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I paid upfront for two Pro Max at 5:02 and got delivery for the 20th of September. You were just too late to get the first batch, it had nothing to do with how you paid for it.
What you're saying is 2-3 minutes after you somehow that turned into 12 days later. I'm kinda over being upset, and the pay part was me being facetious more than anything else. It's literally never happed to me on launch to not get it on release day and until now I'd always done Apple Upgrade vs Paying it up front. I'm just bummed. I'll live of course.
 
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Cue the chorus:
1. The iPhone 16 Pros are a flop!
2. The iPhone 16 Pros are more evolutionary than revolutionary.
3. Apple is constraining supply to build hype.
4. Nobody is upgrading which is why supply is flush.
5. Etc.
3 and 4. Every. Single. Year. If Apple is 1% below ideal, it's "obviously" #3, and if they're 1% above ideal, it's obviously #4. And sometimes people work out contorted ways to combine both at the same time.

In reality, it would be impractical to build the manufacturing capacity to have every single order fulfilled on the first day, because a lot of that capacity would sit around unused (costing tens/hundreds of millions of dollars) for much of the year, just so that some impatient people could get their phones one day 1. So, they stockpile, running a 100% capacity for weeks beforehand and after, to satisfy as many orders as soon as possible, but there are always some delays. And, also, they can't predict with 100% accuracy which specific models / sizes / colors are going to be the breakout favorites.

I suspect that they look at the data for preorders (which is kinda brilliant - it massively streamlines the ordering process for a bunch of people, reduces load on Apple's servers on order day, and gives Apple a little data on what particular combinations might sell more/harder than others). But preorder data is also self-selected for people who are more passionate about getting their phone right away (as opposed to a month or two later, or elsewhere during the year). Data from preorders might give them a heads up to what will sell out on order day - which is good to know, and can affect what mix you build that week - but may be quite different to what is going to sell in quantity a month later.
 
Annoyed... Went in at exactly 6:00am MDT and waiting about 5 minutes (presumably in line) and finalized the preorder. The confirmation was 6:14am MDT with an October 2nd ship date. This is the first year I just paid for it outright instead of Apple Upgrade. Apparently I'm being punished by 12 days for paying upfront.
They don't ship you a different kind of phone depending on how you pay. I got in at 5:00am PDT, had my order up at 5:01am, the order confirmation "thank you" screen at 5:03am, and the confirmation email arriving a few seconds later (this was with payment upfront via Apple Pay). And delivery date is Sept 20th. You were five minutes or so later, and it's possible the shipping logistics are slightly different, or we ordered phone models that are more/less available, but I highly doubt it has anything to do with how you paid.
 
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That is true.

However, I'd expect the general public to not be all that eager to preorder a phone the hour the store gets updated.

That seems more like hardcore audience behaviour to me.
The point being discussed wasn't first-hour order behavior though, it was overall demand for the iPhone 16 series - OP was suggesting demand would be low in general, this year, based on what they read "on Reddit, on MacRumors, everywhere".
 
3 and 4. Every. Single. Year. If Apple is 1% below ideal, it's "obviously" #3, and if they're 1% above ideal, it's obviously #4. And sometimes people work out contorted ways to combine both at the same time.

In reality, it would be impractical to build the manufacturing capacity to have every single order fulfilled on the first day, because a lot of that capacity would sit around unused (costing tens/hundreds of millions of dollars) for much of the year, just so that some impatient people could get their phones one day 1. So, they stockpile, running a 100% capacity for weeks beforehand and after, to satisfy as many orders as soon as possible, but there are always some delays. And, also, they can't predict with 100% accuracy which specific models / sizes / colors are going to be the breakout favorites.

I suspect that they look at the data for preorders (which is kinda brilliant - it massively streamlines the ordering process for a bunch of people, reduces load on Apple's servers on order day, and gives Apple a little data on what particular combinations might sell more/harder than others). But preorder data is also self-selected for people who are more passionate about getting their phone right away (as opposed to a month or two later, or elsewhere during the year). Data from preorders might give them a heads up to what will sell out on order day - which is good to know, and can affect what mix you build that week - but may be quite different to what is going to sell in quantity a month later.
#3 makes sense for reasons Steve Jobs outlined in 1999 Keynotes regarding days of inventory, and kinda what you touched on. Lots of wasted product if it isn’t popular so it is in Apple’s best interest to ramp production as needed.

#4 I strongly feel didn’t apply last year. Unlike last year, a couple hours after pre-ordering, and even now, In-Store pickup of most pro models is still highly available for day 1. Last year it was October + within about 90 minutes of preorder starting. USB-C addition (Finally) last year was a big deal and bigger upgrade for so called “pro” users.

My 15 Pro is intended to be a multi-year phone for me now that I can finally enjoy decent cabled IO.
 
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Good to remember, for several releases, people are mostly able to walk into the store on release day and buy what they want (not that there couldn't be shortages, but seems like there's always stock initially).
I hope so.
Do you just walk in, or do you need to reserve online and then pick it up in store?
 
Yet not too long ago people would stand in lines for hours and hours (often 24 hours in advance, camping out on the sidewalk) going around the block to get into an Apple Store to order/purchase an iPhone.
I do miss those days in a way. Getting up early was not fun. Standing in the cold and in the dark was not fun. Worrying they may not have your color/storage combo was not fun.

But for me walking out with my new iPhone as the sun was coming up was definitely the start of a good day.
 
A lot of these so called "delays" are pure marketing tricks. I recall last year colleagues of mine who got the 15 Pro / Pro Max and their shipping date was mid October and they all got theirs on launch day in the end...
Or….Apple is conservative in their shipping estimates.
I never thought I’d hear anyone say getting their iPhone faster than expected was a trick.
 
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I really don't think there is any need for chicanery of any sort from Apple's part.

They have an active iPhone user base exceeding 1 billion. This means that for any year, you are easily looking at 200-300 million users who are planning on upgrading. Add to the fact that their iPhone install base continues to grow every year, even as users hold on to their phones longer, a larger user base offsets a slowing upgrade pace just nicely.

So the irony of people claiming that they aren't planning to get a new iPhone this year is that this has probably already been factored into Apple's sales projections. Apple doesn't really need you to buy new iPhones, they just need you to keep using them, and you will continue to make Apple money (apps / subscriptions / services / accessories / Apple Pay etc).

Either way, Apple wins.
Could you warn us before you state facts and draw a logical and rational point?
I, for one, was very startled. 🥳🥰
 
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As of 8:02 EST (two min into launch) the 16 pro max 512gb in black had a 10/2 delivery date. I was refreshing from the jump accidentally refreshed the “waiting” screen as it looked like the oops screen. But still 2 min and extended date. I suppose as the color and config were popular. I
You are looking at a very skewed sample - the people on MacRumors and the Apple/iPhone parts of Reddit are self-selected to be fairly hardcore, compared to the general public, and many have very recent iPhones, often last year's model. But the general public isn't like that. And there's tons of people out there with phones that are older. I don't think it's artificial. If anything, it may simply show a slight imbalance between the percentage mix that Apple predicted and what people actually want.
Im in no forums like these at all until today to say i got ext delivery times 2 min after launch not an hour 45 min. I have an XS max and know a ton of people like me. We keep a phone a long time. I also know tons of people buying this phone. The demand is real.
 
You are looking at a very skewed sample - the people on MacRumors and the Apple/iPhone parts of Reddit are self-selected to be fairly hardcore, compared to the general public, and many have very recent iPhones, often last year's model. But the general public isn't like that. And there's tons of people out there with phones that are older. I don't think it's artificial. If anything, it may simply show a slight imbalance between the percentage mix that Apple predicted and what people actually want.
The actual true answer. ^^
 
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Yeah just checked again. Other than for a couple Max sku’s all sizes and colors of the 16 and 16 Pro are still available for in store pickup on 9/20-9/21.

Wonder if Apple is paying attention to the fact a button and vague AI promises months away aren’t exactly the killer combo they were hoping for.
 
in Germany now:

3-4 weeks for every 16 Pro Max
2-3 weeks for every 16 Pro
7-10 days for many 16 Plus and some still Sept. 20th and I also found some 2-3 weeks.
Sept. 20th for almost all 16, except many green and a few pink combinations, what have 7-10 days or 2-3 weeks.

Could be I overlooked something, I clicked through them very fast.

Preorder startet 2 pm, now it's soon 6 am.
 
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My preorder in Germany went really wrong. My apple gift card deposit didn’t show up in the payment process for the first time.
2 minutes after launch the delivery time was raised to 25-30th Sep. It was still possible to pick up my chosen 16PM in a store. I went through the process, chose my saved deposit and then got an error message that it can only be delivered, but not picked up anymore.
When I chose delivery again, the shipping time increased to 30th Sep-8th October. It makes me really upset.
 
Traded in an iPhone 5S with Verizon and got $830 off. Yeah, I’ll upgrade and either save my 13 Pro for future trade in’s or sell it now!
 
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