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USB-C requires a minimum of 60W (3A @ 20V) capability. All compliant USB-C cables must support this. (That's much better than Lightning which is limited to 18W!)

I said "if". You didn't really answer the question.

The EU regulations have nothing at all to do with data transfer. It's about charging.

Never stated it did. You're putting words in my mouth. Please reread what I've said carefully.
 
If it's true, it's not because Apple care about saving 1 cent, it's because they want to gimp the base models to upsell the Pros.
 
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By reusing the billions of perfectly functional lightning cables until the iPhone goes portless.
The new phones were coming with cables anyway, the only difference is the connector, which is now a universal standard.

You could state your case better with appliances equipped with lightning, if those still exist. I remember having a perfectly functional 30 pin speaker that is now useless. Well, not really, it has a line-in.
 
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If it's true, it's not because Apple care about saving 1 cent, it's because they want to gimp the base models to upsell the Pros.
I’m sure the masses are scrambling to plug in their phones as quickly as possible 🙄
 
government shouldn't dictate what port to use in a phone, because politicians don't know about technology.
My problem with EU saying USB C is the standard is we won't have new port for ever, this is it.
Did you see this in your magic glass or had some funny substance added to your tea?
Also, unless you can prove otherwise, they are just executing our votes. Everyone I know is for this, and I live in the EU. Even you living here and not being affiliated with the social media squad wouldn‘t change the fact that people here want this. And this is just about our region. You don‘t get to decide what we do here.
Lot of unhappy customers here.
When was the last time you all transferred data to/from iPhone using lightning ?
99.99% of the people here didn't connect phone to laptop using lightning in last 5 years.
We all need to understand that if Apple is giving Thunderbolt cable with iPhone they are not giving it for free, we are paying for it, Apple won't reduce their profit margins.
Can you show the data of your magic numbers or is this just you trying to sound knowledgeable while in fact you don‘t possess the knowledge behind such statements?
i wish EU made Mini USB cable as standard, that would have been fun, we would never get USB C.
If Apple and Intel didn't develop Thunderbolt then we would still be struck with USB 2.1.5 standard with slow speeds.
When was the last time you connected your phone to transfer data ? probably never so USB 2.0, 3.0, thunderbolt 5 doesn't matter.
You are mixing up connectors while also adding your prophecy/conspiracy that here in the EU we would stick to an unfeasible format. Newsflash: We don‘t. Actually, the EU is supporting tech developments in largely every division in many ways.

It is barely understandable why you have such gripes with the EU. The EU regulated the form factor but left it to manufacturers how to deal with data. Apple cheaped down on the cable front thus being the sole perpetrator to e-waste. Would they not have done that and, e. g., taken USB 4.0 instead of Thunderbolt, everyone would have been able to use that cable and their port to its maximum potential, no matter the brand.
Apple‘s use of Thunderbolt is the indirect continuation of MFI.
 
The new phones were coming with cables anyway
Not really. It's easy to imagine Apple removing the lightning cable from the box soon just like they did with headphones and charging bricks. And people can decide to buy a lightning cable or buy MagSafe which will eventually be used for portless iPhone.

Now they can't realistically do it since most iPhone customers probably don't have a spare usb-c lying around.
 
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Sure a few hundred megabytes. In a city with 5GUW. But most of us don’t have access to that. And if we do it’s in the city and usually slower than LTE because every human in the area is using it at the same time.
And that's what annoys me. One of the main bullet points for 5GUW was it wouldn't be affected by user density, but every real world scenario where there has been user density it was much slower.
 


All iPhone 15 models this year are expected to adopt USB-C ports for the first time, and while USB-C has several advantages over Lightning, another rumor today suggests that Apple's standard iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus models are unlikely to enjoy any increase in data transfer speeds following the transition.

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According to leaker Majin Bu, who has previously shared details about Apple's new cables, the USB-C cables supplied in iPhone 15 boxes are indeed limited to USB 2.0 data transfer speeds at a rate of 480 MBps, which is the same as Lightning.

In contrast, rumors converge on both iPhone 15 Pro models supporting higher USB-C transfer speeds. According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the iPhone 15 Pro models will support "at least" USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3. For comparison, the iPad Pro features a Thunderbolt port for transfer speeds up to 40 Gbps, while the entry-level iPad’s USB-C port is limited to just 480 Mbps.

With the higher-specification data transfer speed, iPhone 15 Pro models will therefore be able to transfer video and other file types much more quickly than the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus.


Each iPhone 15 will include a braided USB-C charging cable in the box that is thicker (i.e. more durable) and 50% longer than the Lightning cable that comes with current iPhone models, according to reports. The cables are also rumored to be color-matched to possible new iPhone colors, coming in at least black, white, yellow, blue, and orange.

Article Link: iPhone 15 USB-C Cables Again Said to Be Limited to USB 2.0 Transfer Speeds

Yup...

"Courage"

Also

"Can't innovate anyone my ass!"
 
And that's what annoys me. One of the main bullet points for 5GUW was it wouldn't be affected by user density, but every real world scenario where there has been user density it was much slower.
Those were the promises of millimeter wave, but you pretty much have to have a line of sight to the tower to get a good signal. It hasn't really been practical to roll out over large areas, so the 5G protocol has mostly been rolled out over existing midband spectrum instead.

Over midband, it isn't really a huge game changer over LTE.
 
Did you mean to direct this comment towards my post?
Yes. Thunderbolt speeds will be a feature for the Pro models, but the only reason that would matter is people doing production work. The vast, vast, vast majority of users plug in for a charge and that’s it. You don’t need to plug in to sync (if you’re even doing that in the age of streaming everything).

I don’t think differentiating products based on *workflow* is anything if remotely call “gimping” a product.
 
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We were talking about the EU's decision to mandate the USB-C connector. Not cables or transfer protocols. We won't know how Apple would have chosen to improve the lightning connector after the decade that Apple originally said it would be in use, because the EU has prevented that...
Apple put USB-C on the iPads back in 2018, long before this EU mandate; it's apparent they didn't plan on creating a new connector.
 
Android users: the iPhone needs USB-C

Apple: gives iPhone USB-C

Android users: but it’s not the right USB-C…


I mean seriously if you’re someone needing high speed data transfer for 4K movies, then you’re probably buying the iPhone Pro anyways.
 
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Apple put USB-C on the iPads back in 2018, long before this EU mandate; it's apparent they didn't plan on creating a new connector.
That's certainly possible. Or they were planning to push iPads more towards laptop standards. Or they were aware of the EU plans. Or they didn't have a better solution ready yet.
 
Yes. Thunderbolt speeds will be a feature for the Pro models, but the only reason that would matter is people doing production work. The vast, vast, vast majority of users plug in for a charge and that’s it. You don’t need to plug in to sync (if you’re even doing that in the age of streaming everything).

I don’t think differentiating products based on *workflow* is anything if remotely call “gimping” a product.
Taking away a feature that has no cost associated with it... what do you call it if it's not gimping?
 
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But it won’t. Having the same connector in all the phone models available makes it easy to share cables between appliances.

For instance, if you loose the cable that came with your iPhone, the same cable that charges your macbook or your iPad will charge your phone.

If other people on your household have an android phone you can borrow their charger, instead of having to buy one.

If you want to use carplay and android auto in your car, now you only need one cable.

How is sticking with lightning better for the environment?
You’re assuming that everyone already has a multitude of USB products, I don’t. I have a few, but not enough to support this nonsense. Still going to have to buy a multitude of new charging cables. Kind of defeating the point.
And keeping people from even attempting to cross over in. Adoption of apple products from non apple uses has fallen sharp year after year.
That is actually false. The latest stats actually show that more are switching to Apple.


 
Taking away a feature that has no cost associated with it... what do you call it if it's not gimping?
Like I said, product differentiation. You’re also assuming that something is being taken away instead of a thunderbolt controller being added to the high end.
 
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