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Any obvious reasons why they haven't gone the route of just extending the rear camera array across the top? Seems like that would help solve the wobble problem when the phone is screen up on a flat surface, and would also just make for a more symmetrical, cleaner look.
Probably so the three lenses aren’t far away from each other, all equally spaced the same.
 
Right on cue. And that's my cue to bring this statement out yet again:

"If you own last year's iPhone, you are not in Apple's target market for this year's iPhone."
Tell that to some folks upgrading every year. As much as apple ******** about the eco friendliness of products justifying a removal of acessories - which by doing this inadvertantly creates more waste with separate acessory packaging - nothing would cut a footrpint by, you know, just not making a phone every year to please out of touch investors. Just ask yourself, realistically, what does a phone every year actually add to the market or "innovation" besides itterative crap every other year in between the more discerning bigger changes the 2nd year e.g. the 13 being a more polished feature-rich version of the 12 that should have been released anyway. Dropping the 's' moniker did nothing to fool anyone here, besides making it painfully obvious they they try to make it seem more impressive than it is - just how most of what apple include has depreciated years ago and isn't all that new 90% of the time. Being impressed by such little changes each year is a testement to how low expectations are. People need to stop this mentality and fallacy we *need* a phone each year regardless.
 
This really is looking like a skip year for 13 Pro owners.
I cannot believe this has to be said in every single thread.
THE IPHONE IS A MATURE PRODUCT!!!
It’s been around for 15 years.
After a while, just like the Mac, and the iPad, and the Apple Watch, there’s less and less reason to upgrade every year.
There was pretty much no reason to move from the X to the XS unless you really needed that new processor or the max size.
There was really no reason to move from the XS or XR to the 11 Series unless you just really needed the Ultra Wide camera.
There was very little reason to move from the 11 series to the 12 series unless you just really wanted a squared off design and 5G.
There was very little reason to move from the 12 series to the 13 Series unless you just really needed 120hz and pro-res.
There will be very little reason to move from the 13 series to the 14 series unless you just absolutely need the camera improvements.
That’s not who these phones are for, unless you’re a person who upgrades their phone every year no matter what.
Coming from a 13, maybe even coming from a 12, you’re not gonna notice much difference.
Coming from 11, coming from an XS, coming from an X… even if you’re still stuck on the iPhone 7, this phone is going to be a great upgrade.
Just like how upgrading to the 2022 iPad Air from the 2020 version is going to be a tiny upgrade, but moving from an older one will be a nice solid change
 
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Tell that to some folks upgrading every year. As much as apple ******** about the eco friendliness of products justifying a removal of acessories - which by doing this inadvertantly creates more waste with separate acessory packaging - nothing would cut a footrpint by, you know, just not making a phone every year to please out of touch investors. Just ask yourself, realistically, what does a phone every year actually add to the market or "innovation" besides itterative crap every other year in between the more discerning bigger changes the 2nd year e.g. the 13 being a more polished feature-rich version of the 12 that should have been released anyway. Dropping the 's' moniker did nothing to fool anyone here, besides making it painfully obvious they they try to make it seem more impressive than it is - just how most of what apple include has depreciated years ago and isn't all that new 90% of the time. Being impressed by such little changes each year is a testement to how low expectations are. People need to stop this mentality and fallacy we *need* a phone each year regardless.
A new phone every year markets to those who want to buy a phone that year, as in people with 4 year old phones. However, not everyone is on the same three-year or four-year or five-year cycle. People buy every year, just usually different people. For Apple items that sell in high volume every year, competing against items from other companies that also sell in high volume every year, it makes perfect sense to have new models every year.

However, one key point is you SHOULDN'T be impressed by most of the iterative changes every year, vs. the previous year. If you are and are buying every year because of them, you're usually just wasting your money (unless you're a dev or something that needs to develop for the new features and you can write off the cost). The feature updates are cumulative, so it makes more sense to upgrade after longer periods.

So, the statement still holds true. If you have last year's iPhone, you aren't in the target market for this year's iPhone. You're free to buy if you wish and have the extra money to burn, but you aren't the target market.
 
Attention to detail?

Did anyone miss the gaps in these renders around the corners top r/l of the back!!? Have a GOOd look.

If these renders are indicative of what we’ll see in production it’ll not be good with the gaps in seeing.
I shall not abide ANY render that doesn’t use squircles! :) Yes, I know it’s hard to render them, but they should at least try!
 
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You can manually focus iPhones.
Don’t bother, you can tell they were trolling with the remark about the iPhone being “slower”. :) Maybe if it takes a few seconds to look for it first because they’ve forgotten where they put it and they just happen to have the Sony cameras on a tripod and manually focused already!
 


The iPhone 14 Pro could feature significantly rounder corners to match the larger rear camera array, according to Apple graphic renderer Ian Zelbo.

iphone-13-pro-and-14-pro-render-with-background.jpg

Zelbo, who is best known for creating renders of upcoming Apple devices based on leaked information, including the Mac Studio, Studio Display, rumored mixed-reality headset, and more, believes that the iPhone 14 Pro models are likely to feature corners with larger radii. By cross-referencing CAD renders and dimensions, schematics, images of accessory production molds, and additional information, it is clear that the iPhone 14 Pro is repeatedly being depicted with larger corner radii for a more rounded front and rear appearance compared to the iPhone 13 Pro. The iPhone 14 Pro Max, on the other hand, appears to have the virtually same radii as the iPhone 13 Pro Max.

Apple may have been compelled to change the corner radius of the iPhone 14 Pro because of changes to the rear camera array. The iPhone 14 Pro models are expected to feature a larger rear camera array to facilitate a new 48MP camera system with a 57 percent larger sensor.


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To scale render of the iPhone 13 Pro (right) and iPhone 14 Pro (left) rear with ostensibly accurate dimensions by Ian Zelbo.


The rear camera arrays of the iPhone 12 Pro and iPhone 12 Pro Max broadly matched the corner radius of each device's frame, but when Apple increased the size of the camera arrays with the iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max, neither device matched its corners. While the difference between the iPhone 12 Pro Max and iPhone 13 Pro Max's camera arrays are minor, the difference between the iPhone 12 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro is significant.

It seems plausible that with another increase in size this year, the incongruence between the curves of the camera plateau, lenses, and corners of the stainless steel frame itself became too severe on the iPhone 14 Pro, leading Apple to amend the design. The new, larger corner radii still do not exactly match the rounded corners of the rear camera array plateau, but are significantly closer, according to Zelbo.


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To scale render of the iPhone 13 Pro (left) and iPhone 14 Pro (right) front with ostensibly accurate dimensions by Ian Zelbo.


The iPhone 14 Pro's redesigned display may also have enabled the change. A centered pill and hole-punch shaped front-facing TrueDepth camera array in place of the notch is expected to be among the device's headline upgrades, and it is also rumored to feature 20 percent thinner bezels around the display. It will have been necessary to redesign the display to achieve these changes, so a simultaneous change to the corner radii is feasible.

Similar information related to the iPhone 14 shows that this device does not share the new corner radius, which could indicate that the more rounded design is set to become another differentiating factor between the standard and "Pro" iPhone lines.

Zelbo is working on detailed renders of the iPhone 14 Pro based on a multitude of sources to provide a seemingly accurate look at what Apple's next-generation Pro iPhone could look like when it is announced later this year. The renders will debut on Jon Prosser's Front Page Tech soon.

Article Link: iPhone 14 Pro Rumored to Feature Rounder Design to Match Larger Rear Camera Array
I just don’t see this as being a direct replacement for my 12 Pro
 
Attention to detail?

Did anyone miss the gaps in these renders around the corners top r/l of the back!!? Have a GOOd look.

If these renders are indicative of what we’ll see in production it’ll not be good with the gaps in seeing.
The iPhone itself is getting stretched out and it’s getting a little wider. Both things are a welcome factor to an iPhone. It’s an overall design change. I’m sure Apple is inspecting and analyzing every CM of the iPhone.
 
PSA to anyone upgrading from iPhone 13 to this year’s iPhone 14: Don’t buy too many iPhone cases - the new design will not be compatible with the cases. You can save earth resources and the environment by not buying future e-waste.
so not buying new iPhone after a year?
 
Looks like I am keeping my iPhone X for another year which would make it 6 years since I bought a new iPhone when the iPhone 15 comes out unless that does not impress me.

Just sick of the all this camera upgrades and Hugh stick out lenses. They need to put all there effort on removing any notch or punch holes to make a nice clean none distracting screen and get more battery in there. I can not wait for the day they hit a wall with the Cameras so they can not upgrade them anymore and need to figure out how to improve the rest of the phone.
 
I can’t wait to watch you and the rest of our MR friends track your phones from the factory to your houses. You make it such a festive time!

My husband will also probably be preordering so I’ll still have something to track. :D
@GrumpyMom Thank you! Yay! That makes me so happy.

Hopefully, you will be ordering a new iPhone 14 this year as well. Big changes to an iPhone are coming this year and it will be a worthy upgrade. I'm so excited about the titanium frame. It would be nice to track your and your husband's iPhone together. As always, last year was so much fun.

Lastly, iPhone 13's are also being manufactured in India. So, It will also be another exciting year to find out if Apple will be using India as the main assembly factory or still rely on China. 4 More months to go :)

You. Just. Grrr!
I literary just got the iPhone 13 mini as an upgrade last night, still haven’t removed the seal and now I’m thinking maybe l, just maybe the 14/13 Pro should be my phone a year from now. Then again I have to hold one in person but I still prefer the mini’s. But you got me wondering.


Right?!

Straight up @TheYayAreaLiving 🎗 realy should be head of iPhone Global marketing!
@DeepIn2U At this point, I would keep the mini iPhone since it is set to discontinue this year. Come September, Hopefully, you will be ordering yourself a new iPhone 14. Trust me, you will not be disappointed. Can't wait to have you join the family :)

@DeepIn2U Straight up @TheYayAreaLiving 🎗 really should be head of iPhone Global marketing!

I don't know why I haven't applied yet. Imagine if did? I don't even know what's going to happen. I will pour all my passion, hard work, and dedication into it. Guaranteed! 🏁🏁🏁
 
I cannot believe this has to be said in every single thread.
THE IPHONE IS A MATURE PRODUCT!!!
It’s been around for 15 years.
After a while, just like the Mac, and the iPad, and the Apple Watch, there’s less and less reason to upgrade every year.
There was pretty much no reason to move from the X to the XS unless you really needed that new processor or the max size.
There was really no reason to move from the XS or XR to the 11 Series unless you just really needed the Ultra Wide camera.
There was very little reason to move from the 11 series to the 12 series unless you just really wanted a squared off design and 5G.
There was very little reason to move from the 12 series to the 13 Series unless you just really needed 120hz and pro-res.
There will be very little reason to move from the 13 series to the 14 series unless you just absolutely need the camera improvements.
That’s not who these phones are for, unless you’re a person who upgrades their phone every year no matter what.
Coming from a 13, maybe even coming from a 12, you’re not gonna notice much difference.
Coming from 11, coming from an XS, coming from an X… even if you’re still stuck on the iPhone 7, this phone is going to be a great upgrade.
Just like how upgrading to the 2022 iPad Air from the 2020 version is going to be a tiny upgrade, but moving from an older one will be a nice solid change
Aren’t automobiles also mature products for over 50+ years, yet we get a model every year. Imagine the environmental waste produced every year. /s

Why does it bother you or anyone for that matter how their prefer to spend their money? I usually decided if a phone is worth upgrading to me every year or not. I have had the 4S, 5S, 6, 6S, 7, X, XS, 11, 12 Pro and next 14 Pro.

If you are concerned about the environment and CO2 tell the wealthy to stop flying in their private jets that contributes more to the environment compared to an iPhone or an average ICE based vehicle.
 
A new phone every year markets to those who want to buy a phone that year, as in people with 4 year old phones. However, not everyone is on the same three-year or four-year or five-year cycle. People buy every year, just usually different people. For Apple items that sell in high volume every year, competing against items from other companies that also sell in high volume every year, it makes perfect sense to have new models every year.

However, one key point is you SHOULDN'T be impressed by most of the iterative changes every year, vs. the previous year. If you are and are buying every year because of them, you're usually just wasting your money (unless you're a dev or something that needs to develop for the new features and you can write off the cost). The feature updates are cumulative, so it makes more sense to upgrade after longer periods.

So, the statement still holds true. If you have last year's iPhone, you aren't in the target market for this year's iPhone. You're free to buy if you wish and have the extra money to burn, but you aren't the target market.
It literally makes no difference to those people if a phone doesn't annual release, since they already have a 2-3 year old phone at that point with solid updates and support, and when they do it would be a huge upgrade, right? The principle is it's incredibly wasteful releasing a phone every year given the Inherent footprint, energy, materials and emissions, etc. created from the process, regardless of recycling. Target market or not, that doesn't stop people and the only reason this happens is greed, pal. Apple are worth more than some countries, so it's of no real consequence to them take a hit on a phone that is unlikely to be as popular as the following release cycle catching most who definitely would upgrade, albeit without the waste. There's literally no excuse or gymnastics necessary and if Apple actualy cared about the environment, chargers, powerbricks and earbuds wouldn't be on the chopping board, simple.
 
Aren’t automobiles also mature products for over 50+ years, yet we get a model every year. Imagine the environmental waste produced every year. /s

Why does it bother you or anyone for that matter how their prefer to spend their money? I usually decided if a phone is worth upgrading to me every year or not. I have had the 4S, 5S, 6, 6S, 7, X, XS, 11, 12 Pro and next 14 Pro.

If you are concerned about the environment and CO2 tell the wealthy to stop flying in their private jets that contributes more to the environment compared to an iPhone or an average ICE based vehicle.
And the emmisions from creating a car every year as well as the waste from them once they become landfill is disastrous, same for phones. I don't understand how you can take issue with something like that and then completely ignore the reasons people take issue with it, just because people upgrade needlessly to a device with festures you can count on your hand- that being clear greed and excess I'm highlighting here. I also doubt private jets from the one percent is contributing to 99% of the emissions globally, that's a stretch. By all means, it's not acceptable, but putting it into perspective of things adding up, a phone releasing every year is still awful and it's more a hot topic now Apple pulled some bs about the environment justifying not adding accessories, despite the fact separate accessories and their packaging is worse -besides their acessories like earbuds, speakers and any battery-powered device are notoriously unrepairable or close to (being glued shut and all) and generally not degradable or really that recyclable for the kost part. They could easily just not release a phone each year and cut their footprint down significantly better than things people pay near or over a grand for and get a lesser experience. I mean, I'd understand if Apple stood by this and also withheld accessories, but the bs detector is off the chart here and holding brands accountable is never a bad thing. Win, win.
 
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