iPhone 2.0 Firmware Jailbroken Already?

[MacFly123]

Clearly Apple is looking at iChat-type apps, they demoed AIM. I'm hoping that AIM is allowed to run as background, or AIM is allowed to install a background daemon.

Re GPS, I presume you mean hardware interface? My understanding is that the reason that the SDK excludes the dock connector is that Apple already has a dock-connector licensing program. Made for iPhone. There exist iPhone accesories. If a company wants to make a GPS <-> iPhone device, they have to go through that licensing program. Apple hasn't said, but you would think that those people may have special hardware access via the SDK.

arn

So how is AIM getting around the background running/battery draining problems then? And do you think Apple would let them do video chat if iPhone 2.0 has the front facing camera? Don't you think Apple would want to have people use their iChat???

Maybe Apple is letting AIM make their app, and then in June when Apple also releases iPhone 2.0 with a front facing camera they introduce iChat and suddenly AIM doesn't support video chat but iChat does so Apple gets the market anyway??? It is hard for me to imagine that Apple would just let one of the potential KILLER apps get taken by someone else.

I dunno, your thoughts?

 

[ruinfx]

I have to take Arns side on this one and not because he's the admin.
No one said you shouldn't discuss any topic, it just sounded like you were just being negative and sarcastic and not wanting to really discuss it. I say discuss on!

And speaking of, I don't have alot of experience with UMTS/HSPA phones as I've been on Verizon for years. 3G EVDO doesn't seem to be all that bad on the CDMA side, so I didn't assume HSDPA would be horrible either.

So do you have a ballpark of how much more power hungry HSDPA is than UMTS? How about HSUPA vs UMTS? And can you disable either HSPA and resort back to UMTS or EDGE to save power during low bandwidth requirements?

the n95-3 has EDGE, UMTS and HSDPA. in the settings you can choose to have it run on just GSM/EDGE or use GSM/EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA. obviously people use this to save battery life when they dont need the high speed internet and the 3G iphone would greatly benefit from a similar feature.

AT&T's 3G implementation is not compatible with T-Mobile's future US 3G network because they are on separate frequencies. And the frequency T-Mobile is using for its 3G network is exclusive to the US. Unless Apple is kind enough to make sure the network chip specifically supports T-Mobile's USA network, don't count on it.

The odd thing however is that Europe uses a completely different frequency from ANY USA 3G network. It makes me think that Apple is either going to have to create 2 "3G iPhones" or make a 3G iPhone that works in both the USA and Europe.

if they only want to make ONE 3G iphone then they would have to incorporate a radio similar to the one in the tilt/kaiser. however since apples main obligation is to AT&T i wouldnt be suprised if they only released a 3G iphone that works on AT&Ts 3G network.

Perhaps that is the n95. I have a Sidekick 2, and have absolutely *NO* battery issues with AIM & Yahoo running at all times.

If the Sidekick 2 (which is 3 year old phone) has no issues, why should the iPhone have an issues? Especially, since the iPhone is supposedly: "The most advanced phone in the world?"

w00master

rofl. you see im comparing the n95 to the future 3G iphone because they both use HSDPA so battery life will be similar. you trying to compare your sidekick 2 that uses GPRS for data is a totally ridiculous comparison. apples to oranges.

 

[irun5k]

I don't like Apple any better than Microsoft. They're cut from the same cloth and that cloth is named GREED.

To be fair, Microsoft is a lot more open in certain areas than Apple. Microsoft doesn't usually keep their developers in the dark and they don't pull this over-arching secrecy crap all the time.

 

[skinnylegs]

If the agreement (no matter how silly) makes it wrong, then I guess I'm wrong. Consider it civil disobedience.

OT
I haven't surfed at all this winter. I've been rehabbing from a torn (and then repaired) ACL I got wakeboarding last fall

I hardly get out in the winter 'cause even with a wetsuit it's just too darn cold! LOL I do, however, get out quite a bit during the summer.

 

[r4m3n]

Do you really think Apple is all that worried about all the unlocking and jailbreaking that goes around? Again, AT&T has MORE to lose out of all this. Of course, Apple is gonna go out and say they don't condone this behavior to please the AT&T execs and honor the contract they held. But seriously, i think Apple has clearly benefited from the jailbreak community.

More unlocked phones = more buyers = higher sales = win for Apple.

Have you noticed that the customizable springboard menu Apple has included with 1.1.3, functions and looks EXACTLY like the summerboard hack that came out prior?...right down to the page dots!

Have you noticed that the AppStore functions and looks almost EXACTLY like the Installer.app that has already been out months ago? In addition, it was the dev teams that found security loopholes and created patches for the iPhone since 1.1.1! They've done all the dirty work and provided useful apps that Apple has yet to come out with almost 1 year after launch.

It makes me wonder, had the dev team hackers not been around, would the updates to 1.1.3 customizability and the AppStore functionality to come in 2.0 look and work differently, if they even have been planned at all?

 

[irun5k]

Question: When I see him, do I restrain him myself and then call and wait until the guys at the Genius Bar can get there? Or do I let them know ahead of time so they can surround the Dim Sum restaurant and storm in during the eating of the steamed pork buns?

Jailbroken = Jail time!

LOL. Have you heard of the new Dateline series, "To Catch a Jailbreaker?" The police come in at the end while the camera is still on and rough up the offender pretty good. You might make sure you leave the room before this happens or else you might get caught up in the take-down.

 

[koobcamuk]

I'm not down with the whole Jailbreaking thing. Maybe it's generational or maybe it's just me.

When you activate your iPhone, you electronically consent to the Terms of Agreement where Apple explicitly states that you can't do stuff like Jailbreak the phone. Color me stupid but I respect that agreement.

Mind you, I understand why someone would want to add some fun and silly apps. but the bottom line is that it's illegal and wrong. Of course, many/most of the people who are Jailbreaking their iPhone grew up with peer-to-peer file "sharing" (and I use that term very loosely) and feel they have a right to free music. Go figure......

I bought one and didn't activate it. Therefore, I am not breaking the law. Go figure...

 

[koobcamuk]

There is nothing inherently wrong with changing the wallpaper on your iPhone but if doing so requires not honoring your agreement.....yeah, it's wrong.

When I bought my iPhone, the only agreement I made was that I would pay them with the card number I just gave them. Seriously, I bought the phone and no contract. It's mine. I can throw it into the sea if I wanted to.

Would all you people that have problems with it also get worked up about those people that put Linux onto their iPods a few years ago?

 

[jamesarm97]

Too bad Apple doesn't put some sort of callback in the system that can trigger apps based on events / notifications / email.

I hope there will be an option to background somehow also because I think it would open up a lot of potential for utilities such as a notification / alert reminder even if you are force to sleep / go idle for a minute at a time or something.

 

[koobcamuk]

I love how once again, you can see the dividing line between those who blindly follow and worship Apple no matter what and those who look at Apple in a more realistic light: a company who produces great products but isn't perfect (nor divine).

w00master

well said w00master. I agree 100%. I used to be a fan-boy - now I just like using OSX over windows and like how my computer looks. Apple are not perfect - just a little better than the competition in some areas.

 

[r4m3n]

I'm not down with the whole Jailbreaking thing. Maybe it's generational or maybe it's just me.

When you activate your iPhone, you electronically consent to the Terms of Agreement where Apple explicitly states that you can't do stuff like Jailbreak the phone. Color me stupid but I respect that agreement.

Mind you, I understand why someone would want to add some fun and silly apps. but the bottom line is that it's illegal and wrong. Of course, many/most of the people who are Jailbreaking their iPhone grew up with peer-to-peer file "sharing" (and I use that term very loosely) and feel they have a right to free music. Go figure......

Please tell me, Mr. I-Bend-Over-For-The-Law, you have honestly never in your life...recorded a song onto a cassette tape and lent it to your friend; Never recorded a show onto VHS to watch and keep; Burned a music or software CD for a friend; Never downloaded and listened to an MP3 song that wasn't purchased legally; Never gone over the speed limit; Never opened up a PC to install new hardware; and NEVER once owned or used software you didn't purchase at full cost.

And let's not forget about NOT drinking any alcohol until you were fully 21...

 

[Otaviano]

I agree 100%. I used to be a fan-boy - now I just like using OSX over windows and like how my computer looks. Apple are not perfect - just a little better than the competition in some areas.

I think I fall into this camp

 

[gnasher729]

Would all you people that have problems with it also get worked up about those people that put Linux onto their iPods a few years ago?

It's something psychological. Lots of people don't want to use jailbreaking themselves (I wouldn't want to use it myself), so somehow they convince themselves that it is wrong to do it.

 

[koobcamuk]

Please tell me, Mr. I-Bend-Over-For-The-Law, you have honestly nevered in your life...recorded a song onto a cassette tape and lent it to your friend; Never recorded a show onto VHS to watch and keep; Burned a music or software CD for a friend; Never downloaded and listened to an MP3 song that wasn't purchased legally; Never gone over the speed limit; Never opened up a PC to install new hardware; and NEVER once owned or used software you didn't purchase at full cost.

... found money on the floor and kept it?

pwned. Nicely done r4m3n

It's something psychological. Lots of people don't want to use jailbreaking themselves (I wouldn't want to use it myself), so somehow they convince themselves that it is wrong to do it.

I can see what you're saying... but c'mon. Live a little! It's not wrong to do it. Some people's morals are all over the place. The same people that wouldn't want to hack an iPhone so you can play a cool game on it, would probably cheer some lunatic right-wing politician into power so he can decimate some middle-eastern country... and not even think twice about it. They're all good though - because they haven't broken "the law".

n.b. there is no law against jailbreaking if you buy the handset direct from Apple.

'Nuff said.

What the hell does that mean? PM me if you want to clarify. I'm not going to offend lots of people that believe in God right here and now, but please, let me know why my not believing in God warrants "enough said". Are my morals bad because I don't believe in God?

I have changed my mind. I wish I was in America right now so we could have a chat about this face to face.

 

[ruinfx]

i think the reason people jailbreak is because we all know the iphone should have been sold unlocked directly from apple in the first place so that you could use it on any GSM carrier.

 

[pubius]

What if you owned a company that had a great product and sold it to people... had an agreement with another company to get it out to people. But then someone breaks the idea and sells it to someone else? But its still your product? What now? ...... I'm curious to know how you all feel.

I'm a Graphic Artist / Artist / Illustrator

i'm going to guess that if that break sold a couple extra hundred thousand products to people that normally couldn't have it... i wouldn't be too bothered. i'm confused by the selling part... did someone sell something here? jailbreaking doesn't cost a dime.

 

[koobcamuk]

roducts to people that normally couldn't have it... i wouldn't be too bothered. i'm confused by the selling part... did someone sell something here? jailbreaking doesn't cost a dime.

Apparently, it'll cost you your soul.

If you have one. (I don't have a soul).

 

[rogersthat]

cool

can't wait the 2.0,

 

[Dan1990]

I have to disagree with a number of reply's saying that because you bought an iPhone you should be able to tinker with it in whatever way you want. The fact is that you did just that: you bought an iPhone and so apple wouldn't have any problem with you canabalizing it in whatever way you wanted, but you only payed for a license to run their iPhone OS and so of course you don't have the right to tear that appart.

 

[pine1045]

This is one of the reasons I typically don't get caught up in these types of discussions. LOL

I *never* made the argument that "few people are interested in Jailbreaking." I *did* say that the vast majority of iPhone owners have not Jailbroken their iPhone and I stand by this assertion.

Most people don't jailbreak their phones because 1) They don't know how or 2) They got this pretty looking device and don't even know what jailbreaking is. The "jailbreak at your own risk" scares people off. And if it weren't for jailbreaking in the first place we wouldn't even have an SDK. Apple's original stance was webapps only. So toot your horn about it being illegal, but civil disobedience caused the change in the first place. So do us a favor in June, and don't upgrade 2.0 because you're so thankless to those who are responsible for this change.

 

[sleepingworker]

LOL. Have you heard of the new Dateline series, "To Catch a Jailbreaker?" The police come in at the end while the camera is still on and rough up the offender pretty good. You might make sure you leave the room before this happens or else you might get caught up in the take-down.

Advice well taken! Glad there will be cameras though

 

[gmon750]

Jeez... what's everybody's beef tonight?

Who says I value my battery life above an IM connection?


Why do you care so much?

Apple makes most of their iPhone revenue from their subscribers. That revenue in turn, gets put back into R&D for it. It's what paid to make the firmware updates. It's what paid to the hardworking engineers to develop and enhance it. What motivation would Apple have to continue making an already great product better if it feels its not getting what they believe to be a fair return on their investment?

I don't view my monthly phone payment as some contribution to a corporate conglomerate that is sticking-it to the little guy. It's a fair price to pay for the amazing support I get and knowing that Apple will provide to me (as part of my subscription) continued support and enhancements. Why do you feel this part of the plan is so blasphemous? Nothing is free and as far as I'm concerned, the jailbreakers don't deserve squat and can continue to b***h about Apple not supporting them. You've got to pay to play. We are the ones paying Apple to continue the updates and you freeloaders just do anything and everything you can to basically steal from us.

Apple didn't release an SDK because of the hacker community. Apple had this planned long ago. Timing is everything. It's only your pitiful egos that have you believing you had any part of this.

As usual, leave it to the freeloading, parent's-basement-dwelling, self-entitled whiners to ruin it for everyone else.

 

[sleepingworker]

What if you owned a company that had a great product and sold it to people... had an agreement with another company to get it out to people. But then someone breaks the idea and sells it to someone else? But its still your product? What now? ...... I'm curious to know how you all feel.

I'm a Graphic Artist / Artist / Illustrator

Not sure how your scenario relates to the discussion of cracking the iPhone. Many iPhones were cracked because the person wanted to purchase the iPhone and didn't want to be tied down to using AT&T, or there was no carrier agreement in their country, or they were still under contract with another carrier.

What ever the reason, they all purchased the iphone ... at a premium price BTW, and not subsidized like most of the phones one gets when signing a two year agreement with a carrier.

 

[tuneman07]

What if I run my Iphone over with my truck? Is that considered breaking my contract with Apple? What if Apple specifies a time period within which you can use your phone? Oh man I guess since Apple said it and its in the contract we must follow it- you can only use your phone between 6am and 6pm anything else is WRONG because Apple said so!

 

[pubius]

I'm not down with the whole Jailbreaking thing. Maybe it's generational or maybe it's just me.

When you activate your iPhone, you electronically consent to the Terms of Agreement where Apple explicitly states that you can't do stuff like Jailbreak the phone. Color me stupid but I respect that agreement.

Mind you, I understand why someone would want to add some fun and silly apps. but the bottom line is that it's illegal and wrong. Of course, many/most of the people who are Jailbreaking their iPhone grew up with peer-to-peer file "sharing" (and I use that term very loosely) and feel they have a right to free music. Go figure......

i think it's also that old generational view that everything is right with the world if you just play by the rules. as an artist on itunes i will tell you that the money going to the artist these days is fractional (save for a select few, and trust me, they don't need any more money). give the other musicians a couple dollars when you see them in person. support the live music (actually, this may be a stretch, but it's a nice, realistic, and authentic gesture). there are fewer music giants (finally) and more artists (well, more in the public eye, since the advent of the internet)... that isn't an equation that works out well for the musician.

musicians have more ways to distribute their own music, in the end, what it's really about. musicians aquire fans through copying. when i was a kid i bought records. tape decks became readily available and we made tapes of records for friends. they loved it and bought the record. but, times have changed, and music has become disassociated from a physical product. it kinda sucks, because there was an art to the compete package. but... it will never go back. that's just the way it goes. some people, like myself will find a way to get a digital file of the album art, because that's how we remember it. wait, getting off track...

i didn't grow up with file sharing. but anyone that didn't (like myself), copied records onto tapes, or copied tapes, the two aren't so different. don't listen to the hype created by the music industry, it's coming from suits, not musicians. save for a few greedy and shameless (metallica anyone?).