This is men’s hubris, they think they know better. This is the problem with politics a lot of the time, they impose laws on forcing technology without knowing how it works or its difficulty, I.e ban ICE car sales by 2030 in eu. Yep, like that was going to happen… even eu car manufacturers started announcing we are out. This guy should have been a politician to force those camera bumps thinner.
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iPhone 16 Pro Demand Has Been Lower Than Expected, Analyst Says
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the market dictates that, people are buying at 1K, you are not happy? Sorry bro. Mercedes should cost 50k less but they do not, tough luck for me I guess, I want a sub 100k V8 AMG.
Eh lol? Sorry bro, but what and where can I find this “enough information”? The phone is not technically out yet, only preorder. Also, where are the sales statistics? Quarterly earnings? iPhone earnings?
Sorry man but after reading that I had to say something, shipping estimates is not the way to judge these things…
The processors sit around doing pretty much nothing until the phones are recycled. Apple should take the training wheels of iOS.
I agree for the most part. But then people would rise also with their pitchforks that how come apple is charging 1K and the phone is slower? They would never use the potential.
You could argue the same for the competition though then.
If they sat around doing nothing their wouldn't be heat, and the battery lasts forever. My battery definitely goes down, and the phone gets warm as well. The processors don't just sit around and do nothing.
It is, and not just his definition, that is a fact. But Russia is subject to sanctions at the moment. The EU != Europe
Apple's poor thermal engineering is because they know there is nothing users can do to actually tax their silicon on the phone.
Supposedly the 16 series is improved, we'll have to wait and see there.
No excuse to not use the correct terms, as there is a big difference. However, perhaps you notice, or not, but I didn't pull you up on that…you guys knew exactly what I meant.
LOL Huh!? Sounds like someone is moving the goal posts. So, are the processors doing something or not? You know there is only one possible answer unless the device is powered down...
Nothing is hyperbole of course. To be clear I said "pretty much nothing". The silicon has to do something to draw the GUI, run the modem, etc. But the OS barely supports multitasking and is locked down so everything runs in a heavily restricted sandbox, nothing can write to the metal, so yeah - it's basically impossible to actually tax the silicon.
?? So, just because you can 'write to the meta' it is impossible to tax the silicon? That doesn't make any sense, any good operating system doesn't allow you to 'write to the metal', that doesn't mean you can't tax the processors. In fact, it won't have any material bearing on it, and in those unique cases where it does you are talking about entirely different systems.
There is way more multitasking in iOS than you give it credit for as well. And when you are a content creator, you definite tax the processors when rendering various outputs. Also when you are gaming. And then there are many sector-specific applications.
Of course it does, you’re not teaching me to suck eggs here. I can have an opinion as a consumer on pricing even if I’m paying more than I think is worthy. I’ve upgraded to a 16 Pro Max this year but still think it’s overpriced for what it is. No amount of silly exaggerations using cars as an example changes that. Just be careful you don’t buy a Mercedes A or C Class with a Renault powertrain
In fact, the teetering world economy is going to affect sales of ALL Apple products. I wouldn't be surprised that sales of the M4 Mac mini and the M4 MacBook Pro models will be way lower than expected.
I respect your opinion, and you are entitled to it just like mine. I was just saying I wish things were cheaper but it is what it is, no one is happy paying more, and like you said if it’s not worthy then don’t buy it (not you I mean of course). You at least don’t come here complaining and demanding this and that.Of course it does, you’re not teaching me to suck eggs here. I can have an opinion as a consumer on pricing even if I’m paying more than I think is worthy. I’ve upgraded to a 16 Pro Max this year but still think it’s overpriced for what it is. No amount of silly exaggerations using cars as an example changes that. Just be careful you don’t buy a Mercedes A or C Class with a Renault powertrain
And sure I admit the car example was an exaggeration, but ain’t no way I’m getting swindled of my money by Mercedes with the Renault engine lol, I only dabble in AMGs but thanks for the tip, someone might find it helpful😜
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I think its the way it is because in the tech world, people will stretch their finances a little if they want something or are happy to pay more initially because they will keep the phone for 3 or 4 years, apparently that is the new average. This site is a little more concentrated on enthusiasts I suppose and there is likely a disproportionate amount of annual upgraders. You also get people here who are happy to pay more because they love Apple so much they want to see them make as much profit as possible, even if they don't benefit directly lol. I don't get it myself but hey.
I am in the camp where I am unhappy with the price and it will annoy me to some degree, but I will enjoy the phone overall. I couldn't go for a lesser model as I think Apple are deliberately holding back industry standard specs like refresh rate just to justify Pro models, that really is a 'don't buy it if you don't like the price' sort of example for me.
I get you and I’m the same, although it may seem with all my comments as if I was defending apple, I’m not. I’m just bringing people to reality about companies/capitalism and in this thread specifically telling people to stop judging demand from shipping delays.
Although I consider myself an apple fan I don’t buy into them mindlessly, giving apple all my money, the last Mac Pro I bought was the 2012 5,1 dual cpu one which I have upgraded since. My previous MacBook Pro was from 2013 and upgraded to the M2 one last year.
The iPhone is the only one I have been more consistent although I skipped 5, 6, 8, X, 11 and 12. And I’m not entirely happy with the new iPhones every year, to the point of slightly annoying me too. But it is such a stable platform that at this point if they continue to improve on it, even if at a slower pace I don’t mind them even if they are holding back some features, at this point I am not really missing any, specially with the new ios18…
For me a phone is core to my business/finacial perfromance, apart from other non profesional aspects of course, the iPhone is the one with a reliable history and of efficiency in getting things done and simple. Which is why since the 13, I’m an annual upgrader, so 16pm for me, you too right? (I think)
Ps. If people were surprised about this year being the same design it should tell you a lot (at least from the fans). There was no way apple wasn’t going to capitalize at least 2 years of same frame design on the new titanium without a major redesign.
Yeah, but I have noticed a difference in my "urgency" to buy the shiny new iPhone this year. I have always been one of those guys that buys on day one. However, this year, due to me being away from home on Sep 20th (delivery day) and the fact that the AI features aren't coming until 18.1 (which I have been testing on my iPhone 15 Pro so I know what's coming), I will probably wait a week or two to order phones for my wife (still on a iPhone 13) and myself. It will be interesting to see if sales improve with the release of 18.1. What I (and my 11,000 shares) are waiting for are improvements to that stupid idiot Siri. Good God, that is the dumbest thing I have ever interacted with. Just trying to play my favorites or simply add something to the shopping list is usually a chore! "Sorry, who's speaking?" or "I've sent those results to your iPhone" or it stops playing one song 3/4th of the way through and then starts a new song 30 seconds into the song, then stops and starts that same song from the beginning. During this last week, Siri decided to ignore my wife. "Who's speaking? You can go to the Home app and enable Personal requests..." which, you guessed it, is already enabled. Apple, Apple, Apple...No, first weekend sales are a good indicator. They vary every year.
iPhone 12 dates slipped by a month within the first few hours. iPhone 16 pre-orders are just slow this year.
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I love my 15 Pro Max. I think the 16 Pro Max may be worthy upgrade for my wife coming from her 13 Pro Max. AoD, better cameras, USB-C, larger display, upgraded RAM, AI, etc. but she just doesn't care. It's not enough for her to want to upgrade and that saves me money so I am good with it.
You need to look at the data again. First weekend revenue have always correlated to long-term revenue.
Sure.
The actual specific scientific analysis technique you want to look up is “correlation study”.
It’s how companies can tell if you’re going to buy baby diapers if you do x at time y.
It’s how marketing people know you better than you know yourself.
Obviously the average commoner has no idea what a correlation study is. They just think it’s black magic that you can tell if Home Depot’s quarterly earnings are going to be a miss if the number of cars in the parking lot are less than usual on the third Saturday of the month.
But just because YOU don’t know correlation study techniques, doesn’t mean other people don’t.