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RIP lightweight iPhones.

That went some time ago. The current Pros are an abomination ergonomically with the stainless steel chassis (let's pick the heaviest metal 🤦‍♂️) and swollen camera bumps making the whole thing top heavy.

I find the regular iPhone due to its use of aluminium is fine weight-wise and much better balanced with its more sensible camera bumps.
 
*sigh*

In before the 15 Pros are the thickest, heaviest iPhones yet with the largest camera bumps ever.

With the regular 15's getting the dynamic island and possibly a 48 MP camera, this might be a good year not to get the Pro.
 
Some men's trouser pockets, especially suit pockets, and even jeans pockets, can struggle with modern iPhones. Maybe properly made, square bottomed pockets will come back into fashion.

Don't even speak about women's trousers and their silly little pretend pockets haha
 
People worried about weight well the pros will be using Titanium which will be lighter than the current build.
 
Longer battery life is always welcome, in my opinion. The weight of the phone is a non-issue for me personally. Right now I could go two days on a single charge. Closing in on three days or two and-a-half would be great!
 
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You mention the dynamic island like it's a pro and not a con? 👀 Can I have some of what you're smoking, please?

Well, I haven't used a phone with the dynamic island yet 🤔 So I don't actually know if it's beneficial or just a gimmick, but I remember being skeptical before switching to an iPhone with a notch and no home button, so we'll see.

In either case, mainly I just meant that the non-Pro phones are getting more similar to the Pro phones, but are thinner and lighter, so if that's a priority, it might be a worthy option. (Though knowing they won't have ProMotion until 2025 makes me think I'll probably just get the Pro anyway).
 
MR folks complaining about battery life - Apple puts higher capacity batteries in phones --> MR people complaining about size/weight ... so the story continues ...

But, people here believe that the 3nm process for the A17 (whatever number gets into the Pro models) is soooo power efficient, why would apple increase the battery capacity?
 
Hopefully a 256 Pro Max stays at $1199. I can pay it outright but don't want to I need to build my credit.
 
MR folks complaining about battery life - Apple puts higher capacity batteries in phones --> MR people complaining about size/weight ... so the story continues ...

But, people here believe that the 3nm process for the A17 (whatever number gets into the Pro models) is soooo power efficient, why would apple increase the battery capacity?
Because may be it's not and that's one of the reasons moving to N3E next year. I'm really curious to see how this unfolds.
 
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That's not true at all. The 12/13/14 are 162/173/172g respectively and a bigger battery only means more mass. If this 18% increase for the regular 15 would be true AND it would be slightly thicker (=more case volume and thus mass as well), it wouldn't surprise me if it would get around the 195-200g mark. And that's seriously heavy.

Also, that's just the base model we're talking about! The Pro models are always heavier, with the 14 Pro at 206g. I'm sorry, but I can't be the only one who finds that absolutely insane.

Apart from me running a 12 mini and absolutely not wanting to go bigger, a 14 or 15 won't be an option for me. It's just too heavy and big for me to comfortably carry. I'm no Shaq by any means, but I'm also just slightly below average for a man and I've actually tried the 14 a few weeks, but had to return it. And I can't be the only one who thinks this way. This is really getting out of hand (pun intended). Steve Jobs knew what ideal formats were. Everything from the OG iPhone until the 8 and then the mini/SE are fine and for some people a bigger phone might be fine, but for some people it just isn't. And having no options is absolutely terrible. This might be the single biggest reason where Apple might lose me as a customer if they won't make a mini anymore and also don't update the SE in a few years to include the OLED screen in the mini form factor.

My ideal format has always been the 5/5s. Both were 112g, my current 12 mini is 133g which is fine, but the bigger 12 is 162g and that's over the edge for me.

Anyway, if Apple doesn't bring back the mini, then I'm sticking with my 12 mini until there's no upgrade possible anymore for iOS and hope that eventually they'll make the mini-format the new SE variant. And if even that is not going to happen by let's say 2026, then I'd have to go the Android route. Luckily there are still manufacturers like Sony or Asus making phones the size of a mini iPhone or just a tad bigger. I also tried a Samsung A8 2018 for a while and that was just about right as well, slightly bigger but not as big as a 12/13/14. And definitely not as heavy.

Heck, I'd might even start a petition for everyone with somewhat smaller hands. Because my 12 mini is fine right now, and apart from me wanting to upgrade but having no options, the 13 mini makes no sense as it's just 1 year newer. The SE makes no sense because I'd lose the new features I currently have like OLED and Face ID and would also get worse cameras, so what's there to go to for people like me?

The 13 mini was a pretty big improvement over the 12 mini for me with battery life. Ideally I'd like to see Apple go with something in between the 13 mini and the 14 size, like the 5.8" on the X or Xs but with the slimmer body and bezels so it is actually smaller and lighter than the X or Xs was. One of my pet peeves with the 12/13 mini was that the screen was actually narrower than the 6/7/8/SE2/SE3 and even though the overall screen was bigger with that aspect ratio change and it being narrower didn't always feel like it. But everyone has their own opinion on what would be better.
 
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Customer in a nutshell. Never satisfied. Always picky. And this is not Apple exclusive issue by any means.

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To be fair, I think the battery life is pretty good as it is. I wasn't asking for a larger battery. I was asking for a thinner, lighter phone though... 🤷‍♂️
 
Agree with no need for the SE. Personally think they should remove the version number and just called it the iPhone mini and update it every few years. I'd also make it a couple of mm thicker to squeeze in a bit more battery.

As an affordable, compact iPhone it will always have a market.
Agree.
 
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That's amazing. I wonder how they'll manage this. I was thinking the 3nm chips might lead to more miniaturization of the logic board, but that wouldn't apply to the regular 15 models as they will have last year's 5nm chips. Must be some crazy good optimization of the space inside the phone.
 
I use the 12mini.

Last week I was visiting a larger city.
Using Airpods and Maps every now and then my phone would give me about 4-5h of usage.
That is just bad.
Imagine I was using an Apple Watch as well.

At this point iPhones are very far from having a great battery life.
My opinion.
Happy to hear your thoughts!
Not surprised mate if you’re using the mini version of the iPhone 12 (notoriously bad battery life even on the larger model) And probably a 3 year old battery to boot. There’s no really “at this point” about it. Maybe a point in 2020

13 has way better battery life (or did when the handset itself was new) and I’ve not used the 14 but would imagine it has equally good or slightly better battery life. The 15 will likely have significantly better battery life again. So at this point, or maybe September 2023 that point instead… iPhones do have great battery life
 
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Because may be it's not and that's one of the reasons moving to N3E next year. I'm really curious to see how this unfolds.
Yep… the only reason for larger battery I can think of is that they don’t want to make the Pro models smaller (screen size) and they can’t make them thinner for technical reasons, so there’s space I. The case now that they fill up with battery…
 
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Agree with no need for the SE. Personally think they should remove the version number and just called it the iPhone mini and update it every few years. I'd also make it a couple of mm thicker to squeeze in a bit more battery.

As an affordable, compact iPhone it will always have a market.
Actually, what I would really like to know is the purchase rate for 13 Mini vs the other phones. In the wild, I see the big phones all over the place. But when I am using my Mini in public, so many people say they didn't know you could still get a small size smart phone. And I read a lot where - among Apple fans who know about the Mini - there is still a lot of love for the Mini in terms of wanting Apple to continue making that size phone.

Makes me think Apple could likely double Mini sales if it was actually marketed. But that would cannibalize sales of the larger, higher margin phones. But if each product config was managed for its own profitability and margin vs the entire iPhone category, I would take the Mini and try to ensure that it remained in the one of the top two spots in monthly overall iPhone sales. I think it would be easy to do globally, but also I think that Apple knee-caps the potential of the Mini so that it can up-sell people to the larger, more expensive phone.
 
Not surprised mate if you’re using the mini version of the iPhone 12 (notoriously bad battery life even on the larger model) And probably a 3 year old battery to boot. There’s no really “at this point” about it. Maybe a point in 2020

13 has way better battery life (or did when the handset itself was new) and I’ve not used the 14 but would imagine it has equally good or slightly better battery life. The 15 will likely have significantly better battery life again. So at this point, or maybe September 2023 that point instead… iPhones do have great battery life
Fair Enough, thanks for the feedback 👍
 
I would love to see iPhone 15 mini with slightly bigger screen (from 5.4 to 5.6 inch) and much bigger battery... I've switch from iPXS to iP13mini and it's great... Why did they replace mini with plus when sales where not that bad for mini... they could leave it as mini or next SE4.
 
This is not a good sign in my opinion. If they have to put bigger battery, means that the A17 is not that efficient and they wanted to reach specific level of battery life. You know, it's Apple. If they had, they would put smaller battery to save cost. On the other side, they are doing the same for the base line, which of course is expected to use current A16. Interesting in general.
5 years ago I would have agreed. New Apple is not the same as old Apple. They have actually put function over form on many recent products. Mac Studio ports on front. MacBook Pro thicker redesign. Some of the new MacBooks have 20hr battery life. That’s not what old Apple would have done. Part of it is competition, and part is just continuing to move upmarket with certain devices.
 


The iPhone 15 lineup will feature significantly larger batteries across the board, according to an alleged Foxconn worker speaking to ITHome.


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iPhone 15 lineup dummy models.

The information claims that the iPhone 15 will feature an 18% larger battery, iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 15 Pro a 14% larger battery, and the iPhone 15 Pro Max a 12% larger battery. The exact capacity changes are said to be as follows:

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iPhone 13: 3,227mAhiPhone 14: 3,279mAhiPhone 15: 3,877mAh
iPhone 13 mini: 2,406mAhiPhone 14 Plus: 4,325mAhiPhone 15 Plus: 4,912mAh
iPhone 13 Pro: 3,095mAhiPhone 14 Pro: 3,200mAhiPhone 15 Pro: 3,650mAh
iPhone 13 Pro Max: 4,352mAhiPhone 14 Pro Max: 4,323mAhiPhone 15 Pro Max: 4,852mAh


If correct, the changes would mean that the 15 Plus would increase its battery capacity lead over the Pro Max model even further, while the 15 Pro would remain the iPhone with the smallest battery. The source is without a proven track record, but the alleged capacities seem plausible, especially given the fact that this year's iPhone models are expected to get slightly thicker, providing more internal space for larger batteries. With the efficiency improvements of the A16 and A17 Bionic chips, it seems highly likely that the entire iPhone lineup could boast battery life improvements this year.

ITHome also highlighted separate information purportedly coming out of Foxconn that is circulating on Weibo saying that the iPhone 15 Pro will begin with 256GB of storage as standard, doubling the current 128GB base storage configuration. This would also be a key differentiator between the Pro and non-Pro models, since the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus are still expected to start with 128GB of storage.

Article Link: iPhone 15 Lineup Rumored to Feature Significantly Larger Batteries
There is absolutely nothing wrong with my 13 Pro battery!
Stop making the phones bigger 😡
 
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