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iPhone 3.0 to Get MMS, Tethering, and Finally... Copy and Paste?
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Okay. New iPhone features (Exchange, SDK) were announced last March as well.
Unknown, but mid-2010 if you believe the latest rumors.
Totally false. IIRC, the time from the first iPhone's FCC application, to approval, was about six weeks. This can be made even less (down to a day) with outside tester help. You can start selling the moment it's approved.
Ugh. No thanks. I love the iPhone's compactness and sleek design, and I don't have to worry about some flimsy tiny pull-out keyboard breaking off, either.
I have no problem with the iPhone's on-screen keyboard -- it works quite well and is FAR more flexible in that the keyboard can change depending on the app (like having a ".com" key when entering a URL). That's impossible with a physical keyboard.
Every other smartphone has a tiny physical keyboard. The iPhone is better because it doesn't.
I'm talking about an iPhone Pro. you can keep your virtual keyboard. I just type faster on a real keyboard. Since when would the keyboard be flimsy and fall off? since this doesn't happen with most smart phones as they're put together well I'd expect an even better keyboard from Apple.
Yes sir, I did understand. Heck, we use video Skype daily to talk to family and friends around the world. Love it.
My point is that it's not possible to make direct comparisons between SMS and internet data. SMS is like buying corn by the ear. You pay the same whether it's got one kernel or 160. Data is like paying for a bag of popcorn. You're buying per kernel count (weight). Totally different things.
Another reason they're totally different is that waiting for a push message over a data connection costs extra battery power. Sometimes a lot of it. SMS doesn't do that.
1MB of SMS = 6500 texts = reason to get the unlimited messaging plan for $20, isn't it? Lots cheaper and renders their calculations moot
In the same vein, the fact that 5GB/month would cost $25,600 on the ATT $5/MB plan, simply means that it's far cheaper to get the $30 per month data plan.
Side slider keyboards are often around 3.5" x 1.3" , which is not tiny at all.
And they don't obscur the screen while you're using them.
(Personally, I prefer a vertical slider like the i730 or Pre. Easy to use one-handed, too.)
If MMS is integrated into the SMS app and works the same way SMS does the pic/vid with play button would show up in the preview bubble like texts do, so you would see the pic as soon as you picked up your phone (which would be right when it was sent)!!!
I really like this idea! Apple would need to implement an SMS/MMS preview on/off setting that is accessible whether or not the passcode lock is enabled. Also, when looking at SMS/MMS in the log the MMS photos/videos should just be a link that goes to opens it up to a full size screen (with back arrow), so the log still remains manageable.
http://www.informationweek.com/news...cle.jhtml?articleID=215900218&subSection=News
Thanks. Pretty neat. I see that they're using a fixed IP address. That solves the problem of being able to easily ring up the phone wherever it is. (I think that Verizon charges something like a $500 one-time fee to give a fixed IP, and you still need a $20K server to use it.)
That works, at least within the ATT footprint. Go outside of ATT coverage and it's no go.
It'll be interesting to see if VOIP over EDGE with shared bandwidth, or worse, over GPRS, makes the grade.
Steve Jobs et al disagree that MMS is needed. I used to vehemently believe that MMS was needed, but I was short-sighted. All modern cell phones have email access (that's not to say that all cell phones for sale today are modern, however).
Remember when every computer had a floppy drive? The original iMac changed that. I bought one, even though I thought a floppy drive was a necessity. It turns out Steve was right & I was wrong. Five years ago, no one would have purchased a computer without an optical drive. Now, the last three computers I've purchased didn't have one. I bought an external drive "just in case", but I've used it less than five times.
Steve's opinion appears to be "MMS is outdated. We're going to force the issue.". He thinks the iPhone has enough clout that it can change the rules of the game. He's probably right. I don't think we'll see Flash anytime soon, either. I think Apple has other plans.
Apple made a revolutionary phone not by conforming to existing standards, but by creating new standards. It seems ridiculous that a so-called modern web-enabled phone would ship without MMS and Flash, but now I think Apple may change everything and have the last laugh.
We don't need floppy drives. We don't need CDs or DVDs. We don't need MMS and we don't need Flash. Pardon the Simpsons reference, but Steve Mobs "is like a god who knows what we want". If we had needed MMS and Flash, Steve would have given it to us.
Who's still using a rotary dial phone?
me too.
It's something that everyday I find myself needing. Extra typing truly sucks when I shouldn't have to.
but I am not holding my breath.
Tethering if it happens will just be another charge rather than a feature.
There sure are a lot of people complaining about a possible tether charge. I don't understand the problem. You have unlimited data for your phone, not your computer. If you go to an all you can eat buffet YOU can eat all you want from your plate. Does that Mean 3 other people can eat for free off of your plate because it's unlimited?
While I agree that MMS may not be needed, nor do we "need" many other things the iPhone currently offers. You sound like someone who praises Steve Jobs as if he knows everything, and everything he does is good. I think we should have MMS because I paid $600 for something that doesn't do what a $20 phone can do. It might not be a necessity but it is something nice to have. And by saying apple created new standards by not including MMS is ridiculous. To create new standards, the old ones have to be improved upon. Not including MMS and making it so that we have to send our pictures via email and look at MMS's sent to us on a website sounds a heck of a lot easier than just simply having the picture appear in the text conversation and being able to send one back, doesn't it?
Your right, I guess I don't need to look at the thousands of things that use flash. And maybe I don't need to send or receive MMS's, but I want to, and I should expect it if products 1/30th of the price can provide those features. I'm sorry if my post comes out as blunt; but I am sick and tired of people praising and worshiping Steve Jobs for providing out of date hardware at a grossly overpriced cost that can't do things products that came out years ago for much cheaper can do only to adopt it soon after and rape consumers.
So then I would assume that you think routers are unjust as well and we should pay more money monthly to our service providers? It would be a different story if you took your iPhone and set it as an access point for anyone that wanted to use it for data throughput. But if I want to use the UNLIMITED data plan that I pay for on my laptop I should be able to without paying more money. What is that charge even for, to offset the increased bandwith that I will be using when I already pay for unlimited? Give me a break... I think that all the complaints about the possible tethering surcharge is legitimate. Sorry to chew you out, I see where you are coming from. But I think that cellular companies in America have gone too far and are getting too greedy. In 2008 AT&T saw an 18% increase in wireless sales to $11.8 billion which allowed the company to fish a net income of nearly $3.5 billion... Still think that we should be forced to pay more money monthly for tethering?
... 1MB of SMS = 6500 texts = reason to get the unlimited messaging plan for $20, isn't it? Lots cheaper and renders their calculations moot
In the same vein, the fact that 5GB/month would cost $25,600 on the ATT $5/MB plan, simply means that it's far cheaper to get the $30 per month data plan.
Sure, if you accept the premise that AT&T is charging a fair and reasonable price. I don't. It isn't even close. Come on now, you don't really think it costs AT&T and the other carriers 20 cents per SMS message, do you?
Sure, if you accept the premise that AT&T is charging a fair and reasonable price. I don't. It isn't even close. Come on now, you don't really think it costs AT&T and the other carriers 20 cents per SMS message, do you?
If you were a shareholder would you feel differently?
Can't fault them for going after "free" money, after all isn't that apart of capitalism?
Who dares question the boss we fired 10 years ago, and then brought back! Steve Mobs is all-knowing. He and the great folks at Mapple know what you need even before you do. We should flay anyone who disagrees! Flay him! Flay him, I say!
Lack of MMS does SEEM like it's out-of-date ... just like the lack of a floppy drive on iMac makes it SEEM out-of-date.
The iMac can't even read floppies for cryin' out loud! Problem? No. Who wants to use floppies anyway? Not me. I cast them aside. Painful? At first. After everyone started realizing that floppies were no longer universally accepted, they gradually made the transition. Do you really want to be using floppies again?
Think of the "Missing MMS" as an early adopter tax. It's much easier to follow a beaten path than to be a trailblazer. If anyone misses MMS, Flash, and/or a physical keyboard, I hear the Blackberry Storm is wonderful, in a "beaten path" kinda way.
Besides, who needs MMS when there are over FIFTY Fart apps for the iPhone? My email follows me everywhere. My phone number does not. Also, the carriers don't control my email like they do SMS/MMS. Also, spam filters are more robust on email than on MMS.
I empathize with your struggles to live without MMS ... but it's really only problematic because your contacts are living in the past and have not "moved on". It'll get easy. It always does.
Actually...
Unlike Flash or Java, Jobs has never said one word against MMS.
The whole idea that Apple is anti-MMS, is something made up by people who are trying to somehow explain away iPhone shortcomings.
If missing MMS equals Jobs hating it, then I guess Jobs must really hate native video recording, turn by turn navigation and lots of other things that he's never mentioned either.
It's like watching a Monty Python skit, about a group of 1800's islanders finding a seaman's chest washed ashore. Oh look, God has given us this wonderful box with amazing stuff inside. But... it has no coconuts in it! Therefore God must not want us to have coconuts. Coconuts must be A Bad Thing. Quick, tell everyone!
Sure, if you accept the premise that AT&T is charging a fair and reasonable price. I don't. It isn't even close. Come on now, you don't really think it costs AT&T and the other carriers 20 cents per SMS message, do you?
Well...
1) They do have a multi-billion dollar infrastructure to build and support, and tens of thousands of employees to pay. It will cost a lot more than normal to deploy 4G, too.
2) Do you accept the premise that Apple needs to charge so much for their devices, MobileMe, and developer royalties? Or is the billions of profit they've made okay?
3) I don't really care. Especially since you can buy unlimited texting
The price itself is not the main point of my posts. My point is that you cannot equate the way SMS is charged, with the way data connections are charged. They're totally different technologies, with different advantages, and different purposes.
Regards.
Not only would I have to agree, but I would point that poster to the HTC Touch Pro2 which gives you BOTH a touch keyboard and a pull out real keyboard for punching out REAL documents and emails.
Also, with the larger screens on many pro smartphones they've been able to add much more user friendly keys that are easier to press and locate without looking. The Touch Pro 2 doesn't even have that awful "option" and "shift" buttons, the period is a dedicated key, and the numbers have their own line above the letters.
If it were to come out on Sprint's network, it'd be a serious choice between it and the Pre, with Windows Mobile being a big reason to not consider the Touch Pro.
Oh, and yes, pull out/slide up keyboards have NEVER been flimsy. They only got flimsy in the minds of iPhone users when Steve said no one needed them anymore.
Especially since you can buy unlimited texting
That is the bottom line. If one chooses to continue sending messages via e-mail, they are fine to do so. (As with SMS, MMS can be disabled on the account for those who are afraid of receiving messages). For someone who has unlimited SMS/MMS, or is willing to pay per use, the details of how the data is delivered is meaningless, and there are no disadvantages, but the benefit of EASY picture/video messaging is tremendous.
Think about SMS. All of the same arguments against MMS could have been made about SMS if it had not be included. i.e. "Why don't you just e-mail the person?" Duh! It is easier to SMS! (At least until push IM comes along, then short messages and pics might be easy enough to transfer, but even then there are still issues with people on the receiving end who don't have IM installed and enabled on their phones.)
There's one little thing that I would like to see (along with copy and paste and flash support) and that is SMS delivery status/reports!
Oh and MMS would be nice, email is not a serious alternative, almost nobody has email/internet on their phone. Data is expensive, especially on pre-paid plans that are used by 80% of the population.
Oh and MMS would be nice, email is not a serious alternative, almost nobody has email/internet on their phone. Data is expensive, especially on pre-paid plans that are used by 80% of the population.
A Few Things That Should Be Mentioned:
1. Apple has a long history of deciding which technologies they want to play ball with. Along with that goes (out the window) the technologies that Apple doesn't want to play ball with.
MMS is a tech Apple doesn't want to play ball with.
2. Push will make an appearance when Apple finds a way to make it somewhat profitable.
3. Let's be generous here and assign all the people who are griping about what the iPhone lacks a whopping 1%. You are still a self-selected 1% of all iPhone owners/users/people-who-emo-threaten-to-get-another-phone/cancel your contract -ers.
Umm. Get a sense of perspective. Any company that can sell a product that keeps 99% of its customer-base happy is doing pretty well. There is no compelling business reason to shake things up in order to provide features or services that 1% are griping aboutespecially if it may involve problems that will affect everyone.
4. 1% is extremely generous. Those who are really pissed off about lacking features are really more like 1/100 of a percent, if that.
5. If you bought an iPhone hoping that MMS would magically appear, you are the same frigtard that bought an original Bandi Blue iMac in 1997 hoping that floppy drives would magically appear in the USB ports. You are also the same frigtard that got really pissed when Apple decided to go with USB instead of FireWire on the new MacBooks.
6. Newsflash!!!! Apple has an agenda. Apple needs and wants to make money. That's what publicly-traded companies do. This fantasy that Apple is scouring these boards for product ideas is, well, fantasy.
Apple conducts actual market research. The company knows what most people care about. You are not most people. Most people do not care about the things that you apparently die for. Does that make Apple a bad company? Maybe it does. I'm not here to answer that.
7. If you want a phone with X feature, go get one. There are plenty out there. What all of you (yes, you, oh incredible .01 percent) seem to want is for Apple to cater to all of your whiney-ass "needs."
Apple is never going to listen to you.
Just stop. For the love of Vishnu's left tit, please just stop.
1. Apple has a long history of deciding which technologies they want to play ball with. Along with that goes (out the window) the technologies that Apple doesn't want to play ball with.
MMS is a tech Apple doesn't want to play ball with.
2. Push will make an appearance when Apple finds a way to make it somewhat profitable.
3. Let's be generous here and assign all the people who are griping about what the iPhone lacks a whopping 1%. You are still a self-selected 1% of all iPhone owners/users/people-who-emo-threaten-to-get-another-phone/cancel your contract -ers.
Umm. Get a sense of perspective. Any company that can sell a product that keeps 99% of its customer-base happy is doing pretty well. There is no compelling business reason to shake things up in order to provide features or services that 1% are griping aboutespecially if it may involve problems that will affect everyone.
4. 1% is extremely generous. Those who are really pissed off about lacking features are really more like 1/100 of a percent, if that.
5. If you bought an iPhone hoping that MMS would magically appear, you are the same frigtard that bought an original Bandi Blue iMac in 1997 hoping that floppy drives would magically appear in the USB ports. You are also the same frigtard that got really pissed when Apple decided to go with USB instead of FireWire on the new MacBooks.
6. Newsflash!!!! Apple has an agenda. Apple needs and wants to make money. That's what publicly-traded companies do. This fantasy that Apple is scouring these boards for product ideas is, well, fantasy.
Apple conducts actual market research. The company knows what most people care about. You are not most people. Most people do not care about the things that you apparently die for. Does that make Apple a bad company? Maybe it does. I'm not here to answer that.
7. If you want a phone with X feature, go get one. There are plenty out there. What all of you (yes, you, oh incredible .01 percent) seem to want is for Apple to cater to all of your whiney-ass "needs."
Apple is never going to listen to you.
Just stop. For the love of Vishnu's left tit, please just stop.