iPhone 15 Pro Max's 5x Optical Zoom Lens Rumored to Expand to Both iPhone 16 Pro Models

smulji said:
The only way an iPhone Ultra model makes sense, to me, is if Apple introduces a foldable iPhone.
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Yeah foldable is what I originally thought when the ‘Ultra’ moniker was flying around in rumors. I thought, yeah in a few years ‘Ultra’ will be like $1499-$1799 and be more experimental stuff like foldable where Apple wouldn’t know how many would buy it.

However, I’ve come to the realization that people will spend massive money for an iPhone to get the latest and greatest and therefore, if there were an iPhone Ultra at $1499 starting price, or even $1799, people would probably still buy it
 
msackey said:
Oh ok. Well, I guess since I do use optical zoom quite a bit, I must be "no one". :)

"Hello everybody! I'm nobody! Nice to meet you."

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99.9% of iPhone users don’t visit this forum, you do realise that don’t you? You and me would classify under the “geeks” category, no offence.
 
Apple should make removing the bump a high priority. I'd be happy to go up in overall thickness to reduce the bump. But the bump adds a solid 4 mm to the overall depth. It's a nasty design trade off that ruins the device if you look at it purely for design. The folded telephoto seems to do nothing towards this end.
 
Were there ever any rumors that both Pro models were gonna get 6x (not 5x) zoom next year or is that just something I dreamt up?
 
Let us check in September announcement next year on what are new on 16 pro and pro max. For me, I will not take seriously any rumors. Just enjoy reading it 😁
 
Cloudyskies22 said:
Yeah foldable is what I originally thought when the ‘Ultra’ moniker was flying around in rumors. I thought, yeah in a few years ‘Ultra’ will be like $1499-$1799 and be more experimental stuff like foldable where Apple wouldn’t know how many would buy it.

However, I’ve come to the realization that people will spend massive money for an iPhone to get the latest and greatest and therefore, if there were an iPhone Ultra at $1499 starting price, or even $1799, people would probably still buy it
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If Apple does, as you describe, how would they differentiate an iPhone Ultra vs iPhone Pro? Currently, the only negligible difference between an S23 ultra and S23+ is the camera.
 
The iPhone 16 is a YEAR AWAY and we are already talking about it? Hell, people haven’t even received their iPhone 15 phones yet. Some people really need to get a life. Unreal that adults would spend time chatting about a phone that’s over a year away. Lol
 
So what is the message? not buying the 15 pro because it "lacks power", wait for the 16 pro instead?, sigh...
iam so dissappointed about the 15 line up...thinking about going Android.
 
I feel like Apple intentionally is dragging out these updates to milk every last dollar they can out of us. They’re just slowly catching up to the specs Samsung has been putting out. I like iPhones and prefer them to Samsungs. I’ll probably only ever buy an iPhone. But it just pisses me off that Apple holds things back and slows down their development just so it can have something new to put in next year.
 
Zoom and ultrawide can be fun, but when the sensors are vastly inferior to the 1x/Wide lens sensor, it really doesn't make me want to use them very often. For me, what comes on the Max/Plus doesn't matter much, since I'll probably always get the smallest phone they offer as long as it has 1) best available main camera sensor and 2) 120hz screen. I want a mini half-pro with these features so badly.
 
MayaUser said:
when you have tetraprism design its clear not digital
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There is not and have never been a zoom lens in an iPhone - just marketing and false information - pure digital and software
www.dpreview.com

Apple's iPhone 15 and 15 Pro: Imaging tech examined

This year’s iPhone 15 camera story seems to be about megapixels - 48MP across the board - but it’s also as much about how Apple combines hardware with software to make photos that appeal to photographers and non-photographers alike.
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CatalinApple said:
I fear the same thing as you. I haven't ordered the iPhone 15 Pro yet because I am happy with my iPhone 13 Pro but I have a feeling that I will regret my decision next year when Apple will introduce the new iPhones at their annual Apple event. I wish they could do something without making the iPhone taller.
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Exactly why I’ll go for the 15 pro max. The 16 pro max will only get taller - 165 mm length instead of 160 mm - while the screen (nearly) won’t get any wider. No, thanks. It don’t need ever increasing aspect ratios without benefit.
 
"Apple rides a delicate line with its iPhone camera system. On the one hand, it wants to keep it as simple as possible to keep photographers “in the moment.” On the other hand, creators keep demanding more of the system. Two of Apple’s executives sit down with PetaPixel and explain how they navigate these two seemingly disparate goals."

petapixel.com

Apple Explains What the iPhone 15 Camera Can and Can't Do – and Why

Pulling back the curtain on design philosophy.
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Seems likely the only reason they're limiting it to the Pro Max is they don't have enough parts yet. Same thickness phone, I doubt space is an issue that couldn't be worked out.

Anyway, I think 5X is a good max telephoto for a phone, people saying it's not enough but you're not going to get stabilization good enough for more than that. You'd get closer, but it would result in worse-quality photos in anything but perfect lighting where a super-fast shutter speed could be used.
 
sunny5 said:
It's not an optical zoom, it's adigital zoom. Whoever disagrees means you know nothing about photography. Clearly, you are being fooled by Apple that using prime lenses with digital zoom is an optical zoom which is not.
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Did you even do any research? Light is traveling through multiple lens surfaces just like in a traditional lens, they just happen to not all be in a straight line. Quality remains to be seen with testing, but it's absolutely optical.
 
sunny5 said:
LOL, I'm a professional photographer and I know how cameras and lenses work. You only explaining how digital zoom works no matter if it's an old fashion way or not. If you wanna argue about using 3 lenses + digital zoom is a new optical zoom, then I highly doubt about what you are doing because that's still a digital zoom, not optical zoom. Having multiple lens in one camera still didn't consider as an optical zoom a while ago.

Also, if it's an optical zoom, how come iPhone has multiple lenses when a zoom lens can cover all focal lengths? This already disapprove your theory about your claim.

Let me clear about this: using 2~3 prime lenses + digital zoom is NOT an optical zoom. It's still a digital zoom no matter how you explain as an old fashion way or not because it does not zoom in and out optically.
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You should stop. I mean, you’re entirely correct. The issue is that many think the terms “zoom” and “telephoto” are interchangeable. Of course, they aren’t and using 2-3 fixed focal length lenses does not result in continuous optical zoom, as defined in cameras since there have been cameras.

The reason you should stop is that you are going to drive yourself mad if you continue. It’s not worth it.
 
jouster said:
You should stop. I mean, you’re entirely correct. The issue is that many think the terms “zoom” and “telephoto” are interchangeable. Of course, they aren’t and using 2-3 fixed focal length lenses does not result in continuous optical zoom, as defined in cameras since there have been cameras.

The reason you should stop is that you are going to drive yourself mad if you continue. It’s not worth it.
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I just finished selling back to BHPhoto about 40K of photography equipment. The traditional photographic terms are the wrong way to think in 2023. It comes down to how much information can be captured and how well is it processed.

The phones are already doing so much processing, multi image capture and merge etc, and it is only getting started.

That said it was an extremely misleading presentation.
 
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