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Experienced display analyst Ross Young has today shared a range of information from Mizuho Securities about the "iPhone 13," rumored to succeed the upcoming iPhone 12 lineup, and the third-generation iPhone SE.

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The projected iPhone 13 lineup looks very similar to the expected iPhone 12 lineup, encompassing one 6.7-inch "Pro Max" model, one 6.1-inch "Pro" model, one 6.1-inch non-Pro model, and one 5.4-inch "mini" model. It follows therefore that the devices will not see significant changes to design or form-factor.

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All iPhone 13 models are speculated to have integrated touch technology, and Chinese firm BOE Technology will join LG Display in producing displays for the 6.1-inch iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 Pro. Samsung is believed to supply Apple with Y-Octa technology for all iPhone 13 displays.

Young says that the "most important development" on the iPhone 13 Pro models will be the adoption of 120Hz-capable ProMotion displays with variable refresh rates, accommodated by the adoption of LTPO display technology. After a range of mixed reports, rumors now seem to be largely in agreement that 120Hz displays will not come to the iPhone until 2021.



The iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 mini will reportedly gain the same camera sensors as the iPhone 12 Pro Max, while the sensor size of both Pro models will increase. This means that there will be significant camera improvements on all models.

While Young expects both iPhone 13 Pro models to have a LiDAR Scanner on the rear, it is unknown whether the feature will come to the non-Pro models. For the iPhone 12, rumors have not been clear on whether LiDAR will come to all Pro-models or just the 6.7-inch iPhone 12 Pro Max.

All iPhone 13 models may get sub-6GHz 5G connectivity, but the Pro models will also have faster mmWave 5G in addition to the slower but more widespread connection. This year, the iPhone 12 Pro Max is the only model rumored to offer mmWave 5G.

With LiDAR and mmWave on both iPhone 13 Pro models, it seems that if the iPhone 12 lineup reserves these high-end features for the Pro Max model only, 2021 will see a leveling-up of features among the Pro models.

There will also apparently not be a third-generation iPhone SE until Spring 2022. The third-generation iPhone SE is expected to have a 6.1-inch LCD display, Touch ID, sub-6GHz 5G, and the same dual cameras as the iPhone 11. This suggests it will mirror the design of 2019's iPhone 11, just as previous iPhone SE models have repeated the design of an older device with upgraded internals, and presumably have Touch ID integrated into the lock button like the iPad Air 4.

Article Link: iPhone 13 Lineup Rumored to Feature 120Hz ProMotion Displays, No iPhone SE 3 Until 2022
 
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Anything solid that the next phone released will be given the 12 moniker, or will it follow the X, with release of the XS, thus looking at the 11RS, 11S, and 11SPro this cycle?
 
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Jony Ive and Co.

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If this is true, Apple has truly lost their vision and seriously isn't innovating anymore.

If the iPhone 13 has the same design, then the iPhone design will basically not have changed since X, which means 4 years of the same old design for flagship products (iPhone 6-8 had same design, but iPhone 8 was not a flagship). WTF. Why can't Apple go back to 2-year design cycles?!?!?!?

And if a 2022 new iPhone has Touch ID, that will mean that Apple is using the same biometric tech for 9 YEARS. 9 YEARS. I'm sure if Steve Jobs was still here, Touch ID would have been vintage and the entire lineup would have long moved on to Face ID. For Face ID critics and naysayers, Steve Jobs would have fixed all the current Face ID flaws (like doesn't work flat on tables, doesn't work with masks etc) and made it leaps better.

Apple is just stagnating so badly now. But the sad truth is that Steve Jobs made Apple so far ahead that there's simply no competition and no alternatives now.
 
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iFan

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I’m sorry but what even is this? The 12 isn’t even out yet.
I wish I could get paid to throw ideas and educated guesses out there. Maybe someday and I’ll call myself an analyst.

There are people out there who throw random guesses at the wall, but theses sort of reports are different. Apple is busy locking down suppliers right now for iPhone 13, so the supply chain is busy rumoring about next year as a result.
 
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iFan

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If this is true, Apple has truly lost their vision and seriously isn't innovating anymore.

If the iPhone 13 has the same design, then the iPhone design will basically not have changed since X, which means 4 years of the same old design for flagship products (iPhone 6-8 had same design, but iPhone 8 was not a flagship). WTF. Why can't Apple go back to 2-year design cycles?!?!?!?

And if a 2022 new iPhone has Touch ID, that will mean that Apple is using the same biometric tech for 9 YEARS. 9 YEARS. I'm sure if Steve Jobs was still here, Touch ID would have been vintage and the entire lineup would have long moved on to Face ID. For Face ID critics and naysayers, Steve Jobs would have fixed all the current Face ID flaws (like doesn't work flat on tables, doesn't work with masks etc) and made it leaps better.

Apple is just stagnating so badly now. But the sad truth is that Steve Jobs made Apple so far ahead that there's simply no competition and no alternatives now.

What are you talking about? The iPhone 12 is a redesign. Different sizes AND different case industrial design. What do you want them to do to make it different, make it a circle?

Oh wait, this is a troll account - sorry, carry on!
 
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What makes the fingerprint sensor still attractive for the SE3 and not standardize it with the face ID?

If anything, I wish the iPhone 12 would already combine FaceID AND TouchID on the side button, especially in the times of COVID-19 it could be pushed as almost a sales argument offering more convenience.

Also I personally would not mind an "LTE-only" version if it means saving like 100 bucks. I do not have need for 5G whatsoever. The only use case for me would be streaming but thanks to insane data caps on mobile data here, I wouldn't dare to stream without wifi anyway.
 
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i'm the mac daddy

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If this is true, Apple has truly lost their vision and seriously isn't innovating anymore.

If the iPhone 13 has the same design, then the iPhone design will basically not have changed since X, which means 4 years of the same old design for flagship products (iPhone 6-8 had same design, but iPhone 8 was not a flagship). WTF. Why can't Apple go back to 2-year design cycles?!?!?!?

And if a 2022 new iPhone has Touch ID, that will mean that Apple is using the same biometric tech for 9 YEARS. 9 YEARS. I'm sure if Steve Jobs was still here, Touch ID would have been vintage and the entire lineup would have long moved on to Face ID. For Face ID critics and naysayers, Steve Jobs would have fixed all the current Face ID flaws (like doesn't work flat on tables, doesn't work with masks etc) and made it leaps better.

Apple is just stagnating so badly now. But the sad truth is that Steve Jobs made Apple so far ahead that there's simply no competition and no alternatives now.

It's one of three things:
1. There is not much more they can do with the iPhone (probably not true if you look at competitors, although improvements are slowing)
2. They'll do the minimum to maximize profits
3. They're not spending much time and money on their cash cow

It might be a combination of all three. I think of mobile phones as cars. Not much changes year to year, or even 5 years to 5 years. Sure improvements are made, but the idea of needing to get the new iPhone each year is long gone.
 
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Sasparilla

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Rev 2 of Apple's 5G, that sounds good to me and the physical designs sound good too (continuing to give folks who want a smaller phone the option). Passing on the 12 but will probably go for the 13.

LOL at the comments talking about the 13 and Apple is in a bad place cause the physical design didn't change from the 12 to the 13....yeah Apple's doomed.

What makes the fingerprint sensor still attractive for the SE3 and not standardize it with the face ID?

Because the components for fingerprint are significantly cheaper (far fewer of them) than Face ID and the SE is all about low cost.
 
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You know what this means ?

Probably that the Telephoto Camera is getting an Upgrade in the two "Pro" iPhone 12 models !

Can you say 78mm Periscope ???
Lol periscope is not coming for another two years...

The 3rd gen fold 3 will have periscope but iPhone will
 
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RickDEGH

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If this is true, Apple has truly lost their vision and seriously isn't innovating anymore.

If the iPhone 13 has the same design, then the iPhone design will basically not have changed since X, which means 4 years of the same old design for flagship products (iPhone 6-8 had same design, but iPhone 8 was not a flagship). WTF. Why can't Apple go back to 2-year design cycles?!?!?!?

And if a 2022 new iPhone has Touch ID, that will mean that Apple is using the same biometric tech for 9 YEARS. 9 YEARS. I'm sure if Steve Jobs was still here, Touch ID would have been vintage and the entire lineup would have long moved on to Face ID. For Face ID critics and naysayers, Steve Jobs would have fixed all the current Face ID flaws (like doesn't work flat on tables, doesn't work with masks etc) and made it leaps better.

Apple is just stagnating so badly now. But the sad truth is that Steve Jobs made Apple so far ahead that there's simply no competition and no alternatives now.

What is wrong with the design and Touch ID? There are a lot of reasons why I’d always go for iPhones, and one is consistency - in design, functions, and features. The design of iPhones is very matured. I don’t complain because a car’s design generation lasts a decade, so why should I about a phone? A phone! which is mostly thrown in a case, pocket or bag. Jeez
 
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