iPhone 14 Pro's Lightning Connector Still Limited to USB 2.0 Speeds Despite Large 48MP ProRAW Photos

[Bento.Box]

How often are you restoring your iPhone?

Also, the iPhone will be up and working before it's restored all the data which is fine for most people.

You seem to have a very esoteric workflow.

Had to restore it as a part of the android migration process for example, in order to migrate the whatsapp messages.

Also, Apple support tries every time to get the user to factory reset and restore their phone as a method of not having to fix the issue.

Restoring 1TB of data over a USB 3 link is usually done rather quickly.
My HTPC also has a 2.5" 5TB disk attached via USB 3 and I have only gigabit ethernet at home, still the data flows quite fast when I copy new videos - compared to the iphone attached via lightning on USB3.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

AirDrop is fast but you’re limited to Apple to Apple transfers. If you’re editing videos professionally, generally people want the flexibility of external storage devices.

However, I believe the 15 lineup will drop the lightning to portless and they will skip usb-c altogether.

Again, would not be legal in the EU.

 

[JosephAW]

It took a long time to restore to my new iPhone at 38 MB a second

 

[jdawgnoonan]

AirDrop is super fast and easy. Why in the world would anybody move image files via wired connection?

I guess insisting on using a wired connection for moving photos provides a whine-worthy opportunity to be aggrieved.

Because most iPhone users are not using Macs and therefore AirDrop is not available because Apple has not implemented a version of it for Windows. I am really surprised how many people here are saying something like "Why aren't you using AirDrop". Do you people not realize that most people are not using a Mac? I am not anti-Mac, I have one and love it. But AirDrop is not the solution unless Apple ports it to Windows.

 

[matt_and_187_like_this]

USB C will be up-sell only for Pro's next year (assuming no laws in place at that time). For the regular iPhone: Either Lightning or no port at all. Trust me, Timmy already calculated the savings from no cable in the box and additional revenue from wireless chargers.

 

[4odomi]

iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max models feature an upgraded rear camera system that can shoot 48-megapixel ProRAW photos, which retain more detail in the image file for more editing flexibility. 48-megapixel ProRAW photos are very large files that clock in at around 75MB each, according to Apple, and sometimes even larger.

Despite these very large image sizes, we have confirmed that the Lightning connector on the iPhone 14 Pro models remains limited to USB 2.0 speeds of up to 480 Mbps like previous models, meaning that transferring full-resolution 48-megapixel ProRAW photos to a Mac or other device with a Lightning cable will take a long time.

Apple recommends using iCloud Photos to access ProRAW files in full resolution on a Mac or other Apple devices, or to transfer the photos off an iPhone wirelessly by using AirDrop, but the Lightning connector certainly remains a bottleneck.

Back in 2015, the original iPad Pro's Lightning connector supported USB 3.0, which was capable of up to 5 Gbps speeds based on the spec at the time, but Apple has evidently chosen not to move in this direction for the iPhone. Fortunately, rumors suggest that all iPhone 15 models will be equipped with a USB-C port instead of Lightning, which should result in speeds up to 10 Gbps or even up to 40 Gbps with Thunderbolt 3 support.

Article Link: iPhone 14 Pro's Lightning Connector Still Limited to USB 2.0 Speeds Despite Large 48MP ProRAW Photos

Much a do about nothing as usual, like Apple says, just access them via the iCloud, having said that, would be nice to have 1 less cable to charge things

 

[4odomi]

Because most iPhone users are not using Macs and therefore AirDrop is not available because Apple has not implemented a version of it for Windows. I am really surprised how many people here are saying something like "Why aren't you using AirDrop". Do you people not realize that most people are not using a Mac? I am not anti-Mac, I have one and love it. But AirDrop is not the solution unless Apple ports it to Windows.

iCloud is available on windows and sorry, but most pro's who do need to download RAW photo's douse aMac

 

[4odomi]

At this point they're keeping the Lightning one more year only out of spite for the EU ruling.

Good for Apple, screw the EU bureaucrats who are as corrupt as the US Congress & Senate

 

[4odomi]

I have an iPhone 11 Pro and have no interest upgrading until they add a USB-C port

I'm pretty certain that's not the reason you're not upgrading 🤣

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

USB C will be up-sell only for Pro's next year (assuming no laws in place at that time). For the regular iPhone: Either Lightning or no port at all. Trust me, Timmy already calculated the savings from no cable in the box and additional revenue from wireless chargers.

There is already law in place that says all EU phones must have a type c charging port by fall 2024.

I don't think even Apple would try to use it as upsell when it will be legal requirement in some parts of the world 12 months later.

No port on the phone at all would be impractical and illegal in every EU member state.

 

[anticipate]

People shooting video and editing on anything other than a Mac or iPad.

Yeah you have to be in Apple’s walled garden to have any decent offload speed

 

[4odomi]

There is already law in place that says all EU phones must have a type c charging port by fall 2024.

I don't think even Apple would try to use it as upsell when it will be legal requirement in some parts of the world 12 months later.

No port on the phone at all would be impractical and illegal in every EU member state.

It's simply not true, that a port less phone will be illegal in the EU

 

[jdawgnoonan]

iCloud is available on windows and sorry, but most pro's who do need to download RAW photo's douse aMac

No, most pro photographers do not use a Mac in 2022. Also, most pro photographers, even if they are on a Mac, aren't using iCloud for their photos. For some reason, many Apple fans, and I consider myself an Apple fan too, cannot admit it when Apple makes a questionable decision.

 

[Dresling]

Even with the latest Asus 6E router and a M1 Max MBP 16, airdrop transfer speeds are still around USB 2.0 speeds with my iphone 13. I doubt the 14 is any faster here

Well... AirDrop is actually peer to peer wifi meaning it transmits directly between your Mac and iPhone. I just ran a test sending a 2.05GB video file from my iPhone to my MacBook. It took 58-59 seconds. Not too bad imo.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Airdrop is a seriously great protocol, and if people (like myself) want a portless iPhone they better get used to it!


Airdrop uses a Wi-Fi Direct connection between your two devices, and should be much faster than usb 2.0 speeds. It is for me, on an iPhone 13 Pro.

AirDrop is very fast. Wi-Fi works well too. This is annoying but it's hardly a problem compared to video. Which is far far larger. It's clear I think that Apple is going away from lightning next year…

Why would anybody use a cable when AirDrop is stupidly fast, like, way faster?

I'm pretty happy with Airdrop speeds. I'd probably still use it even with a USB-C option. Set the phone down, grab a coffee, prep other files … no need to watch the water boil.

AirDrop is super fast and easy. Why in the world would anybody move image files via wired connection?

I guess insisting on using a wired connection for moving photos provides a whine-worthy opportunity to be aggrieved.

We use AirDrop all the time in our household and don't experience that 99.9% of the time. I will admit there is the very rare occasion where it doesn't work as expected, but if it's very problematic for you, I would guess that some other factor is involved, such as your inside networking.

Yep, I use Airdrop all the time and it's very fast, even for large video files. I've never understood al the weeping and gnashing of teeth about the Lightning port on this forum.

Seem like you people don’t know that 80-90% of iPhone users don’t have a mac with airdrop, making it a useless feature. Let alone if you want to sync.

View attachment 2068373A lot of fixation on transfer speeds over a cable when you can easily use wireless. Not sure I get it. 🤷

That’s extremely slow, and barely faster than USB 2.0. With 480mb/s

iPad Air 5 with usb 3.2 support 10Gb/s. Malign it 21x times faster than the iPhone port. Or just shy of 14x faster than your Wi-Fi.

The iPad Pro supports thunderbolt/usb with 40Gb/s and it’s 83x faster than the iPhone port. And 55x faster than your Wi-Fi

Welcome to 4 years ago. USB 3.0 has been a standard since 2018 FFS.

USB 3.0 came out in 2008. So apple could have implemented it in their lightning port. The first phone with usb c came in 2015. Apple launched lightning in late 2012. Usb c was launched in late 2014. Apples firs computer (first computer with usb c) with usb c launched in early 2015

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

It's simply not true, that a port less phone will be illegal in the EU

Bottom line is a phone without any ports isn't happening anytime soon.

 

[Bento.Box]

iCloud is available on windows and sorry, but most pro's who do need to download RAW photo's douse aMac

iCloud on windows is a ********. It interferes with backup. Apple wasn't able to solve it.
I hosted owncloud myself for a several years on my mac mini, then moved most of the data outside the cloud and outsourced the rest to google when I decommissioned the hardware.

Further, it only offers 5GB for free. Not enough to hold hundreds of GBs of mp3s audiobooks and photos. So you'd have to pay extra for something that you have already paid for.

And then, the iphone would transmit over wlan or 5g, which is quite slow compared to USB3, so it still takes a lot of time.

The solution is easy: get rid of lightning and equip the next generation iphone with a proper USB3/C port. Cost only a few cents to manufacture. Edit: or be innovative and make it USB4

 

[Sophisticatednut]

There is already law in place that says all EU phones must have a type c charging port by fall 2024.

I don't think even Apple would try to use it as upsell when it will be legal requirement in some parts of the world 12 months later.

No port on the phone at all would be impractical and illegal in every EU member state.

One interesting thing is. What will they do with the older or cheaper models? They will not be allowed to sell an iPhone 14 or iPhone 12 without usb c.

So will all devices be forced to be upgraded

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

One interesting thing is. What will they do with the older or cheaper models? They will not be allowed to sell an iPhone 14 or iPhone 12 without usb c.

So will all devices be forced to be upgraded

I think they will yeah, I think that is why they will go to USB C in 2023 which allows them to keep some lightning models around until 2024 when they will have to go, in the EU at least

 

[usagora]

It's simply not true, that a port less phone will be illegal in the EU

Let's all take a moment to think about how ridiculous it is that a government would proclaim this, considering the fact that no one is forced to buy any particular product. Simply incredible to me.

 

[magbarn]

Simply bizarre. This was done seven years ago on the iPad with Lightning. Why obsolete bandwidth on the iPhone for I/O. And it's unfortunate because the Lightning port stays cleaner than USB-C which I'm regularly having to dig compressed fluff out of to get a clean connection. If Apple and the bureaucrats were smart, they'd set up the licensing of Lightning with both USB 2 and USB 3 capability to open source, making it a useful alternative to USB-C for smaller and/or more dirt-prone items and making use of the vast number of Lightning accessories already there.

I agree. All my USB C ports get loose

Well... AirDrop is actually peer to peer wifi meaning it transmits directly between your Mac and iPhone. I just ran a test sending a 2.05GB video file from my iPhone to my MacBook. It took 58-59 seconds. Not too bad imo.

My iPad Pro USB-C does that in about 4-5 seconds. That's a huge difference.

 

[willchris]

Courage!

 

[usagora]

Seem like you people don’t know that 80-90% of iPhone users don’t have a mac with airdrop, making it a useless feature. Let alone if you want to sync.

Oh well, then they will have to take a little longer to transfer their GBs of data if they don't want to buy a cheap used Mac Mini or whatever. I used to do it that way too. Still no big deal. If you're constantly transferring GBs of uncompressed photos or video, then maybe it's time to consider a dedicated camera or video camera for professional work. Yes, they call these phones "pro" but we all know that's just marketing talk.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

Let's all take a moment to think about how ridiculous it is that a government would proclaim this, considering the fact that no one is forced to buy any particular product. Simply incredible to me.

I though Apple were all about the environment and tackling e waste? I think the EU just don't want them producing tonnes of ancient tech like lightning cables every year

Deal on common charger: reducing hassle for consumers and curbing e-waste | News | European Parliament

By autumn 2024, USB Type-C will become the common charging port for all mobile phones, tablets and cameras in the EU, Parliament and Council negotiators agreed today.

www.europarl.europa.eu

These new obligations will lead to more re-use of chargers and will help consumers save up to 250 million euro a year on unnecessary charger purchases. Disposed of and unused chargers are estimated to represent about 11,000 tonnes of e-waste annually.

 

[kevcube]

Ok, airdrop is a great protocol that is only applicable in apple ecosystem, but I have a PC. How does that work?

Tim Cook says buy your mother a Mac.

https://github.com/seemoo-lab/opendrop You can also try this.