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I'm interested in the Precision dual-frequency GPS (GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, QZSS, and BeiDou) offered in this years pro models. It would be nice to see some real world test to show the accuracy vs. the non dual frequency phones.
Agree.
Another aspect of this that I'm interested in is behavior under adverse conditions. These conditions include both
- urban canyons (lots of high buildings so it's difficult to see satellites on the side, only those directly above)
- wireless carplay conditions (when the phone is in your pocket, and again the satellites are on the side not above, so the signal can't get through your leg)

In both cases, if the GPS system has access to more satellites, then there's a hope that enough are at a good enough angle to give a reasonable accuracy signal.
 
4659 is actually slower than my 13 pro max I get 4793! Performance regression? Have we reached peak iPhone ?
It's a single benchmark run taken under who-knows-what conditions. Let's at least wait till we have a decent pool of results before complaining...
 
They improved most in power efficiency, which I’d actually prefer at this point. Let’s be honest, even an Iphone XS doesn’t feel sluggish. When’s the last time you used an iPhone that did??
The only sluggish thing on iPhones lately is OS Updates Preparing.....................
 
Multi tasking.

Even with 6 GB, the OS runs low on ram at times, and some apps like YouTube, safari, rss readers, etc. end up reloading when you go back to them. So imagine watching a YouTube video, going to gmail, and coming back to YouTube and the app reloads… now you have to go find that video all over again. Same if you were reading something on Instagram or some other app.

8 GB would make for a better experience. I don’t have this problem on my iPad Pro with. 8 GB. Apps rarely reload when you come back to them.
Many of these "forced reload" cases are not because of low RAM, they are because of crappy deliberate app design.
Prime Video (and various other lazy apps) think it's easier to just restart the app than try to figure out what might have changed (rented movies expired, you changed your position in the movie you were watching by watching it on another device, etc).
IMDB (same company) is just as bad with even less of an excuse.

You cannot blame Apple, or low-RAM, for this incompetence.
 
Many of these "forced reload" cases are not because of low RAM, they are because of crappy deliberate app design.
Prime Video (and various other lazy apps) think it's easier to just restart the app than try to figure out what might have changed (rented movies expired, you changed your position in the movie you were watching by watching it on another device, etc).
IMDB (same company) is just as bad with even less of an excuse.

You cannot blame Apple, or low-RAM, for this incompetence.
That's a fair point, but please consider that if the same apps that are reloading on the iPhone don't also reload on the iPad then it's not an app design problem, it's a RAM problem.

Also, there are apps that tell you the amount of free RAM available on iPhones/iPads, and you can clearly see that even with 6 GB RAM, sometimes the iPhone runs very low on free RAM when multiple apps are running in the background... the iPad Pro on the other hand tends to have more free RAM available.

One thing that you have to keep in mind is that as iOS and iPadOS and macOS have aged, successive iterations have tended to have higher base RAM requirements than earlier versions. Compare Monterey to El Capitan. Or iOS 15 to iOS 13 for example.

Thus, 8 GB RAM would be excellent for a pro phone costing north of $1000 USD, and at least 30% more in the EU. Android phones tend to have more RAM. Apple advertises the fact that its processor(s) are years ahead of the competition, but is silent on the fact that it is years behind competition in terms of the amount of RAM offered on iPhones.
 
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iPhone 12 Pro Max scores are 1577 / 3986 - I think a solid upgrade for me with all the other enhancements and upgrades.
Im in the same boat. Maybe the 13 pro max is the move?
I can get the 512 G 13 pro max for free, albeit with a 3 year contract..
So I'd miss out on the camera upgrades, the new mystery notch, 911 sat,not much else?
I think any deal for the iPhone 14 pro max is going to involve trading in my
12 which I think is still worth $800ish.
 
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That's a fair point, but please consider that if the same apps that are reloading on the iPhone don't also reload on the iPad then it's not an app design problem, it's a RAM problem.

Also, there are apps that tell you the amount of free RAM available on iPhones/iPads, and you can clearly see that even with 6 GB RAM, sometimes the iPhone runs very low on free RAM when multiple apps are running in the background... the iPad Pro on the other hand tends to have more free RAM available.

One thing that you have to keep in mind is that as iOS and iPadOS and macOS have aged, successive iterations have tended to have higher base RAM requirements than earlier versions. Compare Monterey to El Capitan. Or iOS 15 to iOS 13 for example.

Thus, 8 GB RAM would be excellent for a pro phone costing north of $1000 USD, and at least 30% more in the EU. Android phones tend to have more RAM. Apple advertises the fact that its processor(s) are years ahead of the competition, but is silent on the fact that it is years behind competition in terms of the amount of RAM offered on iPhones.
They say that the iPhones are more efficient and don't need as much ram,
but I'm not sure that's true. Im very happy with my 12 pro max but
I still think its a dodge that apple doesn't own up to how much ram is in the
Iphone. If they don't talk about it, it looks like its a weakness.
 
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So the price in Denmark is up 350$ tier for tier compared to last year launch price. The satellite phone is not working in EU OR WORLD - and no improvement really - I think this will be the first EVER iPhone I skip :(
Price in Denmark is 1500$ for the iPhone 14 pro.
Is it the EU VAT, import, and other taxes that significantly raise the price relative to the US? Not Apple’s fault?
 
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Is a worthy upgrade for me. Particularly the cameras and the “island” will be especially useful. The 1T storage will also see a lot of use.
Even though not slow, updating from an 11 Pro Max will be nice.
 
I’m more interested in thermals

My 13 Pro Max can get really hot when I try to do anything other than just casual use and I’d like to see Apple focus on that instead, considering we’re already gotten to the point of diminishing returns
 
Love to see a blind test of the latest 3 gens with consumers - to see if in "normal" daily life they can tell any difference. I would bet a 100 they couldn't ....
There are always exceptions. However, if you ever watched Jimmy Kimmel you'll see that if someone like a stranger or in position of authority, or perceived is trustworthy injects an idea into their heads they will likely believe that thought.
 
They say that the iPhones are more efficient and don't need as much ram,
but I'm not sure that's true. Im very happy with my 12 pro max but
I still think its a dodge that apple doesn't own up to how much ram is in the
Iphone. If they don't talk about it, it looks like its a weakness.
Don't get me wrong, I love the iPhone, I love ProMotion, and Apple probably does do RAM management well relative to other mobile OSes, but my experience with the iPad Pro and iPhone Pro Max (8 GB vs 6 GB) shows that the iPhone could use the extra 2 GB. In my humble opinion of course. But Apple makes excellent devices, for sure.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I love the iPhone, I love ProMotion, and Apple probably does do RAM management well relative to other mobile OSes, but my experience with the iPad Pro and iPhone Pro Max (8 GB vs 6 GB) shows that the iPhone could use the extra 2 GB. In my humble opinion of course. But Apple makes excellent devices, for sure.
I agree on both counts! I wonder how much of a difference OS's make too?
 
Well I’m upgrading from an iPhone X so performance is a major improvement
I went from an X to a 13 pro last year and I can tell you that the difference was extremely small for me. Gotta say I even miss the X light weight (compared to the 13 pro)
 
They improved most in power efficiency, which I’d actually prefer at this point. Let’s be honest, even an Iphone XS doesn’t feel sluggish. When’s the last time you used an iPhone that did??
Completely agree. I’ve got an iPhone X I keep as a back up in case I lose my 13PM. It’s fine. Just installed iOS 16 and it’s great.

I like the island thing looks great but will be keen for a iPhone 15 in gold!
 
So the price in Denmark is up 350$ tier for tier compared to last year launch price. The satellite phone is not working in EU OR WORLD - and no improvement really - I think this will be the first EVER iPhone I skip :(
Price in Denmark is 1500$ for the iPhone 14 pro.

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This is what happens when the euro drops, and its almost equal to the dollar. If I had to pay that price here in Greece, I would get it from the States. Luckily, I will get it through my fiance's work, where she doesnt have to pay the tax on it, which here in Greece is 24%. So it will come out to around 1170 or so, which is the same price it would cost in the US, with the sales tax.

Im coming from an 11 Pro Max, at 84% battery. The phone has been great for me, but its time for me to make the upgrade. I can still get roughly 400€ for the phone here on a marketplace, plus I won a PS5 on Twitter a few weeks back, and since I have one already, I sold it, so Im pretty much set for the money haha Unfortunately though, my fiance might want the 11 Pro Max, so I still might have to come out of pocket a lot haha
 
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No, it's an A15 optimized for energy, just like the A15 was an A14 optimized for energy.
Given that many more people complain "I wish my phone had longer battery life" than complain "I wish my phone were faster" this seems like the appropriate optimization...

People are upset about this not because of iPhones exactly but because they assume this means macs don't get faster. But that chain of logic includes an implicit assumption -- that future macs will use the same cores as future iPhones. It's not clear that this is a very good assumption...
Apple is perfectly capable of designing/improving three cores every year (P core, E core, Chinook core [very small ARM64 core used as controller for various hardware, GPU, NPU, etc]). Why can't they expand this to four cores? Obviously IP will be shared across all cores (like it is today) but the highest end cores will be optimized for performance in a way that makes sense for always-powered devices but which does not make sense for battery devices.

Why did Apple upgrade the MBA and cheapest MBP, but not the mac mini to the M2?
Ahh, well, when you understand that, you will understand my point...
Hm. Not sure where you want to go with this. Too many assumptions here.

First, I don't think people are upset at all, I'm certainly not. The only conclusion I draw here is that the pace of SoC "innovation" in mobile space is slowing even more. That's all. And I don't see this as a bad thing for the industry. I can see this as a bad thing for Apple though as this means all high-end mobile SoC will be more and more similar from now on.

Second, I don't think A15 was an "energy optimized A14". It got many architectural updates to improve most key areas. With A16, we don't know yet what those updates really are. But so far, it's possible those are mostly focused on the Display Engine/ISP. CPU/GPU gains would mostly come from the move to 4nm (higher clock speeds) and improved RAM bandwidth. I have no clue about the Neural engine at this point, but I have little hope.
I'll wait for the traditional "deep dive" from Anandtech, but I would not be surprised to see the CPU/GPU cores are *identical* to those of A15.
If A16 really is A15 on 4nm with tweaked memory controller, Display engine and ISP, that would be a first.
Again, not saying this is a bad thing, no one expected to see 25%+ perfs increase every year till the end of time. But no matter what Apple states in its marketing slides, real world/sustained perfs of high end SoC from the competition show they are catching up real quick. I'd even say the SD8+Gen1 is actually just as good as the A15.
A16 being only a marginal upgrade means just this: Apple lost their undisputed SoC supremacy. Not a bad thing for the industry. Just a key advantage lost for Apple.

As for the link with the "M" line of SoC, well, sure, they could afford to design more core variants. But they will do this only if it makes (financial) sense. And given what we just said about Apple being unable to keep their advance in the matter, I don't see how this would be viable. Dealing with 3 designs and tweaking them for their target market makes way more sense. AMD got this right with their latest designs.
As for why the >Mac Mini has no M2 yet.... the answser is likely "marketing"/"timing"
 
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The only sluggish thing on iPhones lately is OS Updates Preparing.....................
My understanding is that this was changed in a recent iOS version (was it 14?) so that more is done while the phone is still running to shorten the time it takes to do the actual update (black screen with progress bar). The result is that the step of preparing the update takes much longer than it used to.
 
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