosystem is another benefit for most.
Exactly. At the end of the day it's about the quality of the user experience (which includes the ecosystem and reliability - generally very good/excellent for Apple, with some patchy areas). More performance/features may improve the experience, but may be squandered or even degrade the experience (the UI moves too fast, for example). Some people also care more about some specific issues, or make different trades. My own experience with IOS has been much better than my experience with Android. Part of this is because I spend less time helping family with their devices. These are often old devices, but still work fast enough to be usable
 
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They gotta get rid of lighting asap. All this “pro” moniker means nothing with a slow transfer process. USB C is much past due.
I don't know what's worse: the slow USB 2.0 speed or the need to have to use an adapter to plug an USB stick to the iPhone (and the adapter only works if the iPhone is at same time plugged via Lightning cable either to the wall charger or to a non-Magsafe external battery, otherwise you get a warning message "This accessory requires too much power"). That's sad. And let's not talk about plugging the iPhone to an external TV or monitor via HDMI...
 
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And that’s why Apple uses the Pro moniker. Please let me know how you would transfer ProRes and Raw to a computer? With the incredibly slow USB / lightning? You’re clearly not a Pro user yet want to dictate Pro users.

I'm explaining the iPhone market and why Apple uses a Lightning port. It works for most people. If it didn't, then they would change it.
 
Actually no one cares about who is faster or not only the fan boys average users just need to know if a phone can take pictures make a selfie watch a movie or youtube listen to music get on social media and even my old iphone se can still do that as well as my old windows phone that still work
 
And that’s why Apple uses the Pro moniker. Please let me know how you would transfer ProRes and Raw to a computer? With the incredibly slow USB / lightning? You’re clearly not a Pro user yet want to dictate Pro users.
And I agree with both. I, personally, have no need for the "Pro" iPhone. But that's me. I really like my mini, size and it does what I want it to do. I have a very nice Nikon w/a decent assortment of Nikon glass when I want "Pro" imaging ability and a small Leica for walk around camera. I use an iMac for Photoshop and an iPad for other things.
That said, the best camera for imaging is the one you have with you at the time. There have been times where the nearest camera is on the iPhone in my pocket, so I appreciate the quality camera on my Mini.
For macro work, you need a large capture chip whether CCD or CMOS. Optical zooming gets you unacceptable grain and poor pictures.
For macro work, I use a macro lens in my Nikon with a full frame 46 MegaPixel CMOS sensor. No Phone camera of any sort can match it.
Use the proper tools.
If you need/want/can afford the iPhone Pro, by all means, go for it.
 
Okay then why do their iPads use USB C?

Here’s a hint why Apple uses lighting on iPhone $$$$

Maybe people do pro work on iPads. I don't really know the space.

Switching the iPhone to USB-C would annoy the people with probably a billion Lightning cables out there as they would be obsolete for their new stuff.

No problem with Apple making money - that's their job.
 
Maybe people do pro work on iPads. I don't really know the space.

Switching the iPhone to USB-C would annoy the people with probably a billion Lightning cables out there as they would be obsolete for their new stuff.

No problem with Apple making money - that's their job.

Which means it’s led by marketing and accountants; the anti Steve Jobs approach who railed against this. But yanno keep defending your friend.
 
And I agree with both. I, personally, have no need for the "Pro" iPhone. But that's me. I really like my mini, size and it does what I want it to do. I have a very nice Nikon w/a decent assortment of Nikon glass when I want "Pro" imaging ability and a small Leica for walk around camera. I use an iMac for Photoshop and an iPad for other things.
That said, the best camera for imaging is the one you have with you at the time. There have been times where the nearest camera is on the iPhone in my pocket, so I appreciate the quality camera on my Mini.
For macro work, you need a large capture chip whether CCD or CMOS. Optical zooming gets you unacceptable grain and poor pictures.
For macro work, I use a macro lens in my Nikon with a full frame 46 MegaPixel CMOS sensor. No Phone camera of any sort can match it.
Use the proper tools.
If you need/want/can afford the iPhone Pro, by all means, go for it.
Totally agree, and the funniest thing is, people that keep paying >$1300 yearly, often - if not mainly, because of camera upgrades. Instead of slashing >$1000 for a decent camera once.
 
Which means it’s led by marketing and accountants; the anti Steve Jobs approach who railed against this. But yanno keep defending your friend.

Apple added back the ports to the Mac that a lot of people were screaming for. If there were more people screaming for USB-C on iPhones, then we'd have it. Apple sells a crapload of iPhones with Lightning and there are lots of phones out there with USB-C. If you want USB-C, you're going to have to convince far more people that it's necessary.

Because, objectively, it isn't.
 
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Which means it’s led by marketing and accountants; the anti Steve Jobs approach who railed against this. But yanno keep defending your friend.
I don’t care who leads the charge to keep lightning on iPhones. Usb-c isn’t useful to me at all on iPhones. And while I can’t control the future (much less the present) technically I’m happy about the continuation of lightning on iPhones.
 
Yes, but even with the 13pro maxs additional core (5) on it's GPU, it still lags behind the cheaper 22+ in the GFXBench 5 onscreen score test. I would think this would be the most practical measurement for playing games on all these devices. Is there anything other than games that one would notice a difference with on all of these blazingly fast phones?
 
I don’t care who leads the charge to keep lightning on iPhones. Usb-c isn’t useful to me at all on iPhones. And while I can’t control the future (much less the present) technically I’m happy about the continuation of lightning on iPhones.
I'm good with lighting. I have lighting cables everywhere. Hell, I hope they never change lighting and I hope they never go completely port-less.
 
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I find this Ad crap.
I used to like the old Apple Ads, they simply showed real usage scenarios and its features, instead of unrealistic sci-fi crap.


Sadly Apple started to create unrealistic crappy Ads, too.

Common sense did not translate to 235.7 million units shipped worldwide.
 
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Does anyone in the real world ever say "my phone is not fast enough!"

The main reason for upgrading to the iPhone 13 mini from the iPhone 7+ for me was that I wanted a small and light phone for running. The performance on the 7+ was actually fine. I'm glad I bought it as it looks like there may not be a small phone option for a while. It reminds me of the iPhone 5 in that I can use it one-handed.
 
Superior chip design + tight integration + control over the whole hardware and software stack is the reason why Apple keep their lead.

Samsung will never be in this position cause they do not control the OS, and still rely on Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset for the processor.
Samsung actually has a lot of control and influence over Android. AOSP is just an empty shell that Samsung adapts how they see fit. A lot of the things Samsung changes and improves make their way into future Android releases. For example the color picker Samsung integrated into their A12 version will be part of Android 13. Also another example is Samsung's implementations of virtual RAM which is surprisingly effective and I believe it's the main reason the new Ultra Galaxy smarphone has less RAM than previous generation. I think it's possible this feature will also make it's way into Android 13 or 14. So Samsung doesn't have it's hands tied up and can't optimize and change anything about how Android runs on their smarphones.

Also Qualcomm actually takes a lot of inputs from Android smartphone OEMs, their SOCs are not developed in a way on which it ignores the needs of the OS and the smartphone companies using their chips. This constant insistence that Android OS is not integrated and optimized for the chips it runs on is just nonsense and I have never seen anybody justify these claims in any technical way, just asumtions and more asumtions, nothing else.
 
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Also Qualcomm actually takes a lot of inputs from Android smartphone OEMs,
citation?
their SOCs are not developed in a way on which it ignores the needs of the OS and the smartphone companies using their chips.
Citation?
This constant insistence that Android OS is not integrated and optimized for the chips it runs on is just nonsense and I have never seen anybody justify these claims in any technical way, just asumtions and more asumtions, nothing else.
It’s not proved nor disproved.
 
But the os is where Samsung will continually fall into a lack lustre experience. The amount of duplicate apps for the same tasks the os ships with is has always been its major issue. Lets see in a few short weeks/months is a must to restart.

Actually that's not true. You can uninstall all Google apps besides: Chrome, Youtube and Gmail from Samsung smarphones. I tested it on OneUI 4 recently, so there are hardly any duplicate apps.
The OS experience on Samsung smarphones is definitely not lack lustre and it's hard to see any real major advantage iOS would have in this department.
 
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citation?

Citation?

It’s not proved nor disproved.

You again. What, you though I can't provide proof for common sense?

Here


You are welcome.
 
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Actually that's not true. You can uninstall all Google apps besides: Chrome, Youtube and Gmail from Samsung smarphones. I tested it on OneUI 4 recently, so there are hardly any duplicate apps.
The OS experience on Samsung smarphones is definitely not lack lustre and it's hard to see any real major advantage iOS would have in this department.
I would definitely pay close attention to a Samsung phone with my next purchase if they made one sized like the 13Mini.
 
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