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Not worth an upgrade from even 13 Pro. Apple will try to sell you the 17 Pros as something better. Nothing significant has been innovated. It was always about the money. We just went along because it was exciting and provided some utility. But there’s only so long you can stretch utility. Don’t give Apple the money.

BREAKING: For profit corporation does things for profit.

And I agree with you, I'm not buying it either. But that's always been Apple's motivation, just like any other for profit company.
 
Hmmm, I wonder how true that really is. I know that often those using aluminum will need to make it thicker to compensate for it being a softer metal so I'm not sure how that impacts its relative weight. Anyway, I had heard they are going back to aluminum to help make them more carbon neutral. Seems production of titanium has a bigger impact on the environment.
Titanium and stainless steel are metals that in my opinion are more suitable for contact with human tissue.
Money and weight I would really say are reason. Environment is welcome PR. I can not imagine how doing business and care about nature (“Planet” according to new trend) and not care about profit. If someone wants to “save the planet”, then maybe that person could stick to own phone untill it breaks down. For me in my case I do this and freely ignore the rest. Excuse my english.
 
I’ve always gotten the Pro’s but if the 17/17 Air end up getting promotion, they are going to have to do something to make the Pro Max/Ultra worth its price and I don’t think a slightly better camera and a little more RAM will do the trick
 
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Return to aluminium being the main new "feature" after they've been selling it to us as "the cheap version" for decades. 🤣 Man, this company is completely lost
Calling $4T Apple "lost" is absurd. And, new improved alloys and construction all the time is not a bad thing. I (an actual buyer of these things, not just a commenter) never perceived your claims of things like "selling it to us as "the cheap version" for decades."
 
Remember the iPhone Bendgate. It'll happen with the 17's this year.
Yeah, Bendgate was a <YAWN>. And social media is even sillier and even less competent now. So it is guaranteed we will have a zillion UTube morons bending iPhones for clicks when the Airs come out and when the primary frame alloy is aluminum, even though various aluminum alloys can be very rigid.

It drives me nuts that so many here think product materials are pure elemental metal when they almost never are. And once we are talking alloys preconceptions of hard/soft become totally irrelevant.
 
Apple needs to go into, at least, 2 years cycles with the iPhone already.
So far, everything I read about the 17 Pro is just as hard of a pass as the 16 Pro.
Maybe even more so, with that hideous camera bump.
Why a two year cycle? Just because there isn't a lot of change year to year? Cars and darn near everything else get updates all the time that don't amount to much. They don't expect people to buy every time there's an update. Pretty much everyone makes little changes and people buy when either their old phone (or whatever) isn't any good or the accumulated updates makes it worth the cost.
 
I'm not sure improved cameras, larger batteries, better cooling or more scratch resistant screen need AI all that much to be a benefit. I got the 16 pro so it doesn't make sense for me to get a 17 but I'm sure it will make a nice upgrade for those with a 14 or earlier model. Meanwhile I'll appreciate the accumulation of enhancements that will be there for the 19 pro.
Dude, I have 13 standard model, and if you compare it on the official website, it is essentially the same phone as recently released 17 air. I am not going to pay them a single extra cent, as long as iOS is receiving updates.
 
Dude, I have 13 standard model, and if you compare it on the official website, it is essentially the same phone as recently released 17 air. I am not going to pay them a single extra cent, as long as iOS is receiving updates.
Very understandable. But it doesnt' change what I said. Everyone has their own reasons for updating. For some with older phones a newer one is worth it especially since not all care about some of the AI features. I for one have a 16 pro and probably won't update until maybe the 19 pro (time will tell). The 17 Air is a niche phone so certainly not for most.
 
Given the significant office based headcount Apple has, you really have to wonder what a lot of these people have been working on over the last 5+years. The iPhone design team must only work a couple of days a year.
Wow, I disagree. I buy these things and they are amazing. As a Nikon photog watching 5 pound pro cameras evolve and then seeing what Apple does with tiny smartphone lenses I am constantly amazed. But maybe Nikon is a limited frame of reference for me; please, tell us what cool stuff you built in the last year.
 
From a material cost standpoint it makes a lot of sense. Imagine saving a few dollars in material costs on every phone when you sell in the numbers that iPhones do. They can charge the same price or even more because it's a new phone and pocket the savings. It's a smart way to do cost cutting without customers noticing.
Really ?? Maybe if they were offering something else as well by way of a distraction. Here they appear to be trying to make a virtue out of Al, while only a couple of years ago they pushed Ti so much as it was "infinitely superior". Peoples memories are not that poor.
 
Why a two year cycle? Just because there isn't a lot of change year to year? Cars and darn near everything else get updates all the time that don't amount to much. They don't expect people to buy every time there's an update. Pretty much everyone makes little changes and people buy when either their old phone (or whatever) isn't any good or the accumulated updates makes it worth the cost.
Exactly. I do not know why the concept you so succinctly describe is hard for many folks to grasp.
 
It's been incremental from the start. Not calling that bad but I can't think of a single iteration that was revolutionary. I'm fine with that but I sure get confused when others think that incremental changes is a new recent thing.
The 4, 6, and X. Those were all considered revolutionary in their day. But I feel like since the X, it’s just been more of f e same.
 
The 4, 6, and X. Those were all considered revolutionary in their day. But I feel like since the X, it’s just been more of f e same.
Still mostly incremental to me. Up until the 4 they were still figuring things out and getting enough volume to push vendors for improved parts plus cellular data sucked until IDE. After that I would go three to four years between updates. Skipped the X since it didn't seem worth the higher price they charged. As I said, it's not bad that it's incremental. Almost every product/device you can imagine gets some big improvements early on then levels off.
 
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