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iPhone 13 Models Feature 20% Smaller Notch That's Just a Tiny Bit Taller

rukia said:
This is why there will be increased segmentation between to pro and non-pro lines. The camera module has a substantial improvement in ISO performance, optics for better tele, OIS, better pixel well capacity and hence dynamic range, ProRes, and improved computational photo/video capabilities. On a camera module severely constrained by size this required a significant amount of engineering effort. Unfortunately this is lost on the mass market who will be fixated the notch size and color choices. It's not criticism but just the reality of consumer behavior in a market that's reaching maturity where external cosmetics is what people notice and discuss. We saw the same thing with Apple launched the M1 which changed the game but forum discussions were fixated on the MBA bezel size. When the whining dies down people eventually appreciate all day battery life and top notch performance in a finless chassis.
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They could put some of that engineering effort to invent 3.5mm port
 
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Bawstun said:
It is an abomination that they’ve kept this aesthetic disgrace for as many years as they have. Another year I am forced to stick to the SE device.

I simply won’t purchase any iPhone with a notch. It is bad design that shouldn’t have ever gone rewarded.
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I completely agree. I upgraded to the 11 only because of poor battery life of my 7, but man, I hate the 11 so much.
 
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The original notch bugged me. But in use I barely notice it as most content I am viewing is within an 80% middle of the screen. A pin hole could leave white/light area above the hole meaning the hole stands out more than the current notch that blends into the black/dark edges. *I use dark mode so that could be helpful to my eyes*

also, perhaps Apple decided against showing the battery percentage all the time as they think the battery will last a consumer all day, and if you are constantly checking the percentage either the battery sucks or you aren’t enjoying using the device.

sonce it got slightly smaller and his year I doubt we’d see it gone next year. Maybe we wait another 4 years.
 
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elptdbi3lYI said:
They could put some of that engineering effort to invent 3.5mm port
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Yes. No doubt it would be "the thinnest 3.5mm port we have ever created"... /s (sorry, couldn't resist - though actually couldn't believe how thin a touch was way back when it was barely thicker than the headphone port)

On a more serious note, bluetooth has pretty much taken over that now (and the quality is way better than it was 10 years ago - I have various pairs of Sony headphones; no more tangled chords when you get off a packed train and some's buttoned shirt clings for dear life to your headphone chord.)

That said, I still prefer my wired headphones on my DAC connected to my Mac via USB. Some mobile phones have been produced with better DACs than others, but it's not something I have ever seen 'benchmarked'.
 
BJMRamage said:
The original notch bugged me. But in use I barely notice it as most content I am viewing is within an 80% middle of the screen. A pin hole could leave white/light area above the hole meaning the hole stands out more than the current notch that blends into the black/dark edges. *I use dark mode so that could be helpful to my eyes*

also, perhaps Apple decided against showing the battery percentage all the time as they think the battery will last a consumer all day, and if you are constantly checking the percentage either the battery sucks or you aren’t enjoying using the device.

sonce it got slightly smaller and his year I doubt we’d see it gone next year. Maybe we wait another 4 years.
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Or, they decided that showing the same image on an OLED display would result in burn in? Don't know. Just a thought. (my xs is doing fine, OLED is much better than it was, but still makes me wonder).
 
Bawstun said:
You are sacrificing intelligent interface design for the notch. Because it is poor design. Also while reading, scrolling, using apps, watching video. All of it forces concessions onto an otherwise enjoyable experience, because it is poor design. The way some users here defend the notch is really quite baffling and I equate it to Stockholm syndrome or some type of brainwashing effect.
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This. The notch should be considered, at most, a compromise in order house the required electronics for Face ID. But it’s just bad and this iconic design has dated badly. iPads with Face ID don’t have this notch which is testament to its silliness. Who would chose a notch (regardless of how imperceptible it is during viewing) over a completely unobstructed screen?

Since the iPhone X, the device has undergone some interesting design iteration in terms of the chassis sides, its back and camera layout (and the OLED screen is gorgeous), but tweaking the current notch dimensions is indicative that Apple is desperate to be rid of it too.
 
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Bawstun said:
It is an abomination that they’ve kept this aesthetic disgrace for as many years as they have. Another year I am forced to stick to the SE device.

I simply won’t purchase any iPhone with a notch. It is bad design that shouldn’t have ever gone rewarded.
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What’s more important, no notch or zero bezels. You’ve voted with your wallet against the notch so maybe that answers my question. All this heartburn yearning for zero bezels is way more whack than the notch.
 
dba415 said:
Says something when apple is embarrassed by their own ancient phone design. The pixel 6 will destroy this. Google has a golden opportunity
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Are you sure about that? I'm certainly not. Yikes.

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Daum said:
Reminds me of the pixel 2 bathtub notch. HahHha
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I think you meant pixel 3.

i’ve seen this comment a few times on this thread to take a cheap shot at Apple’s design, which is better aesthetically. It’s nothing like that bathtub.
 
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DeepIn2U said:
the majority of content you or anyone looks at on a phone, or on the TV or the Movie theatres is dead centre.
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True.

DeepIn2U said:
movies almost always focus on the central part of the screen while our peripheral vision picks up the sides. More evident with this new focus in film that Apple is featured on the pro models. Action films may for a quick moment show you something too or sides of the frames for a quick moment but your eyes see it as a blur. Sci-Fi or space movies like “Passengers” “Star Wars” or “Star Trek” even “Alien” shows you up to 5mins tops for a sense of depth but the moving object of focus always always goes .
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Yep.

But I don't watch movies at all on my iPhone.

DeepIn2U said:
as you’re reading these forums or thread I’ll bet on ANY phone or tablet you’re NOT looking at the top of the phone UNTIl you select the bell or want to jumó to the top of the page or on the main macrumors site for news posts or any website to enter a direct URL or a web search/crawl.
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I don't read forums on my iphone.

DeepIn2U said:
oh and game controls your thumbs are over the screen so you can’t see what’s there anyway - notch doesn’t come into affect there.
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That's one thing I do, do, light gaming, but I have my iPhone in portrait mode (always locked), so the notch is at the top of the screen, so I pretty much see it all the time, and it makes finger presses kind of hard on the top.

I do texting, phone calls, and email is pretty much the rest I do. I have some support tools for work, but hopefully I don't need them often, and I usually don't.

If I could change a setting to shrink the screen down to just below the notch, I'd change it in a heartbeat. (basically just make a bigger bezel at the top.) I'd give up screen real estate to get rid of it!

So yes, there are things I don't do on my iphone because it has a notch. Gaming is better on my android phone because the top is in play, but watch movies, not likely there either, the hole would bug me in that case.
 
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Denzo said:
Personally, I find android too intrusive. I would prefer iOS even if I had to use half the screen!
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It's gotten a lot better in the last few years. I hated it too before, but now it's pretty good and I don't miss anything in iOS 14. It even has more networking capabilities than an iPhone. (and networking is a lot faster, the iPhone was a dog being a hotspot, but Android does MUCH better.) Not to mention VPN's and such...
 
bobcomer said:
True.


Yep.

But I don't watch movies at all on my iPhone.


I don't read forums on my iphone.


That's one thing I do, do, light gaming, but I have my iPhone in portrait mode (always locked), so the notch is at the top of the screen, so I pretty much see it all the time, and it makes finger presses kind of hard on the top.

I do texting, phone calls, and email is pretty much the rest I do. I have some support tools for work, but hopefully I don't need them often, and I usually don't.

If I could change a setting to shrink the screen down to just below the notch, I'd change it in a heartbeat. (basically just make a bigger bezel at the top.) I'd give up screen real estate to get rid of it!

So yes, there are things I don't do on my iphone because it has a notch. Gaming is better on my android phone because the top is in play, but watch movies, not likely there either, the hole would bug me in that case.
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Best debate against the notch I’ve seen yet!
does swiping on the bottom Touch Bar help for 1 moment instances?

looks like with resourced under display FaceID true depth camera next year will be an option for you.
 
Any cheap Android device has a tiny camera on the front, while iPhones will enter 2022 with a large notch that has been around since 2017, only a bit smaller. And all that is to accommodate FaceID, which is far less convenient than the TouchID previous iPhones had. Apple should just put TouchID in the side buttons like it did with the iPad Air, and which is a far better solution, but it seems to be not premium enough to use on the iPhone...
 
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unobtainium said:
A camera hole? I feel like that would bother me way more than the notch.
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Just FYI, the notch is a giant camera hole so why would it bother you for it to be smaller? It frees up more screen area which is what we want. Screens are to look at, notches aren't. That's why I bought a Pixel 4a when my iPhone X died. I was ready for something different and modern. I certainly wasn't going to buy an SE. It's my first Android phone and I'm loving it. Android is way smoother than iOS now.
 
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HaywireTX said:
Just FYI, the notch is a giant camera hole so why would it bother you for it to be smaller? It frees up more screen area which is what we want. Screens are to look at, notches aren't. That's why I bought a Pixel 4a when my iPhone X died. I was ready for something different and modern. I certainly wasn't going to buy an SE. It's my first Android phone and I'm loving it. Android is way smoother than iOS now.
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Something about a hole surrounded by screen bothers me more than a little lump in the bezel. Just personal preference I guess.
 
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