Most definitely... IMO... especially considering the 15 does not support AI.
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That phones have the ram powered all the time is exactly the point. Traditional computers keep the 5v rail on to support the sleep state.
I certainly do not wish and hopefully have not implied that you are foolish. By no means so sorry if that came across that way. I respect the position you take
Why won’t this be a hit? Say you’re considering a plain Jane iPhone 16, the most popular choice atm. You don’t care that much to have all the cameras of the pro and are looking for a good deal. Isn’t the 16e @599 far more appealing than the 799 regular? A18 chip, apple AI, same base storage, same OLEd screen, wireless charging, better battery, lighter. This going to be the best seller.
Most normies didnt buy the SE (probably had no idea it still existed) and won’t see this as an upgraded SE, they’ll view it as a bargain 16.
Most normies didnt buy the SE (probably had no idea it still existed) and won’t see this as an upgraded SE, they’ll view it as a bargain 16.
I think this what people are missing here. The 16 is going to suffer and this should be a hit.
Where I stopped paying attention to anything Gruber is when he decided to pontificate about anything political. The man is completely unhinged.
You guys are just talking about different frustrations I think
This is widely seen as the successor/replacement for an established line (SE) and it's nuked most everything folks liked about that at various points
Analyzing it on its own in the Apple lineup, excluding any history of the SE line, it's fine
I'd perhaps argue it's not great to have the cheapest new iPhone be $600 to start, though
Yes. That's the correct way to frame it. As many here have lamented, it's NOT a direct replacement for the SE series at all. It's an arguably different class of product, but IMHO, that's a good thing.
What a comparatively small group of people liked about the SE is what made it unpopular overall. The 16e is Apple's attempt to rectify that situation. Whether or not they will be successful in that endeavour remains to be seen, but IMO the 16e will do better than the SE 3.
As for the 16 taking the hit, well, the 17 is coming out soon too. I think there's a good reason the 16e came out almost half a year after the 16.
Agree. For those that wanted this to be a SE4 I get the disappointment, but deciding to do a 6.1 OLED and current gen flagship cpu puts it in another category. Two questions come to kind…what’s the point of the regular 16 now, and will there be a 17e next year, or will this be their SE like phone for 3-4 years?
I was looking at googles website and they’re selling their regular model Pixel 9, which would be competitive to the regular iPhone 16, for $649. This comes with 120hz screen, 12gb of ram, 7 years of software updates and security, 24+ hour battery life, etc. I can’t even imagine what the Pixel 9a will be like when Google releases it, it’s going to run totally wild on the 16e I’d imagine. $600 for the 16e is NOT a good value, especially when someone could fork out $50 more for a more packed Pixel 9 at this point.
The 16e is far better positioned than the 16 though, and the value proposition is relative.
I would’ve preferred an A18 version SE4 with no wireless charging/plastic back and a 6.1 LCD like the old XR with 128gb storage for 499. But, maybe that’s too 5c?
Can we not do this please?
First folks do it to Mini users ... now to all SE users?
You are not in the minds of other buyers, nor in the boardroom with Apple staff making decisions based upon their actual data in hand
I'm going by third party estimates of iPhone sales. Out of a total 8 different iPhones offered for sale in 2022, the launch year of the SE 3, the SE 3 came in dead last in estimated global sales.
IOW, it actually sold worse in its launch year than iPhones that came out in 2020 and which were much higher priced.
You're citing sales numbers but then assuming you know "why" a certain model was appealing or not
You do not know what made it unpopular overall, nor do you even know why the buyers were buying it
There's just no need to be so declarative .. when you do not know
i find it hilarious people thinking apple is too late with 8GB in iphones when they JUST upgraded the MACBOOKS from 8GBs. literally last year.
You're reaching now. It's been repeatedly reported in the press that the SE 3's size is a significant negative that turns customers away from it.
And furthermore, we all here know that the SE has been associated with bad battery life. I mean what else is there? Lack of Face ID? Single camera?
Another slap in the face to iPhone 15 users …
*rubs bruised jawline…
*rubs bruised jawline…
You’re not wrong, but Apple is playing a different game. Android is a nonstarter for me; I’m not giving Google my data - hell, I run a network-wide ad blocker and VPN on my home server (I did mention up thread I’m not a normal user 🤣).
Now my kid is too young for a phone, but when he’s not, I’m absolutely getting him the cheapest iPhone because of the above concerns about Google. And if my retired dad asks me about a phone - well, he has an iMac and an iPad, I’m going to have to do the tech support on his phone - I’m going to tell him to get this. I don’t know Android, don’t want to learn it, and the phone will integrate spectacularly with his existing computing devices.
And I think that’s the market Apple’s going for here. Make it just cheap “enough” that parents don’t go: “oh that’s too much - just get the kid/elderly relative an Android.” Or “I have a MacBook Air but that iPhone is just too expensive”. Those people aren’t comparing tech specs, they just want a device that works with what they have.
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I've said this in the other thread, but what I've been seeing at my kids' school and elsewhere is that the teens and tweens are not getting the SE 3, because it's too small. I've also seen this mentioned elsewhere as well, along with the complaints about its battery life. Instead, they've been going to the used market to get non-Pro iPhones that are a few years old (or more recently, sometimes Apple refurbs). What's interesting to me is that the 16e is priced almost exactly the same as same-storage-capacity iPhone 15 non-Pros on the high quality non-Apple used/refurb market here in Canada (Orchard).
However, since I'll be upgrading my 12 Pro Max this year to a 17 Pro Max, I won't have to buy a separate iPhone for my teen kid, as it will be a perfect hand-me-down. I personally think a 12 Pro Max with new battery* will be superior overall to an iPhone 16e, but if I were going to buy a new non-refurb iPhone for my kid, I too would probably buy the 16e. However, I'd also consider an Apple refurb iPhone as well. The problem with the Apple refurb store though is that they're always 2 generations behind, which further makes the 16e an enticing option.
*My battery is at 82%. Here's hoping it reaches that magical 80% threshold within the year, so I can replace the battery at Apple.
It’s got an A18 for good measure at these prices the regular iPhone 16 looks like a ripoff.