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Please don't confuse anything from Nokia with a modern smartphone.

Apple invented the modern smartphone.

There are two phases of the smartphone: before iPhone, and after. Everything after the iPhone is the modern smartphone, which Apple invented. Everything before can't be classified as modern.
Apple didn’t invent the modern smartphone, but they popularized it and perfected it.

Windows CE/Windows Mobile invented it.
 
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a "survey" and a probing of shipping estimates, ok ,maybe that is a valid data set.
Apple Intelligence not available - that is his opinion, which of course he has. I seriously doubt that even half the people who buy the Pro or any other iPhone 16 know what Apple Intelligence does, nor do they care ...
The absence of fully-implemented AppleI at launch was the deciding factor for me. I'm a faithful two-year upgrade type and fully anticipated waking up early to pre-order the 16Pro and return my 14Pro. But as it became clear that AppleI was months away — and only a few months more before launch of the 17Pro — I decided to wait this time. Yep, first year ever with an iphone more than two years old, but I'll just put those $$ toward an M4 MacBook instead.
 
Apple didn’t invent the modern smartphone, but they popularized it and perfected it.

Windows CE/Windows Mobile invented it.

No those aren't considered modern smartphones. They had zero influence on the design of other products.

The iPhone was the first modern and useful smartphone, more useful than the blackberry. Everything else before that was just garbage. I know. I had them all, including some of the horrific WinCE devices.

Steve Jobs was correct in making sure that these old smartphones were erased from history. They were truly garbage.
 
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Why? We don't even know what Apple's com chip is going to look like yet. Look at what they did with Apple silicon, completely blew intel out of the water on mac devices. Why rule it out without even hearing the specs or performance
I just remember how much my iPhone 11 Pro sucked with Intel modem.

Apple silicon has been around for long time before the arm based mac devices - first A4 was in iPhone 4. I'll wait until the modem has been around a few years.
 
Apple didn’t invent the modern smartphone, but they popularized it and perfected it.

Windows CE/Windows Mobile invented it.

1. To me "modern smartphone" means a phone w/ Internet and app availability that DOESN'T rely on a physical keyboard or stylus. In that definition, yes, Apple invented the "modern" smartphone, that is to say, has the elements that all smartphones have today.

2. I'm only going off memory here, but I think Blackberry and Palm Phone was the first smartphone with a web browser and downloadable apps. Windows CE was a year or two later. MS definitely did not invent the category, have a usable product, or popularize it. Blackberry popularized the genre and was the standard until the iPhone. I used Palm phones back then, and I think they were more versatile, but BB was definitely the most popular, hence the term "Crackberry."
 
It's 72+ hours after pre-ordering began globally. This year, iPhone 16 was made available to 58 countries at the same time, compared to 40 last year.

Still only 3 weeks lead time.
 
The 16 is better looking than the 16 Pro with its slimmed down camera module. If they bring Ive back, there'll be a line outside Apple once again when they release an iPhone designed by him.
 
Demand is probably also not helped by the fact that people now have record credit card debt and are struggling to stay afloat. A new phone is a want not a need for the vast majority of people.
 
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There won't be record iPhone sales. The first weekend sales already show that trend. The second week or the next months sale isn't going to reverse that trend.

You have enough information from the first weekend to make a conclusion about sales forecast.
You might be correct, but it's been the same story for almost a decade or more. First week sales are disappointing, all the experts think they have figured out Apple's Supply Chain. Then reports come out that sales were better than initially thought. Rinse. Repeat.
 
I just remember how much my iPhone 11 Pro sucked with Intel modem.

Apple silicon has been around for long time before the arm based mac devices - first A4 was in iPhone 4. I'll wait until the modem has been around a few years.
Oh God, I remember the 11...eeek!
 
Apple didn’t invent the modern smartphone, but they popularized it and perfected it.

Windows CE/Windows Mobile invented it.

Hahahahahahahahahaha. I had one of these, and I had the wireless modem too. The whole thing was niche, unreliable trash. There was nothing modern about those devices, even then.
 
You might be correct, but it's been the same story for almost a decade or more. First week sales are disappointing, all the experts think they have figured out Apple's Supply Chain. Then reports come out that sales were better than initially thought. Rinse. Repeat.

No, first weekend sales are a good indicator. They vary every year.

iPhone 12 dates slipped by a month within the first few hours. iPhone 16 pre-orders are just slow this year.

 
I would have updated from my 12 pro if they had not added so much Ai, and did not take away the option for unlocked phones to be financed. They made it financially impossible for some ppl like me when they required finance purchases to have one of the 4 major carriers. Womp womp.
 
But but but you can't change design every year, Apple is fine using the same for 6 years!!!


meanwhile....


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Were any of those changes necessary, or even an improvement? What's the point of change for changes sake?
 
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$829 plus tax for 128GB iPhone 16. I'm not interested in doing this more than once every 5 or 6 years. And the pro, that's a few hundred bucks more!
 
The one and ONLY reason I am upgrading is because the trade-in incentives through the carrier are nuts this year (my bill will actually be decreasing), and I can get the full camera suite on the standard Pro and get rid of this ridiculous Max I've been lugging around!
 
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For Me:
1) A Real Fast Charging
2) Proper Thermal Designs (Less overheating)
3) 5th Column of Icons on iOS18 Homescreen (I don't care about A.I.)

=Sold
 
Apple invented the modern smartphone, I think it’s fair to expect they’ll continue to be a leader in the technology. Instead they seem to be more concerned with protecting their App Store revenue
I understand your point but expectations is a dangerous thing. It’s good to have them but be objective, being at the forefront is being number 1, and that is an extremely difficult thing even if you have the money. Sometimes others will take over, and it’s ok, pacing is important in a marathon, you don’t always gotta be first through the race. Others have already replied with other cases, so I won’t add to it.

But even if you think apple is not at the forefront I don’t know why you think that. Because the phones look the same for the past 4-5 years? The internals are surely not the same and as an example their processors are absolute number 1 in the mobile market, and they design them in-house compared to the competition. That is pretty significant in my book.
 
I personally think the economic situation is also hurting iPhone 16 Pro sales, too. And that's WITH carrier incentives.
I agree, inflation is not helping much since people have less disposable income.

Things in Europe are getting a bleak and UK guys are about to get hit by a truckload of taxes straight up their **** due to the “sudden” debt hole they are in.
 
$829 plus tax for 128GB iPhone 16. I'm not interested in doing this more than once every 5 or 6 years. And the pro, that's a few hundred bucks more!

The pricing is outrageous really. Personally I think all iPhones should be sub £1k with the top tier Pro perhaps being £999 or at a stretch £1099. We’ve gotten used to paying MacBook prices for iPhones in recent years, incredible really.
 
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