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A nurse starts at £27K a year, a train driver earns £60 to £70K a year, you won't find many Aldi till operatives on that much. Whereas I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise,The NHS certainly deserve one, they have saved my life on a number of occasions, but to give any worker a 20% pay rise (which is what they are after) puts up inflation and costs those on lower wages so much more.
Yes anything to do with transportation cost increase will affect nearly all other prices
 
iPhones I’ve owned:

3G, 4, 4S, 5S, 6, 6S, 11P, 12PM, 13PM, 14PM … which I just sold for an SE 2020

They used to be exciting (remember the 4 leak), there used to be queues, they used to be years ahead of Android

I worked in an Apple Store 2010-11 so I remember clearly, the launches of the iPhone 4 and iPad 2 were absolute mayhem

Mediocrity has killed the industry. Apples soul died in 2011, now you have a once great company being run like a manufacturer of electrical commodities as opposed to products “that will change the world”

Apple wouldn’t have to manipulate prices to offset poor sales if they only sold great products and nothing else

Perfect post sums it all up, but that’s capitalism for you. So long as they make ever increasing record profits every quarter, they won’t change. Cook is more than happy to continue like this. I bet this AR / VR headset thing isn’t that ground breaking and costs at least 2 grand. Although I love my iPad Pro I have to say.
 
A nurse starts at £27K a year, a train driver earns £60 to £70K a year, you won't find many Aldi till operatives on that much. Whereas I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise,The NHS certainly deserve one, they have saved my life on a number of occasions, but to give any worker a 20% pay rise (which is what they are after) puts up inflation and costs those on lower wages so much more.

Aldi sales assistants are on £21,164 a year basic if they work full-time. They pay the highest along with Lidl of all the supermarkets as they pay £2 per hour (£11p/h) more than the national minimum wage. The job is more demanding though and it’s a difficult wage to live on in this day and age. Certainly not the sort of wage that enables you pay £1500 for an iPhone Pro.
 
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As an NHS worker, I have taken pay cuts over the years, effectively.

Don’t get me started on that disaster of a service, the way it’s been left to collapse is beyond comprehension. Needs complete reform, not more managers of pointless things. I have huge respect for those staying in the service saving lives, but not for the managers.
 
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Don’t get me started on that disaster of a service, the way it’s been left to collapse is behind comprehension. Needs complete reform, not more managers of pointless things. I have huge respect for those staying in the service saving lives, but not for the managers.
Yea what sad is the character of workers in service is also their weakness and businesses prey on it :(
 
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Aldi sales assistants are on £21,164 a year basic if they work full-time. They pay the highest along with Lidl of all the supermarkets as they pay £2 per hour (£11p/h) more than the national minimum wage. The job is more demanding though and it’s a difficult wage to live on in this day and age. Certainly not the sort of wage that enables you pay £1500 for an iPhone Pro.
Yep, fair point, scope to work overtime in all the jobs quoted, still low wages and any iPhone would be (potentially) out of reach with the pay we describe, especially when one has kids and they want what all their mates are carrying.
 
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The pay scale is totally out of whack in the US. No fast food employee with low skills and no certs or degrees should make 15 when people with higher skills certs and degrees are lucky to get 10 sometimes
Maybe the people with higher skill sets and degrees should demand better pay from their employers rather than looking down on people earning more than them in what they consider a low skilled job.

I'm not saying fast food requires a high skill set as ultimately you can train pretty much anyone to do the job.
However just because you can train people doesn't mean the person is actually capable of doing the job. I've worked in hospitality for nearly a decade (not fast food) and I've seen a lot of people come and go simply due to not being able to cope in the job. You can train someone but if they can't work fast enough or to a good enough standard they won't last in the industry.

I'd love to see some of the "highly skilled" people who think hospitality is easy to try working the job just to see them panic.
 
Yet demand will not suffer.
Sales in Japan, one of their absolute biggest iPhone fandoms, is down 69% last year since the heady heights of the iPhone 12 series.

I have still yet to see an iPhone 14 Pro in the wild over here.

I now know of only one person who has purchased an iPhone 14… the “cheapest” model to replace his iPhone 7. But the price was over DOUBLE what he originally paid for his iPhone 7.

Incredibly, it has the same amount of storage (64GB) as that 6+ year old phone.

“Can’t innovate, my ass!”
 
so, I don't get it. I thought Dynamic Island and USB C were going to come to the "standard" "less expensive" iPhone 15.
What are the features that will be exclusive to the iPhone 15 pro compared to the standard one? I guess the camera yes, but anything else?

Colour.
 
Maybe the people with higher skill sets and degrees should demand better pay from their employers rather than looking down on people earning more than them in what they consider a low skilled job.

I'm not saying fast food requires a high skill set as ultimately you can train pretty much anyone to do the job.
However just because you can train people doesn't mean the person is actually capable of doing the job. I've worked in hospitality for nearly a decade (not fast food) and I've seen a lot of people come and go simply due to not being able to cope in the job. You can train someone but if they can't work fast enough or to a good enough standard they won't last in the industry.

I'd love to see some of the "highly skilled" people who think hospitality is easy to try working the job just to see them panic.
I wouldn't even want to try today. Like 20-30 years ago i may have had two difficult customers at McD in four year and one in a few years at Weis. Those would probably be part of daily totals today
 
This argument is as valid as it isn’t, because everything develops with time. If not to stay relevant then to at least keep up with the competition if you want to stay afloat as a business. Times change, tech gets cheaper to make. Making an iPhone 4 now would cost them significantly less than it did back then. Personal value has definitely grown, but it has done so with other manufacturers’ offerings that have reasonable prices.
How about we used to pay for OS updates? Now free since Apple made a decision not to charge. and others followed.

Of course a iPhone would cost less now to make. That's progress and all the investment in development has been recovered. Pity house prices and food didnt follow the same pricing curves ;)
 
Pity house prices and food didnt follow the same pricing curves ;)

Speak for yourself. In Japan:

256GB iPhone 8 PLUS in 2017:
¥89,000
256 GB iPhone 11 PRO MAX in 2019:
¥110,000

256 GB iPhone 14 PRO MAX in 2023:
¥189,000

By that standard, house prices would be up 60% in three years.
 
Speak for yourself. In Japan:

256GB iPhone 8 PLUS in 2017:
¥89,000
256 GB iPhone 11 PRO MAX in 2019:
¥110,000

256 GB iPhone 14 PRO MAX in 2023:
¥189,000

By that standard, house prices would be up 60% in three years.
So what you are forgetting is the US dollar for some reason has strengthen heaps over time.
Factor that in.

10 years ago we could buy Apple products in Australia for less than US prices.
Now it's almost double.

The Japanese Yen has weakened significantly too, hasn't it, in that timeframe?
 
256 GB iPhone 11 PRO MAX in 2019:
¥110,000

256 GB iPhone 14 PRO MAX in 2023:
¥189,000

This is largely due to the decline of the Yen against the USD starting about two years ago, although it has been recovering a bit in recent months.

In 2019, the retail price of a 256GB iPhone 11 Pro Max was around ¥123,455 (excluding consumption tax) which at the time was equal to around $1,136 USD.

The retail price of a 256GB iPhone 14 Pro Max today is around ¥163,455 (excluding consumption tax) which is equal to around $1,252 USD right now.

The price in Japanese Yen is up a lot more due to weakness of the Yen.
 
It’s been reported the global smartphone market shrank 16% in Q4 of 2022, so its safe to say there is a growing number of consumers who aren’t prioritising upgrading their phones during a financial crisis. As prices rise with any manufacturer, that priority becomes even less of a need. Luxury purchases are always the segments that suffer when money is tight.
 
It’s been reported the global smartphone market shrank 16% in Q4 of 2022, so its safe to say there is a growing number of consumers who aren’t prioritising upgrading their phones during a financial crisis. As prices rise with any manufacturer, that priority becomes even less of a need. Luxury purchases are always the segments that suffer when money is tight.
I thought iPhones were essential? At least that’s one of the justifications for regulation since apparently people can’t live without their iPhones.
 
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