I agree. 77mm is much better for portraits than 120mm. You’re gonna have to stand faaaar away from your subject now with the 5x 120mm tele on the 15 Pro Max. I kinda hope they add a 4th lens next year and bring back the 77mm. So then you’d have a 13mm ultra wide, a 24mm standard lens, a 77mm tele portrait lens & a 120mm ultra tele lens for sports & wildlife.I kinda like the 3x, especially for portraits.
That’s because the masses don’t care about the optical zoom, hardly anyone uses it, apart from the geeks.
No one uses it, I’ve only ever used it twice in 10+ years.
Oh ok. Well, I guess since I do use optical zoom quite a bit, I must be "no one".
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lol, how does that even explain how zoom lenses work? What you said is only how the lens work, not a zoom lens. I told you, it's NOT an optical zoom. If not, where is the zoom lens with multiple focal length or why does it even have 3 lenses instead of one? I said where is the optical zoom lens? There is none on iPhone.Did you even do any research? Light is traveling through multiple lens surfaces just like in a traditional lens, they just happen to not all be in a straight line. Quality remains to be seen with testing, but it's absolutely optical.
Just like they do with the iPhone vs. iPhone Pro.If Apple does, as you describe, how would they differentiate an iPhone Ultra vs iPhone Pro? Currently, the only negligible difference between an S23 ultra and S23+ is the camera.
There's no point in trying to explain these things to people. The reality is, most people don't care. At some point, these 'specs' became norm and it is what it is now. For example, Apple advertises the main camera is 48MP 24mm f/1.78. We (photographers) know that's not true; or I've seen some manufacturer showing off sensor size with diagram of sensor and diagonal length showing XXmm; It's not just Apple - every other phone manufacturers do that.lol, how does that even explain how zoom lenses work? What you said is only how the lens work, not a zoom lens. I told you, it's NOT an optical zoom. If not, where is the zoom lens with multiple focal length or why does it even have 3 lenses instead of one? I said where is the optical zoom lens? There is none on iPhone.
You clearly missed the point.
I said, don't care does not mean it's ok to use misleading information. And what's up with the main camera? Do you know how lens perspective works base on the sensor size? I guess you don't.There's no point in trying to explain these things to people. The reality is, most people don't care. At some point, these 'specs' became norm and it is what it is now. For example, Apple advertises the main camera is 48MP 24mm f/1.78. We (photographers) know that's not true; or I've seen some manufacturer showing off sensor size with diagram of sensor and diagonal length showing XXmm; It's not just Apple - every other phone manufacturers do that.
I agree. The 5X lens really should have been a fourth camera on the ProMax.I wouldn't want it. Not if it means sacrificing the 77MM, which is a much more useful focal length for me. What they have done with the 15 Pro Max camera is completely bizarre to me. Also the main reason I am not upgrading.
Actually, that would be quite the news! I was expecting 16 Pro features to migrate to the 17, not the other way around! Is Apple introducing a Time Machine this year, too?News FlashCommon Sense: Features from iPhone 17 Pro and 17 Pro Max will expand to both the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus
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Why sound so condescending? You sound like you're the only one in the world with camera knowledge. I do too, as well as many others. I do know how lens perspective works based on sensor size. iphone does not have 28mm sensor. It's FF equivalent, which is an arbitrary number. It does not have 28mm AND f/1.78 lens. f/1.78 is the size of the aperture based on native focal length, not FF equivalent of 28mm. So it's misleading to say the lens is 28mm f/1.78. That said, at the end of the day, most of the people don't cares. If you want to complain about misleading information, why complain here? Make a formal complain to Apple.I said, don't care does not mean it's ok to use misleading information. And what's up with the main camera? Do you know how lens perspective works base on the sensor size? I guess you don't.
It’s the same as if I leave the house with three prime lenses for my camera. Still not a zoom.If you view the iPhone’s 3 lenses as a single “camera system”, can’t one argue that an optical change is taking place to achieve a zoom effect?
The Sony Xperia 1 IV has an actual 85-125mm optical zoom. That’s how zooms work on a smartphone.i know how optical zoom works on a traditional professional camera, but its clear you dont know how an optical zoom works at a smaller scale of course because physics on a smartphone like this one
Optical zoom on a old traditional camera is bye moving the lens and magnify the picture...
I mean, are your three prime lenses all built into one camera? I agree Apple is being a little slippery here, but we don’t have to pretend like there is no optical element to this.It’s the same as if I leave the house with three prime lenses for my camera. Still not a zoom.
Dude, it does NOT even zoom in or out. It's just a prime lens. Does it even mention the zoom range? It clearly not. It only says 120mm instead of 24-120mm.
Both tetraprism and periscope lens are only meant for making a telephoto lens, not a zoom lens.
Tetraprism = hardware lens.It's not an optical zoom, it's adigital zoom. Whoever disagrees means you know nothing about photography. Clearly, you are being fooled by Apple that using prime lenses with digital zoom is an optical zoom which is not.
I'm going to try the Max for a year. We'll set if I can deal with it. Might go back to regular Pro next year, especially if the cameras are the same in both (I do a lot of photography with mine).Downgrading sizes from 14 Pro Max to 15 Pro. Kept dropping it - too big for my hands. It’s too uncomfortable to use every day.
I weighed up the better camera aka 5x zoom and noted that I rarely if ever even used the 3x zoom so happy with my choice.
thats just the old technique used on an smartphone...The Sony Xperia 1 IV has an actual 85-125mm optical zoom. That’s how zooms work on a smartphone.