MrMojo1
macrumors 6502a
Any owner of a relatively good iPhone can just swap batteries to make it last longer.
Keeping my 13 Pro/Max for a few years as it's good and meets my needs.
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iPhone 15 Pro Models Rumored to Be More Expensive
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Keeping my 13 Pro/Max for a few years as it's good and meets my needs.
Fanboi4life
macrumors 6502
Apple doesn’t need to raise prices on their Pro line to make a profit. They make plenty of money.
They’re raising prices to be greedy and to pay more dividends to their shareholders.
Because yeah, capitalism…
They’re raising prices to be greedy and to pay more dividends to their shareholders.
Because yeah, capitalism…
The iPhone Pro in Europe starts from 1299 euros in Germany as an example…. And that should include the tax.
ackmondual
macrumors 68020
I could afford to buy a $1300-something iPhone. However, I've been plenty satisfied with Android phones that are 1/4 to 1/3 the price. Examples include a 5-year old LG G4 for $200, then $100 (both were used though. No dreaded boot-loop issues, but the camera eventually got blurry). A Google Pixel 4A for $350, and then a Google Pixel 6 for $500 (after $100 off). FWIW, iPhones do provide long support windows (although some caution getting more than 1 to 2 major iOS updates after what comes with each phone for performance reasons, despite the superior specs on iPhones), so you'll find some iPhone users holding on to their phones for not 2 to 4 years, but 4 to 6 years, if not longer!
I'm doing OK, but I always want to be saving $$ whenever I can for unforeseen future expenses and general planning.
EDIT: I'm dumb
VAT in Germany is 19%iPhone Pro starts at $999 US1 USD = 0.93 EUR
1299- 246.81 = 1052.19
1052.19 * 0.93 = 978.53
Europeans pay almost $22 less for a base iPhone 13 Pro.
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I saw some interesting videos of Kate about cameras. It was pointed out how the iPhone 14 Pro cameras are not as good as the 13 because they have massively increased the size and pixel count, but not adjusted the software compensation, so you get a lot of over enhanced photos. And it’s still not fixed. Google had the same problem but has now fixed it with the Pixel 6 especially the 6A, it is taking better photos then the iPhone Pro as a result. I’ve not used either phone so don’t personally know. But it’s food for thought.
iPhone 14 Pro is 999 dollars. Tax at 19% is 189.81 dollars. Ergo it is 1188.81 dollars.
XE converter states that is 1107.06 Euros. That makes the iPhone 14 Pro 191.94 Euros LESS in the US with tax then it costs in Germany. Using your 19%.
It costs £977.16 according to XE, that’s £121.84 cheaper in the US then the U.K.
You’re not calculating VAT right. It’s 19% of the base price. Not sale price.
€1299/1.19 = €1091.60 base price, which at current exchange rate is about 1171 USD. So at current exchange rate, Germans pay 172 USD more than US customers for an iPhone 14 pro.
No, they will include the cable, but they won’t include the iPhone this time.
We've had high inflation in the U.S. for over the year. If inflation was solely or primarily the cause of Apple's iPhone price increases, we would've seen price increases in the U.S. as well. Again, the price increases seen in Europe last year were largely due to the stronger USD. The USD was up about 17% or so against the Euro at the time of the 14's launch versus year before. Exchange rate fluctuations have also been known to effect other Apple prices e.g., App Store prices.
Octavius8
macrumors 65816
Same features as the 14, just new name, new old port, new number and a useless Ti frame warrant a price hike. Who cares about actual innovation or new features (behind the screen sensors to reduce/eliminate the island/notch?, finger print reader?, etc.
We get the iPhone we deserve.
We get the iPhone we deserve.
AFAIK VAT is included in the price. If it is, my math is sound. If it isn’t, then I apologize.
The iPhone X was priced at $999 (64GB) and $1,149 (256GB). Five years later, the price of an iPhone 14 Pro (which is larger than the X and with more capabilities) with 256GB is actually $50 less at $1,099.
No I am not, German pricing includes tax. As do U.K. prices. It is more expensive and that is a fact. You cannot buy a product without tax unless you put it through as a business purchase and claim the VAT back. And NO consumer does that. You are deliberately reducing the actual retail price of the iPhone to fit your narrative and it’s wrong.
It’s because Americans are so used to thinking of the sales price as a separate thing to the tax. Where as in Europe tax is usually always included in the sales price so we never think of a price behind the retail price because tax is included, we don’t have to work it out later.
Tax is not an optional thing.
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This does not matter to the average Joe in Europe. He still earns the same amount of money
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
Well the 14 Pro was already too expensive and was taking the mick so I guess it’s time to consider other options? I don’t need to upgrade until 2024 so it’s not going to concern me much yet. If Apple think I’m going to be paying around £1500 for an iPhone then that’s fine, i’ll get a Pixel. It’s getting a bit ridiculous and especially as things like Siri are appalling and Google are now putting better cameras in phones that are £749.
Precisely. I know how prices in Germany and Europe work (I live in Europe). But you are calculating VAT as 19% of the sale price, when it reality it’s 19% of the base price (exclusive of tax).
Just checked the Portuguese Apple website. iPhone 14 pro is 1349€. Of those, and according to Apple, €268 is taxes. That means the price without tax is 1081€, or 1160 USD
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No, 999 dollars, that’s in the US and in the US you have to add on tax on top of that price.
Probably that Apple have a more desirable product in high demand so decided they didn’t need to swallow a reduction in margin to keep their product a desirable, high demand product.
Google likely don’t have quite that luxury as their products are less desirable and likely in less demand.
It’s beginning to look like that. Hmm I need a new iPhone at some point. IMO iOS 16 on my XR is a bit of a mess. Lags a bit now.
No, I am calculating 19% of 999 dollars, I’m not adding a thing to the U.K. or Euro prices. You are trying to remove tax off the prices to try and make a point which is ridiculous as you can’t choose to pay tax or not as a consumer, well I guess the mega rich can.
Yeah I was dumb... My brain apparently failed me.
Base price in Germany would be €1091.60. Adjusting for currency values puts it at $1015.88 USD.
So only a $15 increase over what US customers pay. That said, 19% is seemingly the lowest VAT rate in the EU. For countries where it's higher, Europeans could still end up paying less than US customers.
But only when it's in their favor. When it's the other way around we don't see a price decline.
Prices are ridiculous now for the 14 series.
Better get a 13Pro or just an Android phone actually. It's getting absurd
compwiz1202
macrumors 604
Yea everyone already has an iPhone already
Jay-Jacob
macrumors 6502a
Pro don't need be more expensive. It already expensive enough. Make non-pro and pro gap bigger then just drop price for non-pro iPhone, they already expensive. Price going up up up up each year (I think there just once price did drop, very rare).
If non-pro get more expensive then I may keep my iPhone 4th year first time ever! I did 3rd year once and it was awful on 3rd year with such low battery running out too fast. Hopefully my current iPhone be better on 3rd year (so far it is).
If non-pro get more expensive then I may keep my iPhone 4th year first time ever! I did 3rd year once and it was awful on 3rd year with such low battery running out too fast. Hopefully my current iPhone be better on 3rd year (so far it is).