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iPhone 16 Pro Demand Has Been Lower Than Expected, Analyst Says
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If it provides any context to them, to this day I haven't actually even looked at the announcement or specs or anything about the new iPhone... first time coming to MacRumours in a while. It's a yawn fest - let me guess it is 0.001mm thinner, 1 gram heavier, longer battery life, oh my gosh I bet it has a newer Apple Silicon chip, and get this.... it's the biggest iPhone release EVER! Am I close, am I bang on, actually I don't really care.
I'll buy a new one in maybe another 2-3 years.
The new watch looks awesome though, I might think about that in another year or two.
I'll buy a new one in maybe another 2-3 years.
The new watch looks awesome though, I might think about that in another year or two.
Sure correlation studies is how companies do their expectations, even if I didn’t know about it, of course they don’t swing it, I know the so called market studies, which I guess correlation study falls inside of.
Anyways, I know companies don’t do these kind of decisions without hard data they can extrapolate or do their correlation/market study. (I hope you know there are companies that provides these type of data for companies that don’t have the capacity or money to do it themselves.)
However I like how you passive aggressive belittle my intelligence, but just because companies can do it doesn’t mean the average Joe or YOU can.
Furthermore they would know better than you would ever know so I don’t know what your argument is apart from obviously telling me I’m stupid for not knowing about correlation studies?
Can YOU do a better job than apple at predictions and guessing? Do you have the relevant data to know sales this year to backup that demand is significantly lower?
99% of those pixels are thrown away when you look at the photo (the iPhone 16 Pro is a 3.5MP display for example), you never see them. It's only in printing that you see the difference in resolution, and even then it's small.
Precisely. And it's not just a display limitation, it's print too. 48MP ends up being 12MP in Apple land if you are paying close attention and only if you are landed exactly on the optical zoom lengths... otherwise it's a crop and you are looking at a 12MP photo with considerably less detail than 12MP.
It's highly amusing to me that the spec reciting fanboys who regularly like to tell people to "touch grass" don't actually know this...
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No they are not, a 48MP photo remains a 48MP photo. By your argumentation a medium format camera isn't really a medium format camera, let's call it 100MP because the onboard screen can only display x number of pixels at a time. Heck, my desktop screen is only a 5MP, let's not have a camera's with more MP. Sorry, but it makes as much sense as saying you can't tax the processors.
That is why there are nice presets so you can jump straight to 1:1 pixel mapping. Easy-peasy.
I find it amusing that some feel the need to invalidate others with tenuous arguments.
It's a 12MP photo. If you are between optical zooms in a bad spot with that 5X, you actually get less than 2MP of detail in that 12MP photo.
No one is using ProRaw Max; it's not the default, and in any case, it is only for 1X, with no Night Mode, Live Photo, Flash, or Macro.
Go educate yourself.
As I said before, that is why there are easy presets. Have been around since there are multiple cameras on an iPhone.
Doesn't matter, it is still 48MP 🤷♂️ No different from using my Nikon, Olympus or Fuji and not selecting the right settings. It also suppoert 48MP in HEIF.
Not for an iPhone 16 Pro, both the ultra-wide and standard have 48MP sensors.
I’m not entirely sure what point you’re both trying to make here to be honest. Either way, the camera was an upgrade on the iPhone 13 and I was happy with the photos it took. That’s all the validation I need. But thanks anyway. 👍
My A7Siii also has a 48MP sensor and also produces 12MP images — a wonderful camera. However, if Sony called it a 48MP camera, everyone would laugh.
Apple ships a camera that takes 12MP photos by default, that can only take subpar non-oversampled 48MP under one very limited scenario (1X focal mag with no Night Mode, Live Photo, Flash, or Macro), if you can manage to even find the deep-buried menu setting to enable it.
Yet it’s “48MP this” and “48MP that.” That's a bit scammy if you ask me.
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personally, I'm over the massive lug-able phones. I already have an iPad, thank you. Give me a phone with the features of the 16 but the size of the 5. I want smaller, not bigger.
The comments did not disappoint. I am proud of this community. I’ll be sticking to my iPhone 15pm as well.
Simply not true, as explained earlier.
Go count them yourself, the number is correct.
Maybe this helps: Here's what iPhone 16 Pro/Pro Max users get by default. Hint: It's not 48MP.
Y-Axis is the effective megapixels in iPhone photos.
X-Axis is 35mm equiv. focal length in mm.
Blue line: 15 Pro, Green line: 15 Pro Max, 16Pro, 16 Pro Max
As you can see from the above, the 48MP claim is garbage. Heck, if you look at the above chart, you could even objectively say that the 12MP claim is garbage. 0.5MP at 115mm anyone!?!
Just change the setting,
And apple doesn't claim a 48MP sensor on the zoom lens. It really shouldn't be this difficult to just stick to the fact, opposed to making stuff up to try to prove your claim.As per the tech specs, nothing untoward here.
Just change the setting,
Apologies. My fault for not explaining clearly or simply enough for you.
The graph is for all lenses, i.e., the entire focal range, and what iPhone users get out of the box.
- 0.5MP detail at 115mm is clearly an extreme low point brought on by the change in the 15PM to the 5X zoom.
- 1MP detail at 85mm also pretty terrible because it's a very common portrait focal length.
- 2MP detail at 50mm also fairly bad because this is around the focal length that mimics human vision.
Y-Axis is the effective megapixels in iPhone photos.
X-Axis is 35mm equiv. focal length in mm.
Blue line: 15 Pro
Green line: 15 Pro Max, 16 Pro, 16 Pro Max
As I said, just change the setting. You're moving the goal posts from there is no 48MP, it is a scam, to now still trying to maintain it by arguing that it isn't by default. The facts are there are two 48MP sensors, period. There is no argument about it, it is real. Sure to make the most of the full sensor, you got to stay at the optical focal lengths and don't apply digital zoom. Not unusual, happens with numerous cameras, but regardless it is still 2×48MP and 2×12MP sensors.Apologies. My fault for not explaining clearly or simply enough for you.
The graph is for all lenses, i.e., the entire focal range, and what iPhone users get out of the box.
It's debatable whether the change from the 3X to 5X zoom and the giant optic gaps it created was a step forward or back.
- 0.5MP detail at 115mm is clearly an extreme low point brought on by the change in the 15PM to the 5X zoom.
- 1MP detail at 85mm also pretty terrible because it's a very common portrait focal length.
- 2MP detail at 50mm also fairly bad because this is around the focal length that mimics human vision.
Y-Axis is the effective megapixels in iPhone photos.
X-Axis is 35mm equiv. focal length in mm.
Blue line: 15 Pro
Green line: 15 Pro Max, 16 Pro, 16 Pro Max
I must admit, I'm getting rather bored with repeating the facts.
To be clear, I think 48MP is a misrepresentation, so I'm not moving the goalposts on that.
48MP is available in only one mode: 1X focal mag, with no Night Mode, Live Photo, Flash, or Macro. It's not oversampled and is hot garbage in terms of quality. It's a 48MP image without 48MP worth of detail.
The major benefit of having a 48MP sensor is actually the quad-bayer processing for higher-quality 12MP output.
Everything else is marketing. The teensy lenses on the iPhones simply can't gather enough photons to do proper 48MP anyway. Physics and all that...
The below screenshot from iPhone 16 Pro with iOS 18 (output for the main fusion camera I believe) would make anyone that knows anything about photography snort their coffee out their nose. See if you can work it out...
Incorrect, we are talking about the 16 Pro. 48MP is available on both the ultra-wide and standard lenses.
OK, and there you go changing the goal posts again. So now you agree it is 48MP, yay finally, but it isn't because, in your opinion, the quality is bad. LOL Come on, nobody was discussion whether the quality was good or not. On such a small sensor, I think it is ridiculous to have so many pixels, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a real 48MP sensor, something you've been denying until now.
Sure, and Apple isn't the first to do that. Sigma Foveon, Fujifilm X-Trans, there have been many formations to try to improve image quality. Doesn't change what it is.
You won't hear an argument against that, but that is a different conversation. Sure, technology has improved, but so many pixels on a small sensor is silly, not comparable to what you'll get from a nice medium format sensor. However, at the same time it is impressive how processing is applied and the results, especially the nighttime results they get from it.
Still doesn't change what it is, it either is 48MP or not. The sensor doesn't magically change.
Again, that has nothing to do with whether it has a 48MP sensor or not. 🤷♂️
Exactly.
The iPhone 16 pro max with a ram bump and all cameras receiving the MP bump that is clearly coming would have been an easy buy for me. I had originally planned for this to be my upgrade year. But knowing that these very obvious upgrades are right around the corner has me waiting one more year.
So, you dodged the question completely.
For the avoidance of doubt that you don't know what you're talking about --
What do you think is the issue with the screenshot above?
I knew sales were low when I was able to put in an order for a Pro Max, Natural Ti, 512GB on Sunday, 15 Sep for pick-up tomorrow, 20 Sep. Obviously that was one of the store allotments which hadn’t been bought yet. There was also a Black, 1TB just waiting for a new owner.
It is only part of a screenshot, there is no context included. My guess would that you will try to argue that 48MP isn't included, but that is irrelevant whether the sensor is a 48MP sensor or not. The other thing I find is that the indicated file sizes are rather small for the size. But why not include the full information instead of playing a game of riddles.
The discussion all began with you saying that there are no 48MP sensors, we've already established now with you own admission that there are 48MP sensors. Although for some odd reason you still seem to think there is only one.
Why not just admit that there are two 48MP sensors, and that there are two 12MP sensors. This can be so easy, opposed to wriggling around the topic.
There will always be a better iPhone ‘next year’ and that has been the case since 2007. Even if you wait another year, you’re still only getting a slightly better version as Apple doesn’t do big enhancements anymore.