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If you want to have a laugh, go back in the forums to the previous iPhone releases. Amazing how every year the same people go nuts for the latest processor and merely 365 days later mock it as a “yesteryear outdated and slow chip, only go nuts again for the next one.

I swapped my 13 with my kid and used their Xs for a couple of weeks before getting the 14 plus.

Keeps up just fine for what iOS throws at it. The only problem was the battery life, which obviously gets worse.

Y’all so focussed on feeling like you need the absolute fastest chip, because candy crush takes an extra second to load 😂
Find a single example of this. I can wait.
 
I dont care what people do, but this phone purchase makes no sense unless you really are on a budget. And if someone is on a budget they should probably pass on this phone lol (but maybe that’s why they are on a budget - ie: bad decisions)
Someone does not have to be on a budget to choose the Plus over the Max; it can have to do with what they want to spend on the phone and someone may not want the 20% price jump.
 
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No, if you travel by car, that's a big chunk of your time it's not in your hands or weighing down your pockets.
I drive, but I take my dogs for an hour walk every morning and half hour before dinner. I’m also out and about most weekends. The phone is often in my hand as I take a lot of photos. It’s just simply not heavy.

Again, if you find a PHONE so heavy that it’s just exhausting to hold and carry, you might want to take a look at your overall fitness.
 
I drive, but I take my dogs for an hour walk every morning and half hour before dinner. I’m also out and about most weekends. The phone is often in my hand as I take a lot of photos. It’s just simply not heavy.

Again, if you find a PHONE so heavy that it’s just exhausting to hold and carry, you might want to take a look at your overall fitness.
what a weird comment... some people like me have arthritis, im super fit and 6-4"
 
Isn’t the rumor that the next SE will be based on the X-RAY/11?
Apple are pushing Face ID as much as possible and a number of people are resisting it, and all the extra gestures needed to supplant the Touch ID and Home Button.
 
While you could be right, I personally doubt Apple will be going this route any time soon.

I've been saying for quite some time now that there has been pent up demand for a large non-Pro iPhone, and the 14 Plus is it. In contrast, the SE line is the uber cheap line (by Apple standards), targeting a different demographic. It's to get people in the door, but I'm not convinced Apple wants to shift even more major sales numbers into that price tier.

Moving the big phone into Apple's mid-priced tier is a big enough shift as it is (and actually one of the biggest shifts in recent iPhone history), and they will stick with that for at least several years.
Not everyone lives in the USA or another well-to-do country.

A phone shouldn't be a status symbol any more than a car should. People shouldn't feel compelled to give up food to buy a phone but people do such things.
 
Not everyone lives in the USA or another well-to-do country.

A phone shouldn't be a status symbol any more than a car should. People shouldn't feel compelled to give up food to buy a phone but people do such things.
Shouldn’t happen doesn’t mean that is what will happen. Apple historically hasn’t chased the low end and I don’t expect that to change anytime soon. At most they throw the low end market a bone with a single basic model, but don’t flesh out the model range in that tier.
 
Shouldn’t happen doesn’t mean that is what will happen. Apple historically hasn’t chased the low end and I don’t expect that to change anytime soon. At most they throw the low end market a bone with a single basic model, but don’t flesh out the model range in that tier.
As cheap money evaporates, everyone might have to rethink their strategy. People will have less ability to take on debt/payments/expensive phone plans. Of course, there's always the chance of a fed pivot in which case we might go right back to free money.
 
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I drive, but I take my dogs for an hour walk every morning and half hour before dinner. I’m also out and about most weekends. The phone is often in my hand as I take a lot of photos. It’s just simply not heavy.

Again, if you find a PHONE so heavy that it’s just exhausting to hold and carry, you might want to take a look at your overall fitness.
I am positive I am in far better shape than you.
 
I dont care what people do, but this phone purchase makes no sense unless you really are on a budget. And if someone is on a budget they should probably pass on this phone lol (but maybe that’s why they are on a budget - ie: bad decisions)
Some people want a bigger phone without having to give up their first born to get it.

Some people dont want the extra weight the PM has.

Some people dont have the extra money for the PM.

Some people just dont want the PM.

Some people are coming from older phones (i.e. 6 Plus, 6S Plus, 7 Plus)

Shall I keep going?
 
I dont care what people do, but this phone purchase makes no sense unless you really are on a budget. And if someone is on a budget they should probably pass on this phone lol (but maybe that’s why they are on a budget - ie: bad decisions)

On a budget? This phone starts at £949 and is the same price as the 13 Pro was at launch. It’s still £250 cheaper than a 14 Pro Max but if someone wants the larger screen, it’s either this or the 13 Pro Max sub £1k.
 
Some people want a bigger phone without having to give up their first born to get it.

Some people dont want the extra weight the PM has.

Some people dont have the extra money for the PM.

Some people just dont want the PM.

Some people are coming from older phones (i.e. 6 Plus, 6S Plus, 7 Plus)

Shall I keep going?
The 14 Plus is overpriced for what it is at $929 unconnected and the Pro Max is only $170 more USD.

You make it sound like the 14 Plus is cheap. Also just to be fair the 14 Plus excludes the following:
1. ProMotion
2. A15 - worse chip
3. Lesser camera - sensor and optical zoom
4. Lesser screen- less ppi and brightness
5. No AOD
6. Less battery life as measured by Apple
7. Old style notch

I’m sure there are more differences but…

For me ProMotion is super important. The 14 series screens are so choppy. Once you see ProMotion you cannot unsee it.

It’s about a 1.3 ounce weight difference (not pound, but ounce). I still wonder if these weight comments are real?

Like I said people can do what they want, but personally I wouldn’t even get my parents the basic 14 series because it’s so flawed for the price. Now if it was $699 that’s a different discussion altogether.
 
The 14 Plus is overpriced for what it is at $929 unconnected and the Pro Max is only $170 more USD.

You make it sound like the 14 Plus is cheap. Also just to be fair the 14 Plus excludes the following:
1. ProMotion
2. A15 - worse chip
3. Lesser camera - sensor and optical zoom
4. Lesser screen- less ppi and brightness
5. No AOD
6. Less battery life as measured by Apple
7. Old style notch

I’m sure there are more differences but…

For me ProMotion is super important. The 14 series screens are so choppy. Once you see ProMotion you cannot unsee it.

It’s about a 1.3 ounce weight difference (not pound, but ounce). I still wonder if these weight comments are real?

Like I said people can do what they want, but personally I wouldn’t even get my parents the basic 14 series because it’s so flawed for the price. Now if it was $699 that’s a different discussion altogether.
1. Meh. I have ProMotion on my iPad Pro and I'm indifferent to it. And my wife and kids don't even notice the higher refresh.
2. Meh. Even A14 in my iPhone 12 Pro Max is faster than the 2017 iMac Core i5-7600 I'm typing on right now.
3. This is an important feature for some.
4. Most people don't notice the difference for ppi. Brightness may matter outdoors for some.
5. Interesting feature for some, not for others.
6. Apple says the iPhone 14 Plus has the longest battery life of any iPhone ever made. (I suspect they're talking about standby. A surrogate measure may be audio playback, and A14 Plus has longer audio playback than A14 Pro Max.)
7. Dynamic Island is an interesting new feature. Hopefully they fix the bugs soon.

I'd say for >90% of the population, ProMotion 120 Hz on an iPhone is irrelevant.
 
1. Meh. I have ProMotion on my iPad Pro and I'm indifferent to it. And my wife and kids don't even notice the higher refresh.
2. Meh. Even A14 in my iPhone 12 Pro Max is faster than the 2017 iMac Core i5-7600 I'm typing on right now.
3. This is an important feature for some.
4. Most people don't notice the difference for ppi. Brightness may matter outdoors for some.
5. Interesting feature for some, not for others.
6. Apple says the iPhone 14 Plus has the longest battery life of any iPhone ever made. (I suspect they're talking about standby. A surrogate measure may be audio playback, and A14 Plus has longer audio playback than A14 Pro Max.)
7. Dynamic Island is an interesting new feature. Hopefully they fix the bugs soon.

I'd say for >90% of the population, ProMotion 120 Hz on an iPhone is irrelevant.
My point is for only $170USD there are a ton of additional features. The 14 Plus is not cheap, but excludes a lot of new technologies. Now if you don’t value them that’s fine, but there is a significant difference for only $170USD.

Personally ProMotion is a game changer and anything less looks like it’s dropping frames. I was at Best Buy today and looked at the iPad Mini. I thought it was defective because the screen refresh was so choppy.
 
My point is for only $170USD there are a ton of additional features. The 14 Plus is not cheap, but excludes a lot of new technologies. Now if you don’t value them that’s fine, but there is a significant difference for only $170USD.

Personally ProMotion is a game changer and anything less looks like it’s dropping frames. I was at Best Buy today and looked at the iPad Mini. I thought it was defective because the screen refresh was so choppy.
That US$170 is strange. It's supposed to be $200, but for some reason they're charging an extra $30 fee. I think that is a US-specific thing because it's not like that in Canada. I don't think it's like that in Europe either.

Everyone does not live in the U.S. In Canada it's $300 more for the Pro Max, that's if you can even find one.
For the others who may not know, CA$300 is just under US$220.

But perhaps even more importantly, for those on 2 year payment plans through the carrier, it's a CA$300 larger downpayment, meaning instead of for example a $500 downpayment, it's an $800 downpayment. For someone on a budget, that's pretty significant. However, even ignoring this scenario, the Pro Max costs 24% more here than the Plus.

Anyhow, I think for most people it really comes down to the camera and Dynamic Island (and maybe AoD). It's up to them to decide if the CA$300 / US$200 / 300€ cost difference is worth it for those features. For many people, it will be worth it, but for many others, it won't.

The main problem this year is all the currencies are out-of-whack, historically speaking. The pound, the Euro, and the Yen have been decimated. Luckily for us Canadians though, the CA dollar hasn't dropped anywhere near as much.
 
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I’m really excited about the 14 Plus. It’s not about the cost etc. current Pro Max models are just too heavy. The lightness is the killer feature here. It’s about the same weight as the old 8 Plus which is awesome. Great battery life too.
That 1.3 ounce is a massive difference (about the weight of an AA battery or 5 quarters.) Thankfully Apple is catering to people who need to save a little over an ounce of weight and only charging them $929USD for that significant weight advantage.
 
Maybe. But if an iPhone is weighing you down to the point of exhaustion, SOMETHING is wrong.
Why is everyone missing the point, its not that everyone needs a workout LOL... BUT people dont want the weight, especially the Asians - which is why the plus is a big seller there.. Apple is smart, the know the markets outside the US!
 
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