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iPhone 15 Pro Max Again Rumored to Exclusively Feature Periscope Lens With Up to 6x Optical Zoom

Just put one big sensor (1"+) with a periscope lens. I've never taken a satisfactory picture with the ultra wide, and telephoto pictures in low light look pretty bad.

Also, this is all worthless to me until we get the option to turn off HDR and post-process sharpening!
 
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As widely rumored, the iPhone 15 Pro Max will exclusively feature an upgraded Telephoto lens with periscope technology, according to Twitter account @URedditor. In a tweet today, the leaker said they finally independently confirmed this information.

Last month, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo reiterated that the periscope lens will enable up to 5x-6x optical zoom when shooting photos with the rear camera on the iPhone 15 Pro Max, compared to up to 3x on the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Article Link: iPhone 15 Pro Max Again Rumored to Exclusively Feature Periscope Lens With Up to 6x Optical Zoom
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Is that it? Really?!

Xperia 1 III is the mobile professionals photographers' benchmark "70mm and 105mm focal lengths, representing 2.9x and 4.4x zoom lengths from the main sensor, respectively".
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I’d look forward to this if they ever brought it to the regular size phone but I guess I’ll wait.

5x is a really good zoom size. It’s long enough to make a real difference in a shot (2x and 3x are barely there). The 10x and 20x are too long. They tend to be too dark and stability can be a problem.
 
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Can we please, for the love of Dog, stop using “X” to talk about focal length range? “6X” doesn’t mean anything. “30X” doesn’t mean anything. 1-30mm would be 30X but 30-90mm would only be “3X”. They wouldn’t even have to increase the focal length on the long end to increase the “X”. Stupid and meaningless!

Consumer camera marketing is so irritating. Go back to 35mm equivalent focal length. While not perfect, it at least means something and isn’t a marketing term some exec pulled out of their rear end.
 
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Kiwikat88 said:
Can we please, for the love of Dog, stop using “X” to talk about focal length range? “6X” doesn’t mean anything. “30X” doesn’t mean anything. 1-30mm would be 30X but 30-90mm would only be “3X”. They wouldn’t even have to increase the focal length on the long end to increase the “X”. Stupid and meaningless!

Consumer camera marketing is so irritating. Go back to 35mm equivalent focal length. While not perfect, it at least means something and isn’t a marketing term some exec pulled out of their rear end.
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But what does 30mm mean unless you know details about the rest of the camera dimensions? 6x has a clear functional meaning to a consumer that the image appears 6x closer than the default 1x camera. How does calling it 30mm provide more information?
 
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allenvanhellen said:
Just put one big sensor (1"+) with a periscope lens. I've never taken a satisfactory picture with the ultra wide, and telephoto pictures in low light look pretty bad.

Also, this is all worthless to me until we get the option to turn off HDR and post-process sharpening!
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I'm 100% with you. Ditch the extra zoom and put in a bigger sensor. I'm not sure how they could put a larger one in with a telescope lens, but that's far better than any zoom.
 
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allenvanhellen said:
Just put one big sensor (1"+) with a periscope lens. I've never taken a satisfactory picture with the ultra wide, and telephoto pictures in low light look pretty bad.

Also, this is all worthless to me until we get the option to turn off HDR and post-process sharpening!
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I remember seeing an Apple patent posted here or somewhere else a few years ago that looked like one large lens on the back of the iPhone. As for the option to turn off post-process sharpening, I hope they would also do that for earlier models like the 14 Pro.
 
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This is going to have a hefty price tag. And the size becomes unwieldy. These are not longer smartPHONES. These "addiction" screeens start to become something else.
 
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Kiwikat88 said:
Can we please, for the love of Dog, stop using “X” to talk about focal length range? “6X” doesn’t mean anything. “30X” doesn’t mean anything. 1-30mm would be 30X but 30-90mm would only be “3X”. They wouldn’t even have to increase the focal length on the long end to increase the “X”. Stupid and meaningless!

Consumer camera marketing is so irritating. Go back to 35mm equivalent focal length. While not perfect, it at least means something and isn’t a marketing term some exec pulled out of their rear end.
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It relates to the multiplication of the "main lens". The iPhone 14 Pro has a 24mm (equivalent) main lens. The Telephoto lens is 72mm, so it's a 3x zoom.
 
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steve09090 said:
It relates to the multiplication of the "main lens". The iPhone 14 Pro has a 24mm (equivalent) main lens. The Telephoto lens is 72mm, so it's a 3x zoom.
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I believe a 25x lens would be the 600mm equivalent, now if only they could put one of those in it behind a full frame sensor 😱.

I don’t see anyone breaking the laws of physics anytime soon. The real advances will probably come in the sensors, cell phones don’t have the space for large apertures, big sensors, or long lenses. If we could get one of these in a phone in the next 5 years it could be the answer to our dreams.

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Took Apple 3 years to muster enough courage for a periscope lens. What other crazy thing will they have the courage to release? Full speed USB-C ports?
 
Does it mean they’re gonna remove the 3x sensor? Not good! It’s perfect for portraits. They could just convert it to 48MP to enable optical 6x without loosing 3x.
 
Tagbert said:
But what does 30mm mean unless you know details about the rest of the camera dimensions? 6x has a clear functional meaning to a consumer that the image appears 6x closer than the default 1x camera. How does calling it 30mm provide more information?
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35mm film (Full Frame) equivalent is very commonly used in photography. 30mm provides objectively more information than 1X, 2X, 3X, 100X. As long as you use the equivalent, you can compare focal lengths across any camera/sensor/lens platform. Yes, the fact that we don't always use that equivalent is just as annoying to me.

steve09090 said:
It relates to the multiplication of the "main lens". The iPhone 14 Pro has a 24mm (equivalent) main lens. The Telephoto lens is 72mm, so it's a 3x zoom.
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Do we know for sure what the "main lens" on the 15 is going to be? Without that information, 3X is useless, while 72mm is objectively useful. 72mm is a great focal length for upper torso portraits or a picture of your pet. Most people probably don't have a clue what 3X even means- most probably assume it's something to do with making something 3X bigger in the frame or looking 3X closer. They just know that bigger number = better, yay marketing. It's nearly as bad as the megapixel race.

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Does it mean they’re gonna remove the 3x sensor? Not good! It’s perfect for portraits. They could just convert it to 48MP to enable optical 6x without loosing 3x.
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This is a good example of why we need objective measurements for these things. This doesn't even make sense. The number of pixels has absolutely nothing to do with focal length or zoom.
 
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the Tele lens inside iPone 14 pro is totally a piece of s**t, the quality of image that taken by this camera is not even better than you cutted a photo which u taken from the main camera with 48m raw.

So I hope someday Tim cock will upgrade the telecamera for the iPhone pro series.

by the way, the iPhone pro max series are tooooooo big for
 
Kiwikat88 said:
35mm film (Full Frame) equivalent is very commonly used in photography. 30mm provides objectively more information than 1X, 2X, 3X, 100X. As long as you use the equivalent, you can compare focal lengths across any camera/sensor/lens platform. Yes, the fact that we don't always use that equivalent is just as annoying to me.



Do we know for sure what the "main lens" on the 15 is going to be? Without that information, 3X is useless, while 72mm is objectively useful. 72mm is a great focal length for upper torso portraits or a picture of your pet. Most people probably don't have a clue what 3X even means- most probably assume it's something to do with making something 3X bigger in the frame or looking 3X closer. They just know that bigger number = better, yay marketing. It's nearly as bad as the megapixel race.



This is a good example of why we need objective measurements for these things. This doesn't even make sense. The number of pixels has absolutely nothing to do with focal length or zoom.
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you can use the 48MP camera to enable 2x 50 mm optical zoom via binning
 
steve09090 said:
I'm 100% with you. Ditch the extra zoom and put in a bigger sensor. I'm not sure how they could put a larger one in with a telescope lens, but that's far better than any zoom.
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Bigger sensor might be a challenge due to physical restrictions (think camera bump). I believe they will implement a dual layer sensor sooner than later. I'm pretty sure this tech will improve image quality quite a bit.
 
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r_123 said:
Bigger sensor might be a challenge due to physical restrictions (think camera bump). I believe they will implement a dual layer sensor sooner than later. I'm pretty sure this tech will improve image quality quite a bit.
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There is such a thing as Dual Sensor technology, but Sony Xperia 1 V which was announced this week (released 11 May) is the first in the world to offer this. It would be awesome if Apple gets access to this. It will be a game changer.

Kiwikat88 said:
Do we know for sure what the "main lens" on the 15 is going to be? Without that information, 3X is useless, while 72mm is objectively useful. 72mm is a great focal length for upper torso portraits or a picture of your pet. Most people probably don't have a clue what 3X even means- most probably assume it's something to do with making something 3X bigger in the frame or looking 3X closer. They just know that bigger number = better, yay marketing. It's nearly as bad as the megapixel race.
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I agree with you. It’s pointless to say x times zoom when we don’t know the focal length, for those that understand what focal length means. I suspect the majority of mobile phone photographers have no clue, and 2x zoom just means "I can get twice as close with this zoom". The problem is that photographers know that a larger focal length changes the perspective, where 72mm is a decent portrait focal length. Personally, my favourite lens for portraits is 70-200 f/2.8

However, having digital zoom of x4, or x6, x100 or even just x2 zoom is rubbish because it doesn’t change the perspective.

Kiwikat88 said:
This is a good example of why we need objective measurements for these things. This doesn't even make sense. The number of pixels has absolutely nothing to do with focal length or zoom.
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Pretty much. And you could easily have a lens that is 24mm x3, or 72mm x1 and they are different things.

Edit. I just re-read your previous post and you are pretty much saying this. I didn’t understand what you were saying the first time.
 
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