No problem 😀 I agree with your point about apps though 100%. It's just there's a large % of iphones unlocked and while carriers are ripping people off, or just not releasing the iphone in certain countries, you can't deny a substantial % of iphones will always be unlocked. Particularly as there only currently available through certain carriers. While that's the case, people will always be unlocking them, not neccesarily jailbreaking mind. 5 of my mates have them, not one of them is paying for the original contract through the carrier
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iPhone 2.0 Firmware Jailbroken Already?
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No problem 😀 I agree with your point about apps though 100%. It's just there's a large % of iphones unlocked and while carriers are ripping people off, or just not releasing the iphone in certain countries, you can't deny a substantial % of iphones will always be unlocked. Particularly as there only currently available through certain carriers. While that's the case, people will always be unlocking them, not neccesarily jailbreaking mind. 5 of my mates have them, not one of them is paying for the original contract through the carrier
EagerDragon
macrumors 68020
Unlocked phones are a separate issue. Each of my statements are about jailbroken phones.
Unlocked phones will remain unlocked until there are more choices of service providers.
I agree 100% those will be the case, however IMHO the percent of un-official unlocks will also decrease as the iPhone becomes available in more countries and as the number of official unlocked phone increases.
As to ripping, carriers love to rip you off whenever they can, they been doing it for years and will continue to occur if some carries can lock you down for anything.
I officially no longer care now that jailbreaking is about to become the domain of an infinitesimal number of hobbiests.
I can see the fun of it, but its irrelevant.
(Kinda strikes me as the same appeal as smokers who roll their own.)
I can see the fun of it, but its irrelevant.
(Kinda strikes me as the same appeal as smokers who roll their own.)
I don't see any evidence to support that the number of unlockers will go down as the phone is released. The accompanying tarriff will likely dictate if people unlock or not. UK users are still unlocking despite O2 offering the phone with contract.
I agree carriers will always try to lock you in. But the beauty of GSM is that you can grandfather your contract and get any phone you like without extending/terminating your contract, even with the iphone😉
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I feel sorry for those who bought the iphone Day 1, and still didnt jailbreak and unlock their phone..
Only after 1 year, you can use other apps.. and till now, still facing the dumb boring black screen as the wallpaper and cant change icon on the summerboard.. and adding webclips is like very cool.. lol.. I dont use webclips at all.. they are blocking my way of 3rd party apps...
I feel sorry for those who bought the iphone Day 1, and still didnt jailbreak and unlock their phone..
Only after 1 year, you can use other apps.. and till now, still facing the dumb boring black screen as the wallpaper and cant change icon on the summerboard.. and adding webclips is like very cool.. lol.. I dont use webclips at all.. they are blocking my way of 3rd party apps...
onionperson654
macrumors regular
I'll come into this conversation and just admit that I'm ignorant, so please take pity.
Having an ipod touch, wanting to jailbreak that touch, and having done so and added many nice apps (especially the Apple ones pre 1.13), can't I always just reset my ipod to factor settings and then go in an compain under warrantly that my headphone jack in broken or an alien is living behind my calculator screen?
Having an ipod touch, wanting to jailbreak that touch, and having done so and added many nice apps (especially the Apple ones pre 1.13), can't I always just reset my ipod to factor settings and then go in an compain under warrantly that my headphone jack in broken or an alien is living behind my calculator screen?
That depends entirely on the functionality and quality of the apps available on Apple's store vs via jailbreak. Considering Apple prohibits whole categories of desirable apps, I expect the percentage of jailbreaks to be lower than it is today, but still significant.
MagnusVonMagnum
macrumors 603
It's pretty simple. There are a large number of Apple fans that always side with Apple or Apple's viewpoint (or perceived viewpoint for that matter) NO MATTER WHAT. The generally used term for them is 'fanboy' because like fans of say rock music, they tend to worship Apple, not contemplate Apple. Apple is perfect. It can do no wrong.
Of course, the rest of us know Apple is a corporation out to make as much money as it can from the consumer and in that regard is no different from any other corporation including the much maligned Microsoft.
I think what bothers some of us is not that people like Apple's products (I like many of them too), but rather that Apple seems to attract a lot more rabid fans than other platforms. Enthusiasm should not lead to blind faith. Apple is making its distribution decisions for their benefit, not yours. It's foolish to believe otherwise. But the fact these 'fanboys' want to see Apple sue those that are 'jailbreaking' or 'unlocking' the iPhone or iPod Touch only shows the complete lack of thought in the process. Apple has a reason (money) to want to prevent jailbreaking. Users have NO valid reasons to want to prevent it. The fact they STILL do shows they let Apple THINK for them. Thus, I discard all such comments as worthless on here and elsewhere and they're VERY easy to spot. Generally, they sound like a group of cheerleaders for Apple when happy (Yay! New products! Go Apple! Go Apple!) and spiteful laywers when they're unhappy (You dare say Apple is not perfect! Arrgh! Apple's laywers will stop you!). 😀
In this case, the iPhone is NOT to be jailbreaked! Apple is fighting that sort of thing (they stand to lose 30% off the top of every application sold! That's HUGE amount of money... even if it is raked off a lot like protection money) so it's BAD! The evil jailbreakers and unlockers and the Rebel Alliance for that matter will pay for their insolence! Muahahahaa. 😀
I really don't know why everyone thinks that 3rd party software will be of awesome quality just because Apple takes money for distribution.
Apple's own software (and hardware) has had so many quality issues recently, do you think they are going to test 3rd party apps that much better than their own software? Do you think they are going to test every single app for months before releasing it, give feedback, bug reports and write Bugzilla entries etc.?
No, they will have automated checks for potential security holes and forbidden function calls (although the SDK itself takes care of that already). Also, someone will install the app and play around with it for a while to see what it does. Probably takes 5-10 min per app. Because they are in total control of the distribution channel, those checks don't even have to be thorough at all: The day an easter egg/bug to use a messaging client on EDGE is made public, the app is simply pulled from the store. "Quality control" couldn't be much easier.
I think quality will actually be worse. It takes much more to install the dev team's tool chain and get started than to spend $99 and publish a hello world app for $5. Expect a lot of crappy stuff.
ryanwarsaw
macrumors 68030
Won't it require jailbreaking to unlock the phone as that isn't an app that will be in the store?
sleepingworker
macrumors 6502a
*shrugs* Point taken, but I've also used win mobile devices with IM clients and again I had no discernable battery differences. Perhaps the n95 is an exception, but for most phones I've used that have IM (from cheapo flip phones to "smart"phones), in *none* of those phones did I find a change in battery life. I've used various cell phones on Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile, and AT&T. Again, I believe, if coded correctly, these IM apps won't be a battery suck.
w00master
I honestly can't believe the moral outrage being shown by some people about unlocking/jailbreaking phones. What does it matter to you what other people do with their iPhone?
I certainly don't care whether some stranger breaks an NDA.
I certainly don't care whether some stranger breaks an NDA.
MagnusVonMagnum
macrumors 603
Maybe you should look up the word 'greed' before you accuse me of being greedy. I make games and give them away (free software movement). I buy products that fit my needs. That doesn't mean I have to worship them just because I use their product or agree with their arcane decisions to try and force me to use only their approved apps through their store only.
Apple is about making as much money as possible and if that means forcing you to buy through iTunes, they'll do it. If that means forcing you to use only Jobs approved apps, they'll do it. They don't care about giving you options. They ONLY care about making money. That makes them greedy. When they remove freedom of choice for a computer platform and try to enforce it through monopolistic means (no competition for app sales), that makes them fascists. Want a defintion from Expedia, eh? Fine:
"Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole."
In other words, your (and anyone else's) desires for iPhone are subordinate to the interests of Apple. Steve Jobs knows best. Clearly, the definition and usage fits just fine. If all computer companies forced such tactics on their platforms on the whole, you'd be living in a fascist computer state and wondering if George Orwell is rolling in his grave.
The point you started calling names over a difference in opinions is the point at which you lost the argument. When (or IF) you mature some day, you'll learn you can't convince someone they're wrong (or accomplish anything really) by calling them names.
skinnylegs
macrumors 65816
If I hear somebody say this one more time I think I'm 'gonna puke.....
Here's a bit of Economics 101 for 'ya, Magnus. Businesses are about making money and Apple is no exception. Furthermore, companies whose primary aim is to *minimize* profits won't be companies very long. Understand that Apple employs well over 15,000 people. The more money the company makes; the more it can pay it's employees. So....what do you think these employees do with their money? Do they stick every bit of it in their little Apple piggy banks? No; each employee puts the better portion of that money back into their local economy and the cycle repeats. It is also important to remember that creativity doesn't come without a price tag and it's a 'heluva lot easier to woo top creative minds with stong 6-figure salaries. My point is that everyone benefits when a company like Apple is profitable. If you don't understand concepts like this then please don't make statements such as you did in your earlier post.
While we're on the topic.....
The market place is what drives prices; not the sniveling of people like yourself, and as long as people are willing to pay for music and apps. through iTunes then Apple will continue to use (and profit from) this form of distribution.
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GSA190
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With all of the people jailbreaking iPhones I assume it would be really hard to get everyone who does this.
(serperate from the quote)
Isn't Apple trying to avoid jailbreaking for iPhones? Are they even trying to prevent this from happening? It is quite odvious that releasing a statement saying anyone who jailbreaks iPhones breaks their Agreement contract with Apple. Like that is a huge threat. Maybe they need to try a little harder to prevent this from happening.