iPhone 2.1 Beta 4 Seeded, Removes Push Notification Service

[vandozza]

there are far too many reports for it to be "not real."

i certainly agree with you Iria!
however i put the disclaimer (perceived or real) because whenever i suggest there might actually be a problem, i end up getting flamed

 

[GregA]

Do you guys think Apple will host an event for the iPod in September, and then just announce the release of 2.1, and possibly push services, just to add some more stuff to show off? xD

If the iPod Touch is being upgraded very soon (which I find highly likely), it may be that it requires 2.1. So if 2.1 with push isn't quite ready, better to focus on a system that works and get that out the door.

 

[bogg]

How do you think this should work? You can't expect to have a continuous connection when you actually disconnect from the network you're connected with.

You guys must have some wacked up type of EDGE/UMTS network... I can switch between 3G and GSM/EDGE without losing calls. Just go out of reach of the 3G coverage and whoops, a crackle in the sound and there we go, back to normal. But over EDGE instead.

Almost seamlessly...Can't figure out why it should be any different for you.

 

[MattInOz]

Well you have to get push data to the phone somehow.. that requires a data connection. Running push on the iphone keeps the network up 24/7 already - otherwise it couldn't work.. it needs a consistent IP address. It's passive.. which means you can probably reduce the power usage somewhat, but it'll never be a zero drain. The original point being background apps waiting on a port wouldn't add to that one bit.

I'm told that blackberry have some means of signalling their phones directly in the same manner that SMS works but can't find any details of it.. probably proprietary and closely guarded.

I still can't really tell the difference between 2g and 3g for battery on the iphone. Both are around a days battery, give or take. Wifi off adds a little more.. but you want Wifi or 3G on somewhere because the iphone is primarily an internet device (to me at least).

Don't the early blackberries use an SMS to not so avoid having a persistent connection but to keep use of someone eles connection.

I hope Apple is designing Push as a Distributed System, like a Murder of Cyrus.

Your phone company has to keep track of how to connect to your phone.

More so I hope Apple, RIM, MS, google,Cellphone Companies and the other stakeholders let go of self interest in this case and work together a bit. (yes i realise that is a lot of self interested people with no interest in giving up their self interest.)

An Push open source project, so service providers could have servers for their own clients and use the existing device tracking so it needs no additional battery draining IP connection. Application Authors and those service providers could be confident in only having to support one implimentation.

Oh and most of all Businesses could have there own hosts for in house Wifi but still talk to the network as a whole for mobile works.

 

[Otaviano]

Some of the suggestions to do with MMS being obsolete are downright ludicrous. Maybe this is the difference between the UK and the US market. In the UK I can safely say that many people I know use MMS on an almost daily basis, not everybody has email on their phone, and sometimes people just want to send a picture straight away. It's a lot simply than emailing because you can guarantee they get it as of that moment, rather than relying on them checking their email later.

But as I said, maybe in the US it isnt all that popular. Just like in the US, the majority use AIM, whereas in the UK, no-one does, its all MSN.

I think you need to show a bit of forward thinking. The MMS format is not all that important, if it was it would have eaten into iPhone sales. Heck it's not even standardized and there is a wide difference between carriers on how it's handled. I need to log into a website to receive my MMS, and for the record I've never received anything that was worth the hassle.

I think every cell manufacturer in the planet is banking on serious smart phone adoption in the coming two years. So for a company like Apple to cut out a mediocre feature realizing that it can be handled better in a different manner was actually to be expected. I bet they even wanted to remove SMS in favor of an iChat type of alternative, however that would have cut into sales.

Isn't there an App Store solution for all the MMS faithful? The jialbraking community had one a long time ago.

 

[Juo100]

The push notification on my iPhone (for email) is constantly going, takes a software reboot to fix it. Is this normal?

I can see why they need more time however ill remain quietly optimistic that this will be out by the end of September

 

[santelia]

This is such a fanboy response and someone who has clearly drunk the "kool-aid." Don't you realize that email is the anachronistic method of communication. We come from snailmail, email, then texting (MMS is just an extension.) You see, texting is the only true form of instant push communication. Nothing to configure because it is what it is. With push email things have to be configured for push - why mobileme took such a hit. Apple doesn't want to have mms because they want more money for mobileme. You see, the only way to get pictures from someone on an iphone is through email. And Apple will certainly sell you that service through mobileme which now has push capabilities that is to suppose to mimic MMS.

All this talk about how Apple is making the best choice for not including MMS and it's better for the public is pure BS. Remember Apple is in it for the money not to make your life easier (well they only use that if it benefits them.)

Never considered anyone's right to have different opinion from yours? Remember, what you write is what you show to be. End of the story.

 

[entwife]

This is the two button mouse issue all over. Apple wants to kill this terribly exploitative "service" by moving all image transfers to email. They don't care that every other phone out there uses mms. They are drawing a line in the sand. Whether it is worth it, I don't know (see two-button mouse).

totally, people drive me nuts with all the "mms is dead" rubbish, put it this way, on my n95 i could send mms with multiple pictures, video and i could add sound and voice overs, on my iPhone i can send one picture, one.

If that is not a step backwards i dont know what is.

Dont get me wrong i love my iPhone and due to it ive never emailed so much in my life BUT the lack of mms is (in the UK anyway) a huge over sight.

Also in the UK mms are generally included in text allowances so you dont normally pay extra for them (Orange is only exception that comes to mind)


The iPhone is amazing, it is untouchable in certain ways, but then fails hugely in others (bluetooth, copy paste etc) it is not perfect by a long way, the sooner people realise this the better.

And just because i have acknowledged faults doesnt mean i dont love the phone.

 

[skinnylegs]

Isn't there an App Store solution for all the MMS faithful?

No.

need to log into a website to receive my MMS, and for the record I've never received anything that was worth the hassle.

That's the point. With MMS you don't need to log onto a website.

 

[freeny]

Push is such a battery hog. I am much happier with fetch.

I do like the fact that you have a choice...

 

[acaullier]

When can we get the 2.1 ?

Anybody knows when we can expect this 2.1 to be available to users ?
The lagging and crashes are a real pain

 

[Ori]

Yeah, it's dead. Just like cars that run on gasoline are dead. Except, oh wait, what's that, a hundred million obsolete cars that are still running on gasoline.

It's not dead when everyone still uses it. As it stands, I know and/or work with several thousand people who all use MMS regularly, and about 6 iPhone users who are never in the loop. Oh, but we're so advanced.

Agreed. MMS is not dead. I got the ex wife and iphone so we can send images to each other and we share a web gallery to share prictures of our son.
Saying that, I have taken pictures and was desperate to send them to friends, but couldn't because they don't have email on their phone and would only receive it after the weekend when they get to work! I hate receiving MMS as I have to log in to that o2 web client in order to view it.

Sad really, but we need bug fixes as a top priority.

 

[stiang]

The big problem with lack of MMS is that I don’t even know that someone has sent me an MMS until the delivery times out, typically after three days. Only then do I get an SMS telling me to log on to a web site to see the MMS. At least this is the case with my provider - Telenor in Norway.

If there is a solution to this, I’d really like to know. I’m getting tired of explaining why I haven’t responded to messages people have sent me several days earlier.

 

[wizard]

I wish it were as simple as that, but for most of us it isn't.

The Email to MMS work around you mention is only available in the USA. In the UK and rest of Europe we don't have that work around.

It is embarrassing when I have to admit to friends and colleagues, sorry my phone isn't as advanced as yours for photo sharing, OK it kicks their asses on most other fronts , but none the less MMS is an unnecessary ommission by Apple.

As to the 'pulling' of 'push' in this beta, not too sure why this is an issue really as 'Push notification' services for third party apps isn't due until sometime in September (likely at the iPod keynote) anyway.

Kind regards

Seriously how many up skirt pics can you guys in Europe send before you get tire of it? All MMS is is a way to explot an immature minds need for instant gratification.

As to having to explain things to your friends develop a little backbone and tell them to have a good time with a flying donut. I don't try to mimic the behaviour of friends and niethbors nor do I expect them to do everything I do. You need to work on the idea that your are an individual.

Frankly I never go into Texting either so I left that capability off my AT&T contract also. Once you allow your mind to switch to the new way of doing things what IPhone offers up can be seen as a big advantage. If nothing else you save a lot of dough.

I'm sitting here thinking about your message and what tweaked to respond. I guess in a nut shell I'm wondering why Europeans have this need to conform to whatever their local circle of friends seem appear? So maybe my response really isn't about Apple products at all but more a question of why Europeans have this need for conformity.


Dave

 

[whooleytoo]

totally, people drive me nuts with all the "mms is dead" rubbish, put it this way, on my n95 i could send mms with multiple pictures, video and i could add sound and voice overs, on my iPhone i can send one picture, one.

If that is not a step backwards i dont know what is.

One thing about Apple (for better or worse) they've never been afraid to drop a standard/protocol if they felt they could do better.

Personally I've no problems if Apple have decided to ignore MMS, it's too expensive and I've found it to be unreliable too - (though YMMV).

The only problem is, they've left MMS out without providing an adequate alternative yet. I'm sure the iPhone OS will be constantly tweaked and improved over time, but as yet the SMS and "MMS-alternative" side are lacking.

 

[thirdeyeopen666]

Seriously how many up skirt pics can you guys in Europe send before you get tire of it? All MMS is is a way to explot an immature minds need for instant gratification.

As to having to explain things to your friends develop a little backbone and tell them to have a good time with a flying donut. I don't try to mimic the behaviour of friends and niethbors nor do I expect them to do everything I do. You need to work on the idea that your are an individual.

Frankly I never go into Texting either so I left that capability off my AT&T contract also. Once you allow your mind to switch to the new way of doing things what IPhone offers up can be seen as a big advantage. If nothing else you save a lot of dough.

I'm sitting here thinking about your message and what tweaked to respond. I guess in a nut shell I'm wondering why Europeans have this need to conform to whatever their local circle of friends seem appear? So maybe my response really isn't about Apple products at all but more a question of why Europeans have this need for conformity.


Dave

This is one of the most ignorant and moronic posts I've ever read... anywhere. I sincerely hope you're not American, as you bring shame to the word. Jesus. Please go away and never post again.

 

[Antares]

Maybe Apple just decided to push that feature to a later date......

Anywhoo, they should focus on priorities, first. Push Notification is not a priority.

 

[Trajectory]

Seriously how many up skirt pics can you guys in Europe send before you get tire of it? I guess in a nut shell I'm wondering why Europeans have this need to conform to whatever their local circle of friends seem appear?

Whoa. Travel much? I think not.

 

[Quincy9219]

Sheesh, can we stop with all the bad push puns. It's really getting old.

 

[schubes]

Seriously how many up skirt pics can you guys in Europe send before you get tire of it? All MMS is is a way to explot an immature minds need for instant gratification.

As to having to explain things to your friends develop a little backbone and tell them to have a good time with a flying donut. I don't try to mimic the behaviour of friends and niethbors nor do I expect them to do everything I do. You need to work on the idea that your are an individual.

Frankly I never go into Texting either so I left that capability off my AT&T contract also. Once you allow your mind to switch to the new way of doing things what IPhone offers up can be seen as a big advantage. If nothing else you save a lot of dough.

I'm sitting here thinking about your message and what tweaked to respond. I guess in a nut shell I'm wondering why Europeans have this need to conform to whatever their local circle of friends seem appear? So maybe my response really isn't about Apple products at all but more a question of why Europeans have this need for conformity.


Dave

Wow wtf

 

[Samuel88]

Seriously how many up skirt pics can you guys in Europe send before you get tire of it? All MMS is is a way to explot an immature minds need for instant gratification.

As to having to explain things to your friends develop a little backbone and tell them to have a good time with a flying donut. I don't try to mimic the behaviour of friends and niethbors nor do I expect them to do everything I do. You need to work on the idea that your are an individual.

Frankly I never go into Texting either so I left that capability off my AT&T contract also. Once you allow your mind to switch to the new way of doing things what IPhone offers up can be seen as a big advantage. If nothing else you save a lot of dough.

I'm sitting here thinking about your message and what tweaked to respond. I guess in a nut shell I'm wondering why Europeans have this need to conform to whatever their local circle of friends seem appear? So maybe my response really isn't about Apple products at all but more a question of why Europeans have this need for conformity.


Dave

 

[gcmexico]

it's here..downloading right now!!

 

[Marky_Mark]

Seriously how many up skirt pics can you guys in Europe send before you get tire of it? All MMS is is a way to explot an immature minds need for instant gratification.

As to having to explain things to your friends develop a little backbone and tell them to have a good time with a flying donut. I don't try to mimic the behaviour of friends and niethbors nor do I expect them to do everything I do. You need to work on the idea that your are an individual.

Frankly I never go into Texting either so I left that capability off my AT&T contract also. Once you allow your mind to switch to the new way of doing things what IPhone offers up can be seen as a big advantage. If nothing else you save a lot of dough.

I'm sitting here thinking about your message and what tweaked to respond. I guess in a nut shell I'm wondering why Europeans have this need to conform to whatever their local circle of friends seem appear? So maybe my response really isn't about Apple products at all but more a question of why Europeans have this need for conformity.


Dave

Wtf are you on?? You idiot

 

[entwife]

One thing about Apple (for better or worse) they've never been afraid to drop a standard/protocol if they felt they could do better.

Personally I've no problems if Apple have decided to ignore MMS, it's too expensive and I've found it to be unreliable too - (though YMMV).

The only problem is, they've left MMS out without providing an adequate alternative yet. I'm sure the iPhone OS will be constantly tweaked and improved over time, but as yet the SMS and "MMS-alternative" side are lacking.[/QUOTE\]

I have always found mms service to be spot on with tmobile and orange, almost instant delivery and tmobile included mms in flext allowance so it never cost extra, but obviously service will differ with different providers and countries.

it just really annoys me as mms is such a good feature, its more than just sending a picture, i used to make mini presentations on n95 etc and being able to send a video with voice overs etc was a brilliant way of sharing moments more with a more personal touch.

Also i do find it a bit embarrasing when people try to send me a picture/video and i cant recieve it and have to explane my 'jesus phone' doesnt support them.

I would pay for an app i guess.

 

[entwife]

Seriously how many up skirt pics can you guys in Europe send before you get tire of it? All MMS is is a way to explot an immature minds need for instant gratification.

As to having to explain things to your friends develop a little backbone and tell them to have a good time with a flying donut. I don't try to mimic the behaviour of friends and niethbors nor do I expect them to do everything I do. You need to work on the idea that your are an individual.

Frankly I never go into Texting either so I left that capability off my AT&T contract also. Once you allow your mind to switch to the new way of doing things what IPhone offers up can be seen as a big advantage. If nothing else you save a lot of dough.

I'm sitting here thinking about your message and what tweaked to respond. I guess in a nut shell I'm wondering why Europeans have this need to conform to whatever their local circle of friends seem appear? So maybe my response really isn't about Apple products at all but more a question of why Europeans have this need for conformity.


Dave

What an appauling message, hugely ignorrant.