iPhone 14 Pro's Lightning Connector Still Limited to USB 2.0 Speeds Despite Large 48MP ProRAW Photos

[Bento.Box]

Oh well, then they will have to take a little longer to transfer their GBs of data if they don't want to buy a cheap used Mac Mini or whatever.

Having a dedicated computer just to sync your phone to (in addition to your regular and more potent workstation) isn't really something a normal person would even consider.

Besides, it can't even be any mac mini, it must be a mac mini that runs a current version of OSX.
I also believe that airdrop only works when both devices have an actual BT or wlan adapter (never really digged into the airdrop stuff, maybe I remember it wrong), so then the mac mini must have this equipped as well.

 

[BellSystem]

What a joke. PrEmIuM pRoDuCT indeed.

 

[usagora]

Having a dedicated computer just to sync your phone to (in addition to your regular and more potent workstation) isn't really something a normal person would even consider.

Besides, it can't even be any mac mini, it must be a mac mini that runs a current version of OSX.
I also believe that airdrop only works when both devices have an actual BT or wlan adapter (never really digged into the airdrop stuff, maybe I remember it wrong), so then the mac mini must have this equipped as well.

If you're a professional (which I imagine you would be if you have a constant need for transferring huge amounts of RAW photos and videos), then spending a few hundred on a dedicated computer is nothing if you're really dead set on using an iPhone for your professional work. And obviously I wasn't talking about buying a G4 Mini or anything like that. Just get a used/refurbished one that's only a few years old and you're set. Again, if you really want to use the iPhone for this type of work on a regular basis. Otherwise, you'll have to wait for USB-C on the iPhone and make do with Lightning for now.

 

[usagora]

I though Apple were all about the environment and tackling e waste? I think the EU just don't want them producing tonnes of ancient tech like lightning cables every year

So...producing the same amount of USB-C cables is better how? Or are you suggesting Apple not even include a cable in the box?

But all that's beside my point. The government should not be interfering with the free market like this. People can vote with their wallet - they don't need a nanny-state to make these decisions for them.

 

[4odomi]

No, most pro photographers do not use a Mac in 2022. Also, most pro photographers, even if they are on a Mac, aren't using iCloud for their photos. For some reason, many Apple fans, and I consider myself an Apple fan too, cannot admit it when Apple makes a questionable decision.

It's only questionable for at most 10% iPhone users the so called influencer's, first it was the price, then the notch, now over the last 2/3 years the notch & USB C, next it will be the dynamic island & USB C 😏
I suspect most Pro users, would prefer a 10x telephoto lens with improved exposure if it's a choice between USB C and space is very much at a premium! Ps. I'm sure you don't know most pro photographers (like me) however the once that do use a PC rather than a Mac, obviously have spare time on their hands 😊
I have no issues in questioning Apple's decisions, they are far from perfect, like for instance, releasing the M2 MacBook Pro, my issues are with the so called influencers knocking Apple for the sake of it....would I prefer a USB C port, yes, it would be 1 less cable, but there are other more important decisions/upgrades I would like to see, like a cooling extractor, 10x telephoto with bigger exposure and mostly a reduced camera bump which is becoming ridiculous, on Androids as well!

 

[hagjohn]

Apple is milking this for all its worth. Either they are working on something better than USB C, planning to go completely wireless or they just don’t care anymore. Oh, on second thought, purchase more iCloud storage.

The MBA’s have spoken I guess.

They probably had a lot of lightning ports on hand or they had already ordered the part for this phone or it simply didn't occur to them about the file size.

I use a USB-C to lightening cable for my phone (except in my car) and it feels faster. I can't say whether it is or not, but it feels like it.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

So...producing the same amount of USB-C cables is better how? Or are you suggesting Apple not even include a cable in the box?

But all that's beside my point. The government should not be interfering with the free market like this. People can vote with their wallet - they don't need a nanny-state to make these decisions for them.

Because consumers don't need the same amount of cables. Only Apples phones run on lightning. I wouldn't really have a problem with them not including a cable in the box if they didn't have a proprietary port on the phone.

Would usually agree about Gov interference in free markets but when companies become monopolistic someone has to ensure that it doesn't become harmful to competitive markets.

 

[Devin Breeding]

Again, would not be legal in the EU.

Why? Are they requiring USBC specifically? I just thought it was to adopt a standardized version to charge the device. Which wireless charging is.

 

[bobcomer]

Seem like you people don’t know that 80-90% of iPhone users don’t have a mac with airdrop, making it a useless feature. Let alone if you want to sync.

I have a Mac and don't use airdrop. I actually use email, send and forget, and I receive it either on my Mac or my PC.

I do backups via the lightning port.

 

[geartau]

do you REALLY want Apple to make a new lightning cable to support USB3.0 speeds right before Apple drops lightning next year? i don't.

i'm for USB-C iPhones, but if Apple had to continue making lightning iPhones for whatever reason (money?), i'm glad Apple didn't update the lightning cable to support USB3 speeds. that would be such a dumb idea for 2022.

 

[usagora]

Because consumers don't need the same amount of cables. Only Apples phones run on lightning. I wouldn't really have a problem with them not including a cable in the box if they didn't have a proprietary port on the phone.

But there are already hundreds of millions of Lightning cables out there. If "waste" is the concern, then USB-C isn't the answer, because many people don't have those cables either. Apple could just as easily not include the Lightning cable and at checkout prompt the buyer to indicate whether they need the cable or not. No need to change the port standard. Not that I care if they do; I just don't think it's up to any government body to dictate that.

Would usually agree about Gov interference in free markets but when companies become monopolistic someone has to ensure that it doesn't become harmful to competitive markets.

How on earth is Apple "monopolistic" just because they use a proprietary cable? How is that affecting other phone manufacturers from competing with them? LOL! Seems like everything has been going just fine without the EU or other governing bodies meddling.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

Why? Are they requiring USBC specifically? I just thought it was to adopt a standardized version to charge the device. Which wireless charging is.

Well the language is ..

Mobile phones, tablets, e-readers, earbuds, digital cameras, headphones and headsets, handheld videogame consoles and portable speakers that are rechargeable via a wired cable will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C port, regardless of their manufacturer.

So maybe that gives them some room to put something out that doesn't charge via a cable, but there is a caveat of ..

As wireless charging technology becomes more prevalent, the European Commission will be empowered to develop so-called delegated acts, on the interoperability of charging solutions.

Which means any solution that was proprietary to Apple probably probably wouldn't last long.

Completely portless phone would be impractical for most and would see a backlash on a different scale to the headphone jack/SIM card tray.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

But there are already hundreds of millions of Lightning cables out there. If "waste" is the concern, then USB-C isn't the answer, because many people don't have those cables either. Apple could just as easily not include the Lightning cable and at checkout prompt the buyer to indicate whether they need the cable or not. No need to change the port standard. Not that I care if they do; I just don't think it's up to any government body to dictate that.



How on earth is Apple "monopolistic" just because they use a proprietary cable? How is that affecting other phone manufacturers from competing with them? LOL! Seems like everything has been going just fine without the EU or other governing bodies meddling.

Oh it isn't the cable that makes them monopolistic ..

 

[magbarn]

do you REALLY want Apple to make a new lightning cable to support USB3.0 speeds right before Apple drops lightning next year? i don't.

i'm for USB-C iPhones, but if Apple had to continue making lightning iPhones for whatever reason (money?), i'm glad Apple didn't update the lightning cable to support USB3 speeds. that would be such a dumb idea for 2022.

They don't have to update the cable, just make the port capable of it which has been for over 5 years with the 1/2nd gen iPad Pros that had USB3 lightning ports.

 

[I7guy]

Because consumers don't need the same amount of cables. Only Apples phones run on lightning. I wouldn't really have a problem with them not including a cable in the box if they didn't have a proprietary port on the phone.

Would usually agree about Gov interference in free markets but when companies become monopolistic someone has to ensure that it doesn't become harmful to competitive markets.

What you really wanted to say is that when companies don’t do as I want them to do, I support the government interfering in the free market to make companies do what i want them to do.

 

[dave070]

What you really wanted to say is that when companies don’t do as I want them to do, I support the government interfering in the free market to make companies do what i want them to do.

Exactly. Like not dumping pollutants into your drinking water. In a totally free market, that'd be legal.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

What you really wanted to say is that when companies don’t do as I want them to do, I support the government interfering in the free market to make companies do what i want them to do.

No I didn't, I just won't defend companies to the death on issues like this. I'm not worrying about my stock value so I don't need to.

If anybody thinks that putting a proprietary port on a $1000 phone which doesn't really support the fastest charging or data transfer speeds is good for anybody other than Apple I don't know what to say.

I don't necessarily approve of the EU mandating the use of Type C but most phone manufacturers have already adopted it because it is the best solution available for mobile devices in 2022. It's a shame that Apple has taken so long to catch up

 

[Bento.Box]

Apple could just as easily not include the Lightning cable and at checkout prompt the buyer to indicate whether they need the cable or not. No need to change the port standard. Not that I care if they do; I just don't think it's up to any government body to dictate that.

The port standard needs to be changed because Lightning just isn't capable. I'm not against proprietery cables, but if it makes the phone perform noticeably worse than their competitors that cost a fraction of the price - a change is needed.

That said, the decision to include a cable but not include a charger is weird. If they don't provide the charger, they could also not provide the cable as it was utterly useless to me. It could neither connect the iphone to the PC nor to my existing charger. So I had to order a cable anyway (not a charger).

I also ordered an adapter just to test around - turns out that using the original apple cable led to slow charging, compared to the 3rd party USB-A to Lightning cable that was longer and could provide the full roughly 12W that the iphone mini draws at maximum. So it's not even decent quality.

 

[usagora]

Oh it isn't the cable that makes them monopolistic ..

But that's what we're talking about - the cable and the government trying to regulate that, and you argued that you were ok with that because Apple was being monopolistic 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

The port standard needs to be changed because Lightning just isn't capable. I'm not against proprietery cables, but if it makes the phone perform noticeably worse than their competitors that cost a fraction of the price - a change is needed.

Same, if someone comes up with a propriety cable that is technically better than USB C great!

I never criticised lightning when it was introduced because it was better than what already existed but it is 2022 and things have changed.

 

[usagora]

Exactly. Like not dumping pollutants into your drinking water. In a totally free market, that'd be legal.

So you're comparing a data/charging cable to potentially life-threatening pollutants in the public's drinking water? Sorry, but there's simply no comparison there. Not even close.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

But that's what we're talking about - the cable and the government trying to regulate that, and you argued that you were ok with that because Apple was being monopolistic 🤷🏼‍♂️

I think most companies aren't effected by this regulation anyway so no harm no foul.

Of the top five smartphone manufacturers by market share only Apple would have to make hardware changes to their current products to be compliant.

 

[usagora]

I think most companies aren't effected by this regulation anyway so no harm no foul.

No, there is harm and foul because they're trying to control the design of Apple's products. That's for Apple to decide, not the EU.

 

[usagora]

The port standard needs to be changed because Lightning just isn't capable. I'm not against proprietery cables, but if it makes the phone perform noticeably worse than their competitors that cost a fraction of the price - a change is needed.

And like I said, I don't care what Apple does, but it should be up to Apple and Apple alone. It's obviously not hurting their sales.

That said, the decision to include a cable but not include a charger is weird. If they don't provide the charger, they could also not provide the cable as it was utterly useless to me. It could neither connect the iphone to the PC nor to my existing charger. So I had to order a cable anyway (not a charger).

Not really. The cable is a lot less bulky than the charger for one. And lots of devices have powered USB-C ports or chargers already that you could use. And if you don't have those, you can buy one cheap or even a USB-A to USB-C adapter. And once you have a USB-C charger, then you're set for all future iPhone purchases.

I also ordered an adapter just to test around - turns out that using the original apple cable led to slow charging, compared to the 3rd party USB-A to Lightning cable that was longer and could provide the full roughly 12W that the iphone mini draws at maximum. So it's not even decent quality.

🤷🏼‍♂️ Never noticed any slowness to the charging with my Apple-included Lightning-to-USB-C cables. Though I normally use MagSafe anyway unless I'm away from home or the office.

 

[ThomasJL]

Five months ago, I wrote a post titled "Will iPhone 14 be USB 2.0? Probably, since Cook is mediocre." Link below:

Will iPhone 14 be USB 2.0? Probably, since Cook is mediocre.

Apple computers have had USB 3.0 since mid-2012. That is 10 years ago. Despite that, Tim Cook, being the mediocre beancounter MBA suit that he is, has still not done anything to upgrade the connectivity on the latest iPhones. The latest iPhones use the same USB 2.0 connectivity that shipped with...

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