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I didn't return mine, but I do agree. Coming from an iPhone 12 Pro Max, I'm not sure why I paid over 1600 euro's for a phone that really isn't much better. The camera is slightly better but not nearly as much as I had hoped for.

I have always upgraded every 2 years. Apple will have to do a lot better to make me want to upgrade again in 2 years.
I used to be on a two year upgrade cycle since iPhone was introduced. But starting with 2014 iPhone 6 I kept it for 3 years. Then got 2017 iPhone X and kept it for 5 long years. Finally upgraded to a 14 pro and it is indeed a very nice all around upgrade from an iPhone X.

On the flip side though I still have my iPhone X as a second device and it is still surprisingly useable for being over 5 years old. In fact I was so content with it that I largely ignored all the iPhone updates until the 14 came out.

The improvements in smartphones both Apple and Android has slowed and will continue to slow going forward. Especially with Apple, the hardware is so well built and iOS updates have a track record of being supported for well over 5 years for most phones.

Really no need to upgrade every 2-3 years. Most folks could do all right on 4-5 year upgrade cycle. Unless you are using some foldable Android device that will likely not even last 2 years.
 
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It wasn’t perfect. It was better.

I would respectfully choose ‘different’ than ‘better’ in your statement, but I understand your sentiment. In the ‘olden days’ Apple was a small company run by an authoritarian - a brilliant one, but still an authoritarian with the final say on most everything. Jobs threw a lot of ideas and products, some brilliant, some not so much, on the wall and saw what stuck. He was learning too.

A 3 trillion dollar company can’t do that, the supply chain is too large, costly, and complex, not to mention that a few really - let’s be charitable and say ‘odd’ products - can erase hundreds of billions of dollars in company value. I’m not saying that the current state of the company is better than the old state of the company, but I think few would argue that the market, problems, and economics are quite different today.

I could see Apple spinning off a group that would be modeled after the old Apple, willing to do just what the old Apple did, but without crashing a trillion dollars of value if it failed, and the old Apple did have it’s failures and successes. They could even fly the old Apple pirate flag!
 
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I think it’s time for Tim to step down. Apple needs a fresh start with new leadership.

Step down from the company that he led to the be the most valuable company in the world and that Warren Buffet called ‘incredibly well managed’ or something like that? I would heartily disagree, and I am a (very small) shareholder. But I am sure that the Android trolls love the idea.
 
I’m going to say this as a blanket statement and my deep, person opinion: Apple was much more exciting, competent and innovative as a brand under Steve Jobs. I yearn for that Apple of old.

I yearn for a Sun Gold 1969 Harley-Davidson XLCH Sportster, or a red 1963 Jaguar XKE with the straight 6. But I ain’t gonna get either one. More exciting, yes, but that’s because we were young then, not because either of these were very good compared to modern vehicles.
 
I used to be on a two year upgrade cycle since iPhone was introduced. But starting with 2014 iPhone 6 I kept it for 3 years. Then got 2017 iPhone X and kept it for 5 long years. Finally upgraded to a 14 pro and it is indeed a very nice all around upgrade from an iPhone X.

On the flip side though I still have my iPhone X as a second device and it is still surprisingly useable for being over 5 years old. In fact I was so content with it that I largely ignored all the iPhone updates until the 14 came out.

The improvements in smartphones both Apple and Android has slowed and will continue to slow going forward. Especially with Apple, the hardware is so well built and iOS updates have a track record of being supported for well over 5 years for most phones.

Really no need to upgrade every 2-3 years. Most folks could do all right on 4-5 year upgrade cycle. Unless you are using some foldable Android device that will likely not even last 2 years.
Yea I gotta get out of this bad habit of yearly upgrades lol. But my work contract with my carrier sometimes is too good to say no too.

Definitely no need, my mom is still using my old 8 plus just fine, my son has an 11 with zero issues. And here I am on my 14 pro max reading into rumours for the 15 lol
 
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Dynamic Island is a gimmick that will be going the way of 3D Touch and the Slofie. *Maybe* iPhone 16 will retain it, and after that…poof.
Maybe in terms of physically going away, but it seems pretty clear to me that Apple will keep the functionality in place even once they’ve moved to “notchless” devices.

Dynamic Island seems to me like one of those designs from Apple that help make connections to their devices. The animations invoke the same “warmth” in computing that I first experienced when seeing the magnification effect on the dock as a middle schooler. There’s something* there that’s more than the sum of its parts.
 
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I’m going to say this as a blanket statement and my deep, person opinion: Apple was much more exciting, competent and innovative as a brand under Steve Jobs. I yearn for that Apple of old.
The tech world was altogether was a whole lot more exciting back then. Not just with Apple. The mid 90s through about the 2010s saw great leaps and bounds in computers and consumer electronics. New formats like the original ipod, iphone, iPad etc. created entirely new industries.

I remember when it was justifiable to buy a new computer ever 2-3 years or so because processing improvements were literally increasing 4-10 fold plus every 2-3 years. Without massive leaps and bound in performance every few years or entirely new Market maker products there really is no reason to be excited.

It is related to progress and your ontological point in time. I would say the 15th-18th centuries was a lot more exciting than the last couple hundred years. Not much so far as new unknown continents or unknown civilizations discovered since then!!

Mid 20th century saw so much more exciting breakthroughs and inventions than we have seen in the last 20 years as well. Think Television, Medical advancements, Jet age, Man on the moon, the first home computers, the internet!!

Everyone has been getting jaded with technology it’s everywhere and no longer the novelty it used to be. Hmmmm… Autonomous vehicles and VR are things that come to mind for most people that are supposed to the next big thing. Or it could possibly be something completely unexpected. Think back to the early 2000s a few years before the first iPhone introduction. I think most people would have never guessed that the smartphone revolution would be the biggest technological disruptor that the 21st century has seen yet.
 
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How about giving us something with the power of iPhone 8 with a 5d battery life. Courage.

How deep is your pocket?

I have noticed a trend that people who demand oddball iPhones just want a cheap iPhone that works for their basic needs. Which means they are an unprofitable market segment.
 
I’m suspicious of how much of this story is accurate and how much is creative writing, from the ‘failure’ standpoint. It kind of sounds trollish, and face it, Apple is a troll magnet, lol. Remember Dvorak (whatever happened to him?) and FCN who basically got paid by Apple’s competitors to write disparaging articles?

Apple likely tries many things that don’t work and have to be either scrapped or delayed.

Apple has also issued incremental update models of the iPhone, for example, the ‘S’ models. So if this phone had been called the ‘iPhone 13S‘ no one would have batted an eye WRT to the GPU I think. But if it’s called a ‘14’ then maybe certain writers/commentators can sell a piece that would otherwise not get printed.

The iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max are in extremely high demand and have sold extremely well, and I’m sure that Apple’s competitors likely will pay up for some trash talk.

The piece just seems to have that ‘flavor’.

Spot on. There are many reasons to be skeptical of the story.
 
The framing of the issue as "setback" and failure is so sensationalising, not making it clear that part of research and development HAS to involve experimentation (DUH!) and various trials and errors. I wouldn't necessarily call it a "setback" which is too sensational and tries to capture the audience's mind in a particular way. Boo!

Anyone who has done any serious research and development will recognize that testing, development, and various failed approaches is part and parcel of the work.
Exactly. This kind of stuff happens all the time behind the scenes at tech companies. It's part of the development process.
 
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Well, Dynamic Island is a game changer for an iPhone tho. A 48MP camera is great too and A16 Chip is blazing fast.

A good friend has a 14 pro max and she hates the dynamic island. She upgraded from a 12 pro max.

I've tried it, and..eh, whatever. It's not worth an upgrade.
 
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A good friend has a 14 pro max and she hates the dynamic island. It was an upgrade from a 12 pro max.

I've tried it, and..eh, whatever. It's not worth an upgrade.

Dynamic Island is a great Apple description, and Apple does like rather ‘unique’ descriptors for their features.

To me, it’s like the ‘notch’ in many ways, after a few weeks you don’t even notice it, except when it works. In this sense, Dynamic Island is a very Apple-ish thing, it works, it’s subtle, and it is ingenious.

Worth an upgrade? I agree with you and also say no, unless you needed an upgrade anyway. However, there are other features which make the 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max arguably the most popular phone in the world today - if you could get one.
 
Interesting. Maybe this is why the 14 didn't get a chip upgrade. They had to scrap the 14 pro chip upgrade so they gave the 14 pro what was supposed to be the 14's chip upgrade.
I was wondering this. When did the rumours about the 14 keeping the A15 start? That might give a bit more colour to the timelines of this story.
 
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Some of you have never used android and it shows… the current chip is the fastest chip on the market. Really?
 
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