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I think Apple needs to seriously consider knocking off the yearly release cycle. They've gotten to the point where the "new" features are single digits. CPU/Camera/Screen have been at the "good enough" stage for years now.

I'd love to see an 18-24 month release between phones. They can use the extra year to really squash some bugs on the iOS (and macOS) sides.
While I agree that there isn't that much to see from year to year I would say that the people developing new phones aren't the ones (and couldn't be even if everyone wanted) squashing bugs.
 
I've been saying this for a couple years now. The problem is the financing deals that make it too easy for people to spend money they don't have with a company that could easily survive on lower margins.

All of these phones have gotten so expensive, while also being mainstreamed into society, such that everybody feels the need to finance a phone they can't afford in the way middle class folks only ever needed to finance a car or a house. Now the smartphone is, yet another, "thing" that the average person will need to finance in order to purchase.

Few people "need" the Pro models, but because they are artificially made affordable they sell well. And given how people treat their phones and how fast the technology evolves, it's not even something like a car that you can repair to keep running for a decade or longer. We just saw non-VoLTE phones, which were available to buy until around 2015, getting shut off when carriers shut down UMTS and CDMA over the past year. Most people might not want to use a 7-year-old phone; but even if you can replace the battery and repair parts that break, software updates (including security fixes) end by then and the cellular tech is sunset rendering the phone useless out in the world, so it's not even an option when the technology changes that rapidly.

The solution is for people to stop buying as frequently and to stop buying the big expensive models, even when 2-3 year 0% interest financing is offered. Apple needs to see actual sales declines to start reacting -- it's the only way they'll make a change to their pricing strategy.
Disagree. The REASON apple has increased prices and shifted to this strategy is simply BECAUSE folks have slowed their purchasing down and don’t upgrade. When folks do that, they are willing to pay more because it is held onto longer. I still don’t think $1,000 is that much for a device I use more than anything else I own - including cars - for 3-4 years. Per penny, it’s far more useful than numerous other luxuries we buy.

You do you, but if apple was releasing devices that were advancing by leaps and bounds, folks would upgrade more often which would allow apple to drop prices a bit - or avoid raising them.
 
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And that's precisely why prices continue to rise. In today's world most people don't have a pot to piss in so they just finance it. If you add a $100 to the price of the phone that equates to an extra $4.16 per month. That is the secret sauce of selling add-ons to a car. Just add extras and fold it into the finance price.
It think it should be reworded. If you can't afford to buy it straight out, don't finance it. Maybe you'll invest it over those 36mos.
 
I remember reading (possibly on MR) back in 2008-2009 an apple executive quoted as saying they expect consumers to lengthen the time they hold their apple devices, but not jump ship to competitors. I'm sure this is still true today.
 
So when the 13 Mini doesn't sell as well as they expected, it is because "no one wants a small phone." But when the replacement and ideological opposite, the 14 Plus, doesn't sell well, it's because of the pricing? 🤣 And now rather than give up on the 14 Plus model and simplify their product line, they're going to raise the prices of the already more expensive Pro line? All aspects of this are head scratchers.
 
I would expect so. There's nine months of inflation between now and then.
 
Inflation rates have always been the cause. Apple just used currency as an excuse and didn't want to raise US prices. They literally raised prices in most regions outside the US.

Yet Apple will still just as they did this year announce record profits.

You can't blame inflation as there has been high inflation in the U.S. yet iPhone prices were not increased. Currency exchange rates are much more to blame in this case. The USD was about 17% or so stronger against the Euro at the time of iPhone 14 launch in September (versus year before) and this is largerly responsible for the higher prices in Euro countries.
 
Well, that’s one way to “further differentiate the models”.

Lol
 
I owed every gen iPhone since 2007 when the first one came out. 14 series was the first I skipped. My 13 Pro is still great and recent gens, the updates are so minimal. 15 will have a USB-C jack (which I think is great and well overdue). But what else will a 15 or 16 do for that matter that I can't do with my 13 Pro? (I know, I sound like a Progressive commercial and turning into my parents).

With the price increases and trade-in incentives being trash, unless you are jumping from carrier to carrier, I see iPhones now stretching to at least a 3-year upgrade interval.
 
According to a rumor from an unverified source on Weibo, Apple will increase the price of this year's iPhone 15 Pro models to widen the gap with the iPhone 15 Plus. The extent of the potential price hike is not yet clear. The iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max start at $999 and $1,099, meaning that any price increase would put both high-end iPhone models north of $1,000 for the first time.
How about selling them with cheaper components on the lower end models so you can have a wider price gap from the iPhone Pro’s?
 
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I owed every gen iPhone since 2007 when the first one came out. 14 series was the first I skipped. My 13 Pro is still great and recent gens, the updates are so minimal. 15 will have a USB-C jack (which I think is great and well overdue). But what else will a 15 or 16 do for that matter that I can't do with my 13 Pro? (I know, I sound like a Progressive commercial and turning into my parents).

With the price increases and trade-in incentives being trash, unless you are jumping from carrier to carrier, I see iPhones now stretching to at least a 3-year upgrade interval.
Honestly I would say most people upgrade every 3-5 years. It seems like since the iPhone 12, the improvements each year have been so minuscule. I'm still using my iPhone X which I love, everything runs perfect, besides not the best battery life and sometimes slow FaceID. I really don't have any incentive to upgrade without a major change like USB-C.
 
Is it a rumor when we have ongoing record inflation? Everything is going up every year. Until inflation slows. That’s the new world. That’s not a rumor.
 
If you have to finance it, don't buy it.

The thing is, the availability of this financing is needlessly driving up prices for everybody. It's not about whether you have to finance it to afford it, though there is another discussion that could be had about that.

The problem is that even those of us who can afford these prices are paying more because of a broken system that artificially inflates the cost of the devices whether you're financing or not. If Apple was forced to sell the iPhone for what the market can actually bear for a smartphone, the price would be lower for everybody.

And that's precisely why prices continue to rise. In today's world most people don't have a pot to piss in so they just finance it. If you add a $100 to the price of the phone that equates to an extra $4.16 per month. That is the secret sauce of selling add-ons to a car. Just add extras and fold it into the finance price.

You do realize the upgrade program wasn’t created for financing a phone right?

The program is supposed to be a leasing program for those who want to be on the latest phone always.

Now before you tell me how to life my life and what I do and do not need just don’t and maybe go complain on a car forum for the same thing.

I could buy a new pro model every year cash and put my old phone in a drawer.

I could sell my old phone every year and worry about the headache of being ripped off.

Or I can lease my phone and always have the latest model with warranty and spend 50% less than buying outright.

Apple being greedy and charging more has nothing to do with it. Sitting around complaining when Samsung and other are doing the same thing is laughable.

I don’t miss the days of paying 100 bucks extra to buy my off contract phone at Best Buy each year waiting in line then having to find a trusted buyer to get rid of my old device. I don’t miss having a drawer of old devices collecting dust because it wasn’t worth the hassle of selling it.
 
Up until 2012, I was OK with Apple pricing. However, as the quality and reliability of their software continued to slide downhill, its more difficult to justify the premium. In fact, I’m currently running a 12Max, AirPods, M1 iPad, Apple Watch, Apple TV, and nine HomePods.

The products I use most often is Google Nest Hub x3, Google Doorbell, and Google Outdoor camera. All of my Google products work flawlessly, but I haven’t been able to say that about my Apple products in nearly a decade. So, by this metric of cost vs. value, Apple has essentially priced me out of the market. 🤷‍♂️
 
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