iPhone 2.0 Firmware Jailbroken Already?

[diamond.g]

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I don't view my monthly phone payment as some contribution to a corporate conglomerate that is sticking-it to the little guy. It's a fair price to pay for the amazing support I get and knowing that Apple will provide to me (as part of my subscription) continued support and enhancements. Why do you feel this part of the plan is so blasphemous? Nothing is free and as far as I'm concerned, the jailbreakers don't deserve squat and can continue to b***h about Apple not supporting them. You've got to pay to play. We are the ones paying Apple to continue the updates and you freeloaders just do anything and everything you can to basically steal from us.
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As usual, leave it to the freeloading, parent's-basement-dwelling, self-entitled whiners to ruin it for everyone else.

WTF mate??!! Some of us do pay for our phone service with AT&T and still want to jailbreak our phones. Shoot some of us are paying for more than one iPhone so does that mean we get more of a say than those that only pay for 1?

You may wanna be careful where you lump people together.

 

[Spades]

The fact is that you did just that: you bought an iPhone and so apple wouldn't have any problem with you canabalizing it in whatever way you wanted, but you only payed for a license to run their iPhone OS and so of course you don't have the right to tear that appart.

Sosumi

 

[onionperson654]

I have to disagree with a number of reply's saying that because you bought an iPhone you should be able to tinker with it in whatever way you want. The fact is that you did just that: you bought an iPhone and so apple wouldn't have any problem with you canabalizing it in whatever way you wanted, but you only payed for a license to run their iPhone OS and so of course you don't have the right to tear that appart.

If they continue to "account" differently for the ipod touch and thus charge for updates, then they are effectively saying that once you purchase it, its yours to play with. While the iPhone does get support for new apps and phone capabilities after it leaves the store, the ipod touch is fully one's own device. While that doesn't technically make it right to steal Apple's applications (if you, i.e., hacked mail onto your device rather than bought it, or did so before Apple released mail for ipod touches, like me), 3rd party apps should be free game.

Luckily, there isn't a whole lot Apple can do about THAT.

 

[morespce54]

Isn't jailbreaking the iPhone 2.0 software a breach of their NDA? I'm sure Apple put that in the Beta-release License Agreement somewhere.

And for the people who say you can run whatever you want on your iPhone just because you want to, that isn't necessarily true. Apple regulates this kind of stuff all of the time. It is illegal to run OS X on non-Apple hardware (except for virtualization of Mac OS X Sever, IIRC). Point being, when you use Apple products, you agree to their terms, and that is a contract whether you like it or not.

Unless there is something different about the iPhone, I don't see why people breaking the law should be encouraged. If I am misinformed about this issue, please correct me!

Well, actually, it's totally different. If I buy a MBP, I can install *whatever* I want on the machine (be Linux, or even Windows). Heck, I can even try to install 9.2 if I really want to loose my week-end. The *device* is mine.

Now, If I want to modify, distribute or sell any version of their product (hardware or software), that's illegal (EULA).

Let's put it this way: It might be illegal to run OS X on an non-Apple hardware (EULA) but it's not (and will never be) illegal to install whatever non-Apple software on your Apple hardware.


If they signed a NDA, then it's probably illegal for them to modify/distribute/discuss the software but it's not illegal for iPhone owners to install it...

 

[Niiro13]

How the unicorn did they get firmware 2.0 anyway? I thought for now only those who had the SDK beforehand have it...otherwise we would have heard something about our applications for the Developer Program...

Or did Apple already start giving out the Developer Program stuff?

 

[sleepingworker]

As usual, leave it to the freeloading, parent's-basement-dwelling, self-entitled whiners to ruin it for everyone else.

What?! Have your opinion about "cracking" but you have no idea who is on this site, where we live (or what part of the house we live in), what we've accomplished, and how much we spend on Apple products to support their R&D or anything else for that matter.

Your insults don't serve your opinions well.

 

[igglepuff]

I bought one and didn't activate it. Therefore, I am not breaking the law. Go figure...

i was looking for the post you commented on to mention exactly that. Im on an iphone, never activated it through itunes nor w att. makes me feel all tingly inside

 

[igglepuff]

Nah, IMO your list is kinda lame, sorry.

In recent articles on some large Mac sites, lists have been made of what are the popular, good, or desirable iPhone applications and the vast majority of them are easily handled by the SDK as it currently exists, even if we suppose an extremely restrictive control scenario by Apple (and note that there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Apple will actually be that restrictive when it comes to iPhone apps).


ie. a few geeks
already announced as possible/coming with SDK
irrelevant, we are talking about hacking apps not unlocking same as 3same as 1I don't either.

My point was that with the SDK, what will happen is the iPhone "hacker community" will be reduced to:

• a few geeks and nerds that do no harm, hack for the challenge alone and Apple could care less about, (i.e. "true" hackers) and ....
  
• criminal-esque 1337 haxors (kiddies).

Just my opinion of course, but I am usually right

yea, whoever would want a standard mms function on a 400$ handset. damn you kids wanting standard options on your high-priced devices

someone will come up with the 'email photos' argument i'm sure, too bad most people don't have data or want to pay (usually way over priced) for it on their phone.

i agree with the hacking thing to an extent, most serious developers will hope on developing native apps, no question there, and i'd hope they will. but hacking the device prior had its benefits.

 

[arn]

Apple makes most of their iPhone revenue from their subscribers. That revenue in turn, gets put back into R&D for it. It's what paid to make the firmware updates. It's what paid to the hardworking engineers to develop and enhance it. What motivation would Apple have to continue making an already great product better if it feels its not getting what they believe to be a fair return on their investment?

REPEAT AFTER ME

Jailbreaking the iPhone (installing applications) is not the same as Unlocking the iPhone (using it not on AT&T).

People who (just) Jailbreak the iPhone to install applications still pay AT&T/Apple the same fee as people who don't.

arn

 

[spazzcat]

REPEAT AFTER ME

Jailbreaking the iPhone (installing applications) is not the same as Unlocking the iPhone (using it not on AT&T).

People who (just) Jailbreak the iPhone to install applications still pay AT&T/Apple the same fee as people who don't.

arn

And its important to note neither of these actives are illegal under US law. I can't remember which court, maybe be US Supreme, ruled it was not illegal to unlock your phone. And it has never been illegal to install software on a computer or phone you have bought.

 

[Tosser]

Jailbreaking the iPhone (installing applications) is not the same as Unlocking the iPhone (using it not on AT&T).

People who (just) Jailbreak the iPhone to install applications still pay AT&T/Apple the same fee as people who don't.

Only happy to oblige …

 

[Lionheart]

REPEAT AFTER ME

Jailbreaking the iPhone (installing applications) is not the same as Unlocking the iPhone (using it not on AT&T).

People who (just) Jailbreak the iPhone to install applications still pay AT&T/Apple the same fee as people who don't.

arn

Thank you, Arn. (This is the most vocal I've seen you in here since I've been hanging around!)

It seems to me as though the iSheep percentage is going up on Macrumors a bit in the past few months. Or they are just coming out of the woodwork to pledge their undying loyalties to the way of the Steve?

C'mon people. Live and let live. This is a place where we're all free to be as ignorant as we choose to remain. Can't we all just get along?

You can have my jailbroken, personalized, customized iPhone when you pry it out of my cold dead fingers!

 

[darkblu]

jailbreaking/hacking/hammer-smashing your iphone/dishwasher/toaster is not illegal, and less so immoral. it just voids your customer contract with apple, as in apple does not have any obligations to you anymore. part of that is the warranty, but it goes furhter than that - it may render the device totally useless in the original context provided by the vendor - say, it may stop working with itunes whatsoever. but all those free spirits should suck it up and take the consequences of their actions without a single compaint. as simple as that, fair and square.

now, the iphone developer's perspective is a bit different: if the jailbroken devices will allow their owners to download and run commercial products without paying their due then i, as a potential iphone developer, will think twice of what my plans are for the platform. and yes, that will eventually affect my prospective customers - i may raise the price to account for piracy-incurred losses, or i may scrap (new versions) of my project altogether. so yes, jailbreaking has its far implications. if you don't believe me check the psp market - it's been almost dead ever since the 'custom fw equals piracy' outbreak.

 

[manhattanboy]

Maybe a dumb question here: Why can't Apple sue people that do this?

you're fired for even suggesting this

 

[Mitch1984]

I ain't gonna trust non certified apps, I'm not going to jailbreak my phone and get all my apps off the store.

 

[rjohnstone]

If they signed a NDA, then it's probably illegal for them to modify/distribute/discuss the software but it's not illegal for iPhone owners to install it...

Slow down there sparky... you just dug yourself into a hole with that statement.
It is a "crime/illegal" to install software that has been stolen or unlawfully acquired. Read the DMCA.
Since the 2.0 software is covered under an NDA and a license agreement for conditions of use, which is a legally binding contract, Apple could take you to court for being in possession of and using, pirated software.
The FBI could also charge you with violating the DMCA.
Last time I checked, software piracy is still illegal.

 

[Lionheart]

now, the iphone developer's perspective is a bit different: if the jailbroken devices will allow their owners to download and run commercial products without paying their due then i, as a potential iphone developer, will think twice of what my plans are for the platform. and yes, that will eventually affect my prospective customers - i may raise the price to account for piracy-incurred losses, or i may scrap (new versions) of my project altogether. so yes, jailbreaking has its far implications. if you don't believe me check the psp market - it's been almost dead ever since the 'custom fw equals piracy' outbreak.

True...but look at what the developer community has so graciously and freely given to us so far. There are always those who refuse to pay for anything, but I maintain that a HUGE number of people will pay for useful apps willingly out of a sense of conscience and desire to keep the platform viable.

IMHO if developers don't get too greedy, they stand to make a LOT of money on this platform.

 

[Lionheart]

I ain't gonna trust non certified apps, I'm not going to jailbreak my phone and get all my apps off the store.

There's the reason why Apple will do well. No worries.

 

[daneoni]

People should, in the end, do what works for them and their morals. If you want to jailbreak/hack/unlock then have fun and if you want to keep to the straight/narrow then have fun

However neither camp has any right to tell the other what to do or judge them because you then become a pontificator...and an obnoxious one at that.

The iPhone hacking community will exist for a long time and there's little Apple/Carriers/Fan-boys/Elitists/Moral high-grounders/Hippies or whatever can do about it. Even people within Apple want hacking efforts to continue this is how 1.1.3 got leaked b4 official released

 

[Glideslope]

People should, in the end, do what works for them and their morals. If you want to jailbreak/hack/unlock then have fun and if you want to keep to the straight/narrow then have fun

However neither camp has any right to tell the other what to do or judge them because you then become a pontificator...and an obnoxious one at that.

The iPhone hacking community will exist for a long time and there's little Apple/Carriers/Fan-boys/Elitists/Moral high-grounders/Hippies or whatever can do about it. Even people within Apple want hacking efforts to continue this is how 1.1.3 got leaked b4 official released

Completely agree with your last sentence. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they almost encourage it. Eventually all the holes are plugged.

 

[chickenninja]

what! no emulators on iphones, well theres officially a new way to spell "fail".

 

[jimmer-uk]

I love how once again, you can see the dividing line between those who blindly follow and worship Apple no matter what and those who look at Apple in a more realistic light: a company who produces great products but isn't perfect (nor divine).

w00master

Good post.

These forums seem to be full of under knowledged, over opinionated know it alls spouting off all kinds of rubbish. I'm guessing there all around 14 year olds etc

I have an iphone, I bought it from o2, donating £329 ($660ish) to mr jobs. I think that's enough to cover the costs of the handset. I then took it home, owning it as i'd paid and promptly jaily broke and unlocked it. I did not activate it and agree to 02 and apples terms of how to use my already paid for device. Does that make me a thief? a terroist? someone spoling it for everyone else? No, I bought it fair and square and want to use it how I like.

Don't get too wrapped up on the amount apple take from the ongoing contract, they only take a share and as the iphone establishes itself and carriers are re negotiating i'm sure they'll take less of a slice, if any at all in the future. Then where does that leave your morals?

I'm sick of reading comments from the under educated telling ME how to use MY device. Get over it whingers, you know who you are.

ps. sony are releasing a new tv this year, but as they don't like american football they have decided to ban it's viewing from tv, instead whenever a football match comes on there going to shove sumo wrestling down your throat as they like that

 

[EagerDragon]

I think this entire conversation is going to be moot soon.

As soon as the end of June, there will be quite a few apps available at the app store. Within a month or two of that the numbers of apps will bulge.

Developers doing applications for the jailbroken phones are going to move to the SDK and the App store.

There will always be some that hold-out, but they will become the minority, and little by little they will also move since very few jailbroken software will still be available, and the developers see their oposites making money while they are not.

IMHO unless Apple makes a major blunder, this is over in a few short months. Everyone to their corners, the bell just rang.

 

[jimmer-uk]

I think this entire conversation is going to be moot soon.

As soon as the end of June, there will be quite a few apps available at the app store. Within a month or two of that the numbers of apps will bulge.

Developers doing applications for the jailbroken phones are going to move to the SDK and the App store.

There will always be some that hold-out, but they will become the minority, and little by little they will also move since very few jailbroken software will still be available, and the developers see their oposites making money while they are not.

IMHO unless Apple makes a major blunder, this is over in a few short months. Everyone to their corners, the bell just rang.

I don't think that will be the case at all. Devs always tinker with things. Just look at WM devices. There's nothing like the restrictions there is on the iphone and yet there's a strong community of devs building new firmwares and homebrews. It's also the case of bragging rights and for want of a better word, it can be a hobby. Why climb a mountain? becasue it's there. Besides, just becasue apple releases an app store it doesn't mean people won't still be wanting to unlock their handsets for use with a carrier of their choice or even a country where it is not available

 

[EagerDragon]

I don't think that will be the case at all. Devs always tinker with things. Just look at WM devices. There's nothing like the restrictions there is on the iphone and yet there's a strong community of devs building new firmwares and homebrews. It's also the case of bragging rights and for want of a better word, it can be a hobby. Why climb a mountain? becasue it's there. Besides, just becasue apple releases an app store it doesn't mean people won't still be wanting to unlock their handsets for use with a carrier of their choice or even a country where it is not available

I did say there will be some hold-outs, but obviously you think it will be bigger than that.

Well lets check back in December and see who got it right. Ok?