No of course not. That doesn’t make sense.
If someone has a 4 year old phone and wants to upgrade, they’re often ok to wait 3 months but 15 months is a completely different matter.
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If someone has a 4 year old phone and wants to upgrade, they’re often ok to wait 3 months but 15 months is a completely different matter.
not really. he's modelled them as rounded rectangles instead of squircles. you can tell in the side by side of the 13 vs 14. his model is butt ugly. in-attention to details more like
The perfect iPhone’s imperfect geometry - Yanko Design
I'll admit, I hate the notch. I see it as a necessity, and I acknowledge its presence (with red-hot hatred), and I'm sure you do too, but I promise you from this moment onward, you'll look at it differently. Very differently. What's the notch? Or even the screen for that matter? A couple of straight
Apple literally support devices for up to 6 years. It doesn't matter and a phone is a luxury item besides the fundamentals (e.g. calls and texts) which should work absolutely fine. Again, this is getting side tracked from the fact a phone should not release every year, period.
So, do you keep all your iPhones 6 years before upgrading? Be honest.
Also, do you upgrade to a 1.5 year-old iPhone when you upgrade?
A lot of people in this thread would completely disagree with you.
I’m still confused why the go for this pill design. I get that the overall screen estate will be technically bigger, but with the position shown in those renders, the estate above the pill is not usable either.
So effectively, isn’t this even reducing my screen estate compared to the notch?
So effectively, isn’t this even reducing my screen estate compared to the notch?
I think the bottom line is neither the sideways "i" shape nor the notch is an ideal solution. The "i" does look a bit smaller though.
2 and a half years is generally when I upgrade, half accounting for whether or not the upgrade is worth it and to see how the device ages over time based on reviews, but apple support these devices for a reason regardless and there are many people out there with iphone 6's still, which has only recently been unsupported for updates henceforth due to its age.
regardless, whether they agree or not is irrelevant to me anyway, however, there are many people who agree would with this sentiment, because there's no reasonable justification for it besides excess and greed on either side - so going off of that, yes, of course they would and would also be bias. The simple irrefutable fact is there's no need for an annual upgrade no matter how you slice it, and whether you can afford it or not is irrespective since it shouldn't happen once again.
This topic also more important than ever given the noise apple make about sustainability while simultaneously removing things under the same thin veiled guise. I'm just calling them on that and making them accountable by questioning just how responsible they are for those claims, assuming They are committed to this and not use it to squeeze revenue from items sold separately.
Just as a side here, I'm still using a galaxy s10+ and I'm eyeing up an iphone 14, as this would be a very respectible upgrade. This would be a 3 year upgrade cycle for me from a phone thst released in 2019. I mean, domt get me wrong, the device I have is solid and could easily use it for another year before the battery health seriously declines, thay, and it's not going to be supported after android 12, but I've been dissapointed with what Samsung have been doing recently with SoCs and their tactics. I just want want a solid phone once again that just so happens to be an iPhone 14 being right and sensible for me having considered the 13 but ultimatley holding off because the 14 is very much an evolution of the foundation of what apple improved with the 12, mainly concerning battery here, but i cant shake the old hat design that is due to change somewhat up front - Sorry about the tangent.
Well, that's interesting. You're arguing for sustainability, yet you upgrade every 2.5 years. Does not compute.
For the record, I upgrade roughly every 4 years... and I still say it makes perfect sense for Apple to refresh the iPhone every year. I have considered upgrading at the 3 or 5 year mark, but those wouldn't be options on a 2-year refresh cycle, unless I was willing to go with a year-old model.
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Well that's ironic given your previous statement conflicts with an argument for an annual release. I don't upgrade yearly, so my argument is actually dignified and sound here, but the same can't be said for you. Regardless, just cutting back production by just a year would hugely make an impact given the materials, energy, etc. All used to just make a phone that ultimatley leverages nothing over the last gen in any significant way. Take the jump from iPhone 11 to the 12 the most notable difference was just a square design for the most part (besides the processor) and it was the 13 that should have been what the 12's release was regarding refresh rate, smaller notch, battery performance, larger camera sensors, etc. Apple aren't that stupid and it's intentional that their road map holds off a year and you just can't justify that to any reasonable, rational person.
Err... The reason they make so many iPhones is to support sales to people like you who upgrade every 2 to 2.5 years.
If people upgraded every roughly 4 years like me and my wife, they could vastly reduce the number of iPhones made. However, they could still make them every year, just less of them each year.
If you actually truly believed what you are saying, you'd try to be more sustainable with your purchases, but as it stands now you are not leading by example. In fact, you are doing the opposite of what you preach.
I literally just called out your crap and you're doing damage control for supporting an objectively worse buisness model. Less phone made is still objectively worse environmentally than none, period. Holding off a year doesn't really make a dent to profits as you belive and this is all while while saving R&D, marketing and potentiall losses with a lack of sales because people purchased a phone the year before and aren't inclined to upgrade the following year. This is all whole focusing the time on a phone every 2 years *at least* that has more potential to be hut recouping subsequent losses that would be incurred regarding a hit or miss annual cycle, do you remember how the iphone 13 mini performed in sales and what happned? At that point cutting losses would make sense, now just apply that to the larger scale with little things that add up. I'd also go as far as to say that also streamlining the options available would help, too. Anyway, you don't have to worry about apple losing out because most revenue, besides just hardware, is via service subscriptions and and app store purchases. Also, you're preaching pure bs, so I'm not exactly feeling threatened by your hypocrisy here
. Don't make your issue my issue, simple.
It really sounds like you're just trying to deflect from your own hypocrisy here.I literally just called out your crap and you're doing damage control for supporting an objectively worse buisness model. Less phone made is still objectively worse environmentally than none, period. Holding off a year doesn't really make a dent to profits as you belive and this is all while while saving R&D, marketing and potentiall losses with a lack of sales because people purchased a phone the year before and aren't inclined to upgrade the following year. This is all whole focusing the time on a phone every 2 years *at least* that has more potential to be hut recouping subsequent losses that would be incurred regarding a hit or miss annual cycle, do you remember how the iphone 13 mini performed in sales and what happned? At that point cutting losses would make sense, now just apply that to the larger scale with little things that add up. I'd also go as far as to say that also streamlining the options available would help, too. Anyway, you don't have to worry about apple losing out because most revenue, besides just hardware, is via service subscriptions and and app store purchases. Also, you're preaching pure bs, so I'm not exactly feeling threatened by your hypocrisy here
You are saying that we should all be concerned about sustainability, yet you upgrade your iPhones every 2.5 years, which is significantly more often than the average of roughly every 3-4 years, according to various estimates.
'Estimates' yet thst could be anything. The point is reducing your footprint is better than nothing, and I already said that nearly three years is close to that vague estimate on an average, besides the fact I haven't had a new phone since 2019, but you're getting off topic ignoring the fact an annual release is terrible and the fact you are literally actively endorsing it. By all accounts that is hypocritical and kinda comes off as you projecting more than anything. Again, endorsing this is as bad as brands needlessly releasing a device every year hoping to catch as many people as possibke with the bare minimum and allowing this decision to be made at all. I'm also not Apple's PR spokesperson on eco footprint, but I am calling their actions into question conflicting with what they literally do. Again, I'm not making the claims, but I'm doing officially more than apple is here and holding them accountable with their words. I literally haven't had a new phone since 2019 again so that's the literal takeaway here, pal. Again, anything beyond that is your issue, not mine.
They sell well over 100 million iPhones a year.
There exists in the world more than 100 million people with the desire and funds to purchase iPhones in any given year. It’s not just the same group buying phones over and over. Just the fact that there are over 1.8 BILLION active phones in use shows how it’s not the same 100 million a year buying phones. Nowhere close.
They make iPhones to sell to people who want new iPhones. SOME of them may have owned iPhones before, that’s a given. MANY have never owned an iPhone or any phone before (perhaps their first phone, perhaps switching from Android or some other phone).
I don't disagree with that at all. However, I'm sure you will agree that for those on a regular upgrade cycle, those who upgrade every 2.5 years will use more resources for their iPhone purchases than those who upgrade every 4 years.
This was my first thought as well so I gave it a shot.
Bit rough but gives you a general idea. Green is 13, purple is 14.
I just wish Apple would focus on software year to year and back off the hardware upgrades that are so iterative that are marketed with ridiculous hyperbolic statements.
Nah the US military actually is one of the biggest polluters in the world, it some average job going about their daily routine. It’s like informing the average joe to stop drooling in the ocean while the US military just dumped several oil tankers worth of waste. Perspective is key and if you feel the world is overpopulated then do us all a favour ?
Your comment makes no sense since it doesn't refute what I said and perspective is key, but everything adds up. I mean, by all means do me a favour
Well you are the one who feels releasing a new phone every year is a problem and that is fine and you are entitled to your opinion, just don’t push it on others who do want to upgrade every year and have no problems with it. No one is forcing you or anyone for that matter to upgrade yearly but you feel others who disagree with your views should not do so because you seem to have some enlightened bias.Your comment makes no sense since it doesn't refute what I said and perspective is key, but everything adds up. I mean, by all means do me a favour
Preach to the automobile industry, actually show evidence and extend it to the entertainment industry either hardware like TV, projectors, cameras, CD, Blu-Ray, etc and the entertainment production industry too which mostly produces junk.
How many toasters, microwaves, stoves do we really need released every year? Better yet just sit in a closed box and let the rest of humanity continue living they lives. Dislike petroleum based products then stop using anything and everything that has it or produced by it, don’t be a hypocrite practice what you preach. Show us it can be done ?
It is a problem, there's no denying it. Your cognitive dissonance is your issue, not mine. I also never stated nobody is obliged to do as I do but removing the choice removes an obstacle and these bs arbitrary discussions, plus it is a little more consistent with apples eco pledge amd removes the pointless annual releases of phones needlessly. I've already stated the case countless times so do me and yourself a favour and read them instead of being an obtuse pain in the ass ??♂️