iPhone 15 USB-C Cables Again Said to Be Limited to USB 2.0 Transfer Speeds

[tripsync]

That’s the equivalent of „leave the country“ and doesn’t solve anything

Changing a phone based on a charge port is equivalent to packing up all of your items, forcing your kids to change schools, finding a new job, finding a new house, saying good bye to all of your favorite shops and restaurants, applying for a visa, applying for a new license to drive, and etc...?

That's an extraordinary argument.

 

[compwiz1202]

Also introducing the "Apple USB Cable Pro"

Packaged with the Ultra Cable Polishing Cloth for a grand total of only $149.99

 

[makitango]

Your all over the place here. Cables and transfers? We are talking about connectors. The lightning connector was said would last 10 years when it was released. What would have replaced it? We don't know because the EU has decided they know better.

(And to be clear, USB-C is almost 10 years old itself. It hasn't been improved either.)


Again, I'll assume that we are still talking about connectors. For me, lightning was a better connector, but I only use it occasionally for charging.

In general, we won't know anytime soon because it's pointless to spend money developing one.

We are talking about cables here, you brought up the connector. Of which Lightning has nothing to offer that stands out other than being proprietary and powercreeping any cables that are not MFI-kissed.
USB-C has improved upon all that it contains, Lightning has had zero, so your argument doesn‘t stand. We don‘t need the EU to tell us this because everyone knows about all the shortcomings of Lightning and Apple‘s unwillingness or inability (or both?) to improve it.

You can hate the EU and call its decisions stupid but it won‘t change the fact that you will find very few if any actual physically existent EU citizens who are against this. Which is why they did it.

 

[citysnaps]

Huh? Don’t get what you are saying

Many people here who are unhappy with Apple products/policies/decisions/etc believe flinging inane/juvenile remarks at Apple here will somehow be read and respected by Apple management and thus cause whatever they're unhappy about to be addressed, and as you put it, "solved."

Much better to write Craig Federighi a thoughtful letter.

 

[Abazigal]

Anyone still believe Apple caring about user experience more than money? These are Android cheap a.. strategies.

There’s a reason why I am still all-in on the Apple ecosystem. A lot of these “Apple is greedy” threads just strike me as nothing more than concern trolling and stoking controversy for the sake of controversy.

Apple could include a thunderbolt cable with their iPhone and people would likely still criticise them for not making the cable long enough for some imagined use case.

That’s why I say - the best solution is still to remove the charging cable altogether, and let consumers decide on their preferred mode of charging at the time of purchase. MagSafe or wired. The choice is entirely theirs, and nobody ends up being saddled with a cable they don’t want or need.

 

[makitango]

There’s a reason why I am still all-in on the Apple ecosystem. A lot of these “Apple is greedy” threads just strike me as nothing more than concern trolling and stoking controversy for the sake of controversy.

Apple could include a thunderbolt cable with their iPhone and people would likely still criticise them for not making the cable long enough for some imagined use case.

That’s why I say - the best solution is still to remove the charging cable altogether, and let consumers decide on their preferred mode of charging at the time of purchase. MagSafe or wired. The choice is entirely theirs, and nobody ends up being saddled with a cable they don’t want or need.

I would welcome the removal of the cable if Apple were to remove the price from said devices that they charge (hehe) for the cable.
But we all know better

 

[Abazigal]

I would welcome the removal of the cable if Apple were to remove the price from said devices that they charge (hehe) for the cable.
But we all know better

How do we know whether the removal of the cable hasn’t prevented what might otherwise have been a greater increase in the price of the next iPhone?

 

[Ho Tai]

If I buy a MFI cable today, is it somehow more capable than a non-MFI cable, for example the subject of this article? I thought that MFI just meant it was approved by Apple as meeting some quality standards. And for Apple to sell a non-MFI cable makes no sense to me. ???

 

[Damian83]

For me, it's totally fine. I don't even remember the last time I had to use a cable to transfer any data from/to my iPhone. For those who are transferring GBs of photos or videos, there will be (hope so) Pro versions with much higher speeds. For me, being a citizen of EU, the most important thing is to keep prices of base models as low as possible. Otherwise, I'm gonna get a Pixel and say goodbye to Apple ecosystem.

Of course u dont remember last time u used cable to transfer data! its the same for me, i even stopped to backup my iphone and i do it maybe once per year! why? because it takes a loooot of time. if i had 5gbps speed maybe ill back to do it regularly!

 

[macduke]

How many people have plugged their iPhones into a computer since Apple stopped requiring iTunes? I don't think I have, except to charge. The nerds on the forums are in the minority.

What I want is a color matched MagSafe charger with a braided cable that can charge at 20-30W instead of 15W and has a longer cable. Failing that, I just want a MagSafe charger with a longer cable.

 

[paradox00]

How many people have plugged their iPhones into a computer since Apple stopped requiring iTunes? I don't think I have, except to charge. The nerds on the forums are in the minority.

What I want is a color matched MagSafe charger with a braided cable that can charge at 20-30W instead of 15W and has a longer cable. Failing that, I just want a MagSafe charger with a longer cable.

I'd locally back up if speeds were quicker than USB 2.

I have Google One that backs up my photos, so I don't really need a paid tier of iCloud, but backing up and restoring over USB 2 is a PITA. It's obviously in Apple's best interest to make local back up as annoying as possible, so it's not really fair to ask how many people plug into a computer when Apple is purposely making it bad. The numbers would be different if the experience was good.

 

[gund1234]

Anyone still believe Apple caring about user experience more than money? These are Android cheap a.. strategies.

When was the last time you transferred data to/from phone using Lightning ?
99.5% people didn't do it in last 5 years.
So why waste money.

 

[gund1234]

2.0 in 2023, truly innovative and worth premium price.

When was the last time you transferred data using lightning ?

 

[gund1234]

Lot of unhappy customers here.
When was the last time you all transferred data to/from iPhone using lightning ?
99.99% of the people here didn't connect phone to laptop using lightning in last 5 years.
We all need to understand that if Apple is giving Thunderbolt cable with iPhone they are not giving it for free, we are paying for it, Apple won't reduce their profit margins.

 

[gund1234]

We are talking about cables here, you brought up the connector. Of which Lightning has nothing to offer that stands out other than being proprietary and powercreeping any cables that are not MFI-kissed.
USB-C has improved upon all that it contains, Lightning has had zero, so your argument doesn‘t stand. We don‘t need the EU to tell us this because everyone knows about all the shortcomings of Lightning and Apple‘s unwillingness or inability (or both?) to improve it.

You can hate the EU and call its decisions stupid but it won‘t change the fact that you will find very few if any actual physically existent EU citizens who are against this. Which is why they did it.

government shouldn't dictate what port to use in a phone, because politicians don't know about technology.
My problem with EU saying USB C is the standard is we won't have new port for ever, this is it.
Imagine what would have happened if EU said Micro USB (they actually tried, Apple refused) is the standard port in all mobile devices, we wouldn't have USB C.
If Apple & Intel didn't develop Thunderbolt technology USB would be still at USB 2.0 speeds. and we would still be using USB A, Micro, Mini.
but now we will be struck with USB C for like another 20 years.

 

[gund1234]

Of course u dont remember last time u used cable to transfer data! its the same for me, i even stopped to backup my iphone and i do it maybe once per year! why? because it takes a loooot of time. if i had 5gbps speed maybe ill back to do it regularly!

People think that Apple would have given away thunderbolt 4 cable for free with iPhone, what they don;t know is we will be paying for everything, including packaging and shipping (even though it is "Free").

 

[gund1234]

It's enough for me but it shouldn't be enough for Apple. That's not even pocket change. If you're Apple $2.3 million is what you find underneath a seat cushion when you're cleaning out the couch.

Apple is not a charity, and shareholders won't be happy.
Just because Apple is $3T company that doesn't mean that they just raise employee wages by 50%.

 

[gund1234]

You‘re saying they have no understanding, as if they don‘t have groups who do the deep dives. That‘s just speculation and the fact that you have numerous people here NOT being on Apple‘s side with this tells me you just try to move their posts away from the recent ones.
USB-C is a connector standard, and by everyone using that standard which does not limit anything that Apple does or wants to do this is by definition the best for everyone, because everyone can use said cables for at least charging, and data as well unless some greedy companies like Apple intentionally f*** up the cable like with the MFI ramifications. Or by being cheap with going back to 2001 USB speeds based on their decision.

This could also get regulated and every consumer could benefit from it, yet they leave that freedom to the companies and here you see clearly what you get when you let Apple do whatever they want. People get upset and the apologists come to the rescue and say „yeah but others do it too/no one uses the cable for data“.
If that were the case, maybe just remove the data part. But maybe that‘s actually not the case.

You could just as much say „no one uses the iPhone mini“.

Also, no one is codifying anything, and no one says that all iPhones must have x. No one is saying this is forever. You just invent scenarios to inflate your argument.

All the EU does is say that if you want to sell your device on their premises, the cable has to have a certain form factor, just like a power adapter. You‘re not getting an EU power adapter in your NA iToy and you are not getting an NA power adapter in your EU version, and it makes totally sense. We are having the advantage that the cable world already has a compatible standard which is why they acted. And they acted because people in the EU want the nonsense cable production and waste gone. If you are at any given social event and someone has a phone, the question is always whether or not you have an iPhone or else, and that nuissance will be gone.
If I invite you into my home, you also can‘t do everything you want. It‘s just the same.

i wish EU made Mini USB cable as standard, that would have been fun, we would never get USB C.
If Apple and Intel didn't develop Thunderbolt then we would still be struck with USB 2.1.5 standard with slow speeds.
When was the last time you connected your phone to transfer data ? probably never so USB 2.0, 3.0, thunderbolt 5 doesn't matter.

 

[gund1234]

I have an iPhone 12 Pro Max that I got at launch. I don't think I've ever transferred anything over the cable. Back in 2010? Yeah I did it all the time. Now? Nope. AirDrop, iCloud, Dropbox, GoogleDrive and pretty much everything else all sync through the web. I bet the percentage of users who would actually benefit from 3.0 speeds is less than 1%.

But but but i want Thunderbolt 5 on my phone i keep my phone connected to my laptop and transfer data all the time.

 

[gund1234]

It’s just downright greedy. We all know MFI only exists to line apples pockets, and the fact the iPhone has resisted type c for this long, especially now that ALL their devices have it, is atrocious. Apple always prides themselves on their green impact, but when you look below the surface you have crap like this and deliberately hard to repair devices

Heard that MiFi makes Apple like 50% of their revenue, that's lot of money.
How dare a company make money by selling products, they are supposed to be a charity serving people and making the technology open source so that the whole society can benefit.

 

[Dephtones]

malicious compliance

 

[TracesOfArsenic]

Apple doing the bare minimum as usual. Those "pro" phones really do blow.

 

[spcopsmac21]

Don’t pat yourself on the back too hard. All I’ve seen from you on this topic are flimsy arguments that don’t hold up to light scrutiny. For example, I don’t know why you think people will replace usb 2 cables with usb 3 cables when it’s most likely going to be the iPhone chipset limiting the port to USB 2 speeds, not the cable. Getting a USB 3 cable won’t change that.

It’s also not the EUs fault that Apple didn’t transition 5+ years ago when they should have (when MacBooks transitioned). Any resulting ewaste problem resides on Apple’s lap for maintaining a proprietary standard longer than it made sense.

It also won’t be the EUs fault if Apple adopts a portless phone before the Qi2 standard is finalized (and magsafe possibly becomes obsolete).

In this case, the EU is only acting because companies like Apple haven’t, despite having ample time to do so.

Yea I do not want a portless phone. I don’t want to set my phone on a pad, I don’t want to have this magnetic chunk hanging on the back for dear life. I use my device when it’s plugged in quite often. A portless device would be a device I do not buy. Apples eco system isn’t as luxurious as it once was. It’s been copied and reproduced by Samsung and google. Of which are just as or in most cases more capable and for less money. Competition has had a decade to catch up with apple. And they have marvelously. Call me old. But I’m old and I have money. Flashy buzzwords really don’t phase me anymore. And I find myself spending less and less with apple every day.

 

[spcopsmac21]

A 9.72GB file transfer would take around 3 minutes at 490 Mbs.


If you are regularly transferring 20GB files that you need immediate access to, then wired is certainly the way to go.

You are correct. But the iPhone via Bluetooth can not process the data as fast as my internet. It has to compress and send. I wish my phone transferred data that fast. But it doesn’t.

 

[spcopsmac21]

I can airdrop something faster when I arrive home than you can with with a cable. I tap a shortcut to begin airdrop via wifi7 before I get out of my car and will likely finish a medium sized file before you get home to plugin via cable.

Sure a few hundred megabytes. In a city with 5GUW. But most of us don’t have access to that. And if we do it’s in the city and usually slower than LTE because every human in the area is using it at the same time.