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But but but... Apple lead me to believe they made their own cameras? At least their consumers act like they do?

It's not that black-and-white. Apple does indeed design every aspect of their finished products, but they don't reinvent every single wheel. They utilizing technology from other vendors, having components designed to their exact specifications. They are *not* buying off-the-shelf components like so many would like you to believe. They aren't buying some ready-made sensors aren't slapping them into iPhones.
 
i disagree, canon 5d mark iv is the best in that price segment.
I don't recall a price segment even being mentioned in the post. Plus it is all subjective
I don't think @Bawstun stated any particular price segment or Sony camera model tho?
I was going to make this exact comment!

@ilikewhey let us not start the ever so tiring camera war. You pretty much cannot go wrong with any major camera camera company today
 
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Who are “most other people”? Android customers?
“Normies” aka People like my sisters or my wife or parents or whoever else that don’t care about specs such as RAM, usb-c, nanometer process utilized, camera megapixels, promotion, usb or thunderbolt transfer speeds, etc.
 
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“Normies” aka People like my sisters or my wife or parents or whoever else that don’t care about specs such as RAM, usb-c, nanometer process utilized, camera megapixels, promotion, usb or thunderbolt transfer speeds, etc.
People do care about functions; the specs allow those functions. I upgrade on functions, not specs.
 
the 48MP sensor in the current 14 Pro series is already producing by far the best phone images in decent lighting (only in 48MP Raw mode), so I see this advancement as extending that best in class true 48MP capability and bringing it to lower light. However, they need to focus more on the signal processing in portrait mode (isolate individual hairs in the portrait cutout), signal processing and features for astrophotography, and use better sensors/lenses in the telephoto and ultrawide for the next “ultra” phone.

Side note - I find it disappointing how they only have a 48MP Raw mode and not a 48MP HEIC mode. 48MP Raws are so big and Apple could make an equally pleasing HEIC image that’s much smaller but has less editing flexibility. I think they’re primarily not doing this because it would take a lot of time for each shot and they want the standard shooting to be extremely fast.
 
the 48MP sensor in the current 14 Pro series is already producing by far the best phone images in decent lighting (only in 48MP Raw mode), so I see this advancement as extending that best in class true 48MP capability and bringing it to lower light. However, they need to focus more on the signal processing in portrait mode (isolate individual hairs in the portrait cutout), signal processing and features for astrophotography, and use better sensors/lenses in the telephoto and ultrawide for the next “ultra” phone.

Side note - I find it disappointing how they only have a 48MP Raw mode and not a 48MP HEIC mode. 48MP Raws are so big and Apple could make an equally pleasing HEIC image that’s much smaller but has less editing flexibility. I think they’re primarily not doing this because it would take a lot of time for each shot and they want the standard shooting to be extremely fast.
i think 48MP Raw takes that long time because of the size. Compressed should be fast, but how does 48MP HEIC compare against 12MP pixel binned HEIC? Does it make sense?
Or apple wants to give the “true 48MP” capability for next iphone generations.
 
i think 48MP Raw takes that long time because of the size. Compressed should be fast, but how does 48MP HEIC compare against 12MP pixel binned HEIC? Does it make sense?
Or apple wants to give the “true 48MP” capability for next iphone generations.
If you take a 48MP pro Raw (90MB), then post-process compress it to 48MP HEIC (6-8MB), you get a significantly sharper and better image than if you just take the pixel binned 12MP shot(1.5MB). I bet there’s a way to make a shortcut that automates this, but it would be kinda clunky.

Another improvement I’d like to see for the next iteration is improved standard image options that, besides the ability to take 48MP HEIC, includes options to upgrade the “Live Photo” functionality to higher frame rate or resolution and smarter Live Photo editing (ability to change the bounce point, the loop points, or the motion blur amount in long exposure).
 
iPhone 15 will get a better camera shock
I do hope it will. In some iterations, there were absolutely no improvements - for example, with the UAW camera between the 11 and 12 models (all of them had the same cr@ppy camera).
 
I don’t know why the iPhone still takes these weird low detail/smudgey looking pics, especially in low light.
This has a lot to do with the noise reduction algorithm that Apple uses, which is horrible. That's what renders those watercolor-like smudgy details when zoomed into low-light shots. Some third party camera apps let you bypass Apple's algorithms, but that also means you don't get Apple's HDR or Deep Fusion processing either (which for some shots isn't a bad thing!)
 
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If you take a 48MP pro Raw (90MB), then post-process compress it to 48MP HEIC (6-8MB), you get a significantly sharper and better image than if you just take the pixel binned 12MP shot(1.5MB). I bet there’s a way to make a shortcut that automates this, but it would be kinda clunky.

Another improvement I’d like to see for the next iteration is improved standard image options that, besides the ability to take 48MP HEIC, includes options to upgrade the “Live Photo” functionality to higher frame rate or resolution and smarter Live Photo editing (ability to change the bounce point, the loop points, or the motion blur amount in long exposure).
the 48MP sensor in the current 14 Pro series is already producing by far the best phone images in decent lighting (only in 48MP Raw mode), so I see this advancement as extending that best in class true 48MP capability and bringing it to lower light. However, they need to focus more on the signal processing in portrait mode (isolate individual hairs in the portrait cutout), signal processing and features for astrophotography, and use better sensors/lenses in the telephoto and ultrawide for the next “ultra” phone.

Side note - I find it disappointing how they only have a 48MP Raw mode and not a 48MP HEIC mode. 48MP Raws are so big and Apple could make an equally pleasing HEIC image that’s much smaller but has less editing flexibility. I think they’re primarily not doing this because it would take a lot of time for each shot and they want the standard shooting to be extremely fast.
I don't understand why it's not there. I have a 1 TB model so it's ok for me, but I completely agree with you.
 
With all the riots in China, people are having trouble getting their hands on iphone 14 pro.

Anyway, a CCD (sensor) is only as good as the optics. Hopefully the optics can take advantage of the CCD.
Well, based on the excellent quality of the iP14Pro's main camera's lens (it IS capable of resolving prolly even 48 Mpixels, at least not in the extreme corners), I have high hopes.
 
Night videos are like recording with a potato. Alas, sensor’s will always be limited at that size.
 
i disagree, canon 5d mark iv is the best in that price segment.
The 5DMk4 is 6-year-old technolology. A great camera, and might have been the best in its class in 2016, but it's very outdated now. There are many cameras with better sensors that are lighter and cheaper now. Several of them from Sony. And Canon, for that matter.
 
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If they don't make a phone for men or women who don't typically carry purses, who cares? I'll carry a proper camera before I'll walk around with a cafeteria tray masquerading as a phone.
 
We’re getting to the point where the iPhone can do just as well as a professional camera with the only difference being the lens.

This is still a few years out but we may see some pros begin to use their phone as their “b-cam”.

My 13 Pro still does not compare to even my A7siii and no where near the FX9, but we’ve already passed the point where I will now include b-roll footage shot by an amateur on their phone. We are living in amazing times for tech.
..Seriously?

I agree that the iPhone's camera is really good, but to say that it "does just as well as" an A7S III, is a huge stretch... Phone cameras have their place in the videography industry for sure, but surely not as a professional camera... It definitely can try to emulate a professional "look" but only in the right conditions and environment, with a lot of additional gear that is used by an experienced person who knows how to enhance the footage from it. And even then, it won't compare at all when it comes to output or the amount of post-work you can do to the footage without losing quality.

So no, it's not just "the lens" that differentiates the two... Not even close.
 
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Lightroom is a good app for RAW capture/editing.
Lightroom's camera does not compare to ProCamera or Halide. These are dedicated apps with carefully thought out ergonomics.
Also - for whatever reason, the 14 pro max raws come out very dark on it. Need to autoboost them - not a huge deal, but odd.
As your overall DAM and raw processor it is very good, but ties you into the Adobe universe, for better or worse.
 
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