This pushy service thing is not particularly important, but squashing remaining bugs from 2.0 is (especially the keyboard lag and the crappy 3G baseband firmware). Let's hope Apple spends a lot of time debugging this one.
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iPhone 2.1 Beta 4 Seeded, Removes Push Notification Service
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The main cause of backup corruption (for me at least) is when I cancel a backup that has started - doing this leaves the backup unusable. So once its started you really need to let it finish, or if you need a backup you're in trouble.
I take a copy of the backup when its completed, just in case anything goes wrong and it also means I can cancel backups if necessary - knowing I've at least got a good and recent backup to go back to. Don't rely on Time Machine either as the backup is excluded from it.
That wouldn't make sense. If they go with a bug fix first they're most likely to make that 2.0.2 rather than jump to 2.1. Its unlikely they'll add Push to a x.x.1 update either, more likely that will be a x.1.x update. If Push doesn't make 2.1 then I'd of thought we won't see it until 2.2.
They don't just make up the release numbers - there is a reason and pattern to them.
OOOhhh my god they pulled push,I'm so fed up with apple pulling stuff when they should be pushing stuff instead, I think Jobbsy should stop pulling his wanger and start pushing his staff and tell them stop pulling stuff and push it out, here we all are pulling our hair out waiting for Apple to push, push,
hope that made you smile
Tom
So, you would want Apple to force out low quality, buggy code that locks up your phone and renders it useless? Kinda what happened to some people when they release 2.0/2.0.1?
Thanks for the comment -
A couple of questions for you:
1)How do you copy your backup?
2)Does your iPhone backup take more than 2 hours? (Mine has.)
3)How can you easily sync your iPhone without the backup function starting?
I have already disabled automatic syncing of my iPhone because 1) the backup takes WAY too long and 2) when I really needed it, it didn't work anyway (and I had not cancelled it).
Thanks for any helpful tips you have!
A couple of questions for you:
1)How do you copy your backup?
2)Does your iPhone backup take more than 2 hours? (Mine has.)
3)How can you easily sync your iPhone without the backup function starting?
I have already disabled automatic syncing of my iPhone because 1) the backup takes WAY too long and 2) when I really needed it, it didn't work anyway (and I had not cancelled it).
Thanks for any helpful tips you have!
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This is the two button mouse issue all over. Apple wants to kill this terribly exploitative "service" by moving all image transfers to email. They don't care that every other phone out there uses mms. They are drawing a line in the sand. Whether it is worth it, I don't know (see two-button mouse).
This is the two button mouse issue all over. Apple wants to kill this terribly exploitative "service" by moving all image transfers to email. They don't care that every other phone out there uses mms. They are drawing a line in the sand. Whether it is worth it, I don't know (see two-button mouse).
Agreed, Apple made a decision, and is expecting their clout to carry the day. Maybe if this was the home computer market, they could make a decision like this and people would follow, but this is the cell phone market. They may be Apple, but in reality, the big players here are Samsung, Nokia, and Motorola. Apple doesn't have the cell phone clout to make a unilateral decision and expect the market to shift at Steve Jobs' word
they can only write a program that Apple says are ok. Most of the paid apps are at version 1.0 or 1.01 while most updates are from free programs.
what good is a program like AIM if it can't let you know if someone is trying to reach you? It's a joke. Apple just made a cool more millions and has 24 billion in cash on hand.
Just squash those bugs
Apple needs to come to a dead stop, and forget the promise for third-party push. Just spend the time needed to polish and speed up the 2.0 software. What they've done so far is amazing, but I really like the Snow Leopard idea. Just stomp out those bugs, improve performance, and polish the interface. After that, we can start thinking about the new features.
In the meantime, the current applications are giving me plenty to enjoy.
Apple needs to come to a dead stop, and forget the promise for third-party push. Just spend the time needed to polish and speed up the 2.0 software. What they've done so far is amazing, but I really like the Snow Leopard idea. Just stomp out those bugs, improve performance, and polish the interface. After that, we can start thinking about the new features.
In the meantime, the current applications are giving me plenty to enjoy.
Sounds to me like Push may well be coming in September as planned, but Apple wants to release 2.1 before then
In other words, whatever 2.1 brings is coming SOONER than expected, instead of waiting for Push to be ready in September.
Only a guess.
We can only hope but I for one am not holding my breath.
some of us would like to actually do both but will take whatever we can get ASAP.
Fix iPhone 3G Call Connectivity first!
Seriously Apple, if I wanted a wi-fi device to get push notification from my Facebook account or an IM app, I would have purchased the Touch. I got the f'in iPHONE 3G because I needed a PHONE. You know, something that I could make a PHONE CALL with without having to reboot the thing 3 times to get it to connect even though the display shows full signal strength bars. Or even better, maybe a PHONE that would actually RING when someone was CALLING me rather than it going straight to voicemail. Just got off the phone with AT&T to start the discussion of first, getting a credit for the last ~2 weeks of piss poor service, and second, to get out of this contract. Once that happens, this brick of a thing is going to land back at your store on Michigan Ave in Chicago, a 3G thick coverage area and you're gonna give me my money back. And no, I won't be buying a Touch with the cash.
Seriously Apple, if I wanted a wi-fi device to get push notification from my Facebook account or an IM app, I would have purchased the Touch. I got the f'in iPHONE 3G because I needed a PHONE. You know, something that I could make a PHONE CALL with without having to reboot the thing 3 times to get it to connect even though the display shows full signal strength bars. Or even better, maybe a PHONE that would actually RING when someone was CALLING me rather than it going straight to voicemail. Just got off the phone with AT&T to start the discussion of first, getting a credit for the last ~2 weeks of piss poor service, and second, to get out of this contract. Once that happens, this brick of a thing is going to land back at your store on Michigan Ave in Chicago, a 3G thick coverage area and you're gonna give me my money back. And no, I won't be buying a Touch with the cash.
Don't get your hopes up lol.... They are going to need at least a few more months before everything is fixed.
That is a lame excuse for Apple not providing a feature that many (most?) people want. Can we also dispel the myth that MMS is something only used by teenagers? I'm 48 years old and I use it all the time to communicate with friends and family. Sure, I can email my family/friends with iPhones and that's great but I also have a lot of family/friends who do not have iPhones and using the alternative method (@vzwpix.com etc.) is a pain in the arse.
Look....I'm not here to start flame wars and I am a strong supporter of Apple. I have an iMac, MB,
TV, iPhone and numerous iPods. Essentially, if Apple sells it I buy it. That said, I have been *very* disappointed with the latest iPhone software or firmware or whatever you call it. I bought a first generation iPhone on day one and found the pre-2.0 software to be great. The phone worked as advertised and syncing was a breeze. Since upgrading to 2.0 and 2.01 everything seems to be going south. The problems I have noticed are.....1. Custom ringtones stop working randomly.
2. Can't hear voicemail via BT ear piece.
3. Phone stops retrieving mail requiring a reboot.
4. Calendars don't sync properly.
5. UI is crazy slow.
The calendar thing *really* bugs me. I have multiple color-coded calendars (pending, reoccurring, meetings, holidays etc.) and it flat out doesn't sync properly. It either doesn't sync all calendars or items end up in the wrong calendar but the bottom line is that the calendar on my iPhone doesn't look anything like iCal and they should look identical seeing as the phone and iCal are both made my Apple.
I'll end my rant now by concluding that I will continue to use my iPhone and hope and pray that Apple works out these "kinks" quickly.
Not a step back. Push Notification hasn't been released yet.
Nothing has changed with Push Mail.
Yeah, it's dead. Just like cars that run on gasoline are dead. Except, oh wait, what's that, a hundred million obsolete cars that are still running on gasoline.
It's not dead when everyone still uses it. As it stands, I know and/or work with several thousand people who all use MMS regularly, and about 6 iPhone users who are never in the loop. Oh, but we're so advanced.
I agree. The ability to make calls and stay on the call without getting dropped is a core enabling feature of a cell phone.
Adding "push" is a nice to have. An important one, but it is not core.
The sad truth is Apple has been cutting corners for a couple of years now, both on the software side, but also with the hardware.
Apple finally got busted shipping software and hardware that is not production ready. (Leopard Server is still a total joke. Displays are still poorly lit. Heat issues through-out the mobile line, cracking iPhones, poor manufacturing fit and finish, sparking on the 30" displays for the past 5 years without a fix, Leopard client requiring the biggest patches in Apple's history and yet there are still features like Spaces and Firewall which make no sense in how they were designed, etc.)
I hope the executive team is finally understanding that innovation without quality is no way to build a consumer electronics/computer company. Sure, it works for exotic car makers, but not for the space Apple plays in.
Yeah, it's dead. Just like cars that run on gasoline are dead. Except, oh wait, what's that, a hundred million obsolete cars that are still running on gasoline.
It's not dead when everyone still uses it. As it stands, I know and/or work with several thousand people who all use MMS regularly, and about 6 iPhone users who are never in the loop. Oh, but we're so advanced.
THAT WAS THE BEST EXAMPLE I'VE EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!
I have to agree with several other people in this thread. So Apple is dropping push notification service in the near term? Good. Get some core issues resolved before continuing to thin out the OS any further. When is my "Snow" iPhone OS release date?