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iPhone 3.0 to Get MMS, Tethering, and Finally... Copy and Paste?

wardev said:
U know wat???? After reading 4 pages of comments I have figured this one thing out...

Despite the fact that the iPhone was the phone that was an iPod, phone, and miniature computer with an incredibly responsive touchscreen and amazing UI. we have still managed to complain about something!! The MR community can do anything!! WE ARE SUPERIOR!!!!
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Well, could be due to the fact, that the Jesus phone doesn't work as in the commercials. Safari freezes, extreme keyboard lags and sometimes 2-3 seconds, 'til the screen rotates - these are some of the things I experienced during my short time with my wife's iPhone.

And the MMS and C&P-debate - oh, come on. Just stop it, will ya. Those features are left out, and if you need them, go and grab another handset. There are plenty on the market, you know. (Disclaimer: I'm in the market to upgrade, but loss of MMS is a deal breaker for me. So I guess if 3.0 doesn't deliver, I'll get a Pre, Storm, G1, Omnia HD or Xperia).
 
iSurgeon said:
All of my family and friends ARE able to send photos to me via email ... they just need to learn about their cell phones' capabilities. They tell me they can't do it, but, with a little research, they've found that they, in fact, CAN send photos via email. Just because people don't know how to do it doesn't mean it can't be done. I'm sure there are crappy cell phones out there that can't, but none of the people I want to get photos from can't do it.

AT&T's solution to the lack of MMS is laughable. After I got the first SMS notification of an awaiting MMS message, I called the sender and told them to email it to me. Email is so much easier to deal with. It doesn't require a cellular connection and I can view it on a computer. And let's face the facts ... if you have AT&T, you shouldn't count on cellular service.

MMS was already a dinosaur, albeit a very popular one, when it was first introduced. You weren't supposed to take the "so 1990s" statement literally. It's a statement us old folks use to say that something is antiquated. Here's another example. If you see someone wearing an out-of-date fashion, you might say "Mr. Peabody, set the Wayback Machine to the 1990s!", even though the clothing might only be a few years old.

And if people don't like the way the built-in Mail app sends photos, let me introduce you to a place I like to call "The App Store". There are alternatives!
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I don't know about the U.S. tariffs, but I guess some of your relatives will be quite pissed, when they find out that sending a MMS is way cheaper for them then sending data over the net.

Not everybody has a data flatrate, you know.
 
The iPhone has been out for almost two years and I don't see much of a difference between the initial offering and the current iteration. I'm sad to say my iPhone is looking a bit.....dated.

IMHO the current UI is pretty ugly. The default Home screen overwhelms you with icons and if you choose to move unused icons/apps. over to another screen, you're left with this *beautiful* black background. How about allowing for some nice wallpapers and make that the center of attention? Furthermore, how about letting me decide *where* I want to put the 3-4 icons I want on my primary screen. Honestly, I'd even like to see an option for turning off the bottom "bar" of icons (whatever you call that area). I'm not a programmer but I don't think it would require that much of a leap to accomplish what I have described and it would allow me to make the iPhone *my* phone.

I don't really use what I refer to as fringe applications very often and I must admit that I'm pretty happy with the core applications such as the phone itself, Mail, text messaging and Safari. I'm sure there's room for improvement but overall I think Apple gets it in terms of core apps.

The last thing I want to speak to is MMS. This feature should be available on the iPhone and any argument otherwise is pretty lame. Feel free to talk in *theory* but the *reality* is that for "sharing the moment", most people use MMS.

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I just saw a video on the Sprint Pre and I must admit that I was pretty impressed. I'm not ready to ditch my iPhone but if 3.0 underwhelms.....
 
firewood said:
They certainly did give you an option. You weren't forced to buy an iPhone. You could have got a WinMob, PalmOS, Android or Berry phone with many of the above features.

But which phone is selling better? That points at the decisions which provided the best, on average, option to the market.
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I reject this logic. The iPhone is selling well because of the outstanding UI. Apple has historically raised the bar in all of its products in overall design, simplicity, and clean UI. We as Apple customers have the right to complain about shortcomings to Apple products and to encourage them to get it right in the 2nd or 3rd iteration of their product line. When/if Apple responds, I can only see a benefit to them with increased sales beyond what they see now. Telling people to buy the "other guys'" product if they are not happy is the ultimate cop-out and is doomed for failure. Apple has surpassed its competition in overall design and it makes no sense to expect customers to fall back to an inferior product for some features that have been shown can be implemented on the iPhone.
 
Michael CM1 said:
I have no clue what "CUPS" is, but I definitely think printing would rock. I just got an HP printer with built-in WiFi, and it sho is nice to finally have a printer that works on all three computers (2 Macs, 1 Dell). Apple should definitely be able to work in IP printing at some point soon.

Common Unix Printing System, open source set of print drivers which Apple bought the rights to several years ago, as far as your HP goes they've made a start with a free app that will print your pic directly from iphone, but it doesn't go far enough imop, would like to be able to walk into any recognized wifi, with any printer (within reason) modern printers, recognize it on the fly i.e. download necessary drivers, you will already be connected to the network so should have access to a high speed internet connection, and print email, attachments, notes, photos w/basic manipulation, etc...
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firewood said:
But which phone is selling better? That points at the decisions which provided the best, on average, option to the market.
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Well, that would make the Blackberries the best. They're back up to double the sales of mobile OSX.

Even WinMo outsold mobile OSX in Q4 '08. And outsold it for the year as well.

Coming up are devices like the Palm Pre, Toshiba TG01, Samsung Omnia HD, HTC Diamond2 series, etc. Pretty nice gizmos, with better and better UIs all the time. Most are VGA or WVGA, with 3-5 MP cameras. The Omnia HD can take 720p movies at 24fps.

As iPhone users mature into power smartphone users, they're going to be looking to get those needs met. Apple has a hit with entry users. The question is how, or if, they'll go after power users as well. Perhaps they won't. Or perhaps they'll surprise us and add some totally unique capabilities. (Fingers crossed)
 
How about:

TV-OUT the whole GUI
Activity Monitor
Better Office Support
Mail Digital ID's cryptographic support
Drag and drop to the iphone
Use as storage device

A million more...
 
1Zach1 said:
My prediction:
It won't have MMS.
It won't have Copy and Paste (or it will but it will be really screwed up)
Tethering will be like all AT&T phones and cost $30 a month with a 5Gb cap.
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What's the current data cap? I currently use PDANet for tethering (great app!)
I understand our "unlimited data plan" is not really unlimited.
Is 5GB/month a lot? I really have no idea. Under "usage" my phone says 1.8GB received. Is that in the last month or since the last reset? It says my last reset was July 2007 which doesn't make sense since it's a 3G iPhone bought it July 2008!
I ask because I'm considering ditching my Comca$t service and just using the iPhone for internet, and tethering my computer occasionally as needed.
I have Wifi at work, so I can always download big stuff there.

Thanks,
tys
 
skinnylegs said:
The iPhone has been out for almost two years and I don't see much of a difference between the initial offering and the current iteration. I'm sad to say my iPhone is looking a bit.....dated.

IMHO the current UI is pretty ugly. The default Home screen overwhelms you with icons and if you choose to move unused icons/apps. over to another screen, you're left with this *beautiful* black background. How about allowing for some nice wallpapers and make that the center of attention? Furthermore, how about letting me decide *where* I want to put the 3-4 icons I want on my primary screen. Honestly, I'd even like to see an option for turning off the bottom "bar" of icons (whatever you call that area). I'm not a programmer but I don't think it would require that much of a leap to accomplish what I have described and it would allow me to make the iPhone *my* phone.

I don't really use what I refer to as fringe applications very often and I must admit that I'm pretty happy with the core applications such as the phone itself, Mail, text messaging and Safari. I'm sure there's room for improvement but overall I think Apple gets it in terms of core apps.

The last thing I want to speak to is MMS. This feature should be available on the iPhone and any argument otherwise is pretty lame. Feel free to talk in *theory* but the *reality* is that for "sharing the moment", most people use MMS.

EDIT:

I just saw a video on the Sprint Pre and I must admit that I was pretty impressed. I'm not ready to ditch my iPhone but if 3.0 underwhelms.....
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I love the brilliant iPhone users who refer to the dock as "that bar with four icons", and who NEED to change the black background to a battery draining hi resolution color image of whatever hentai crap they feel necessary, and who need to share there moments (but sadly can't) without MMS....

....even though by sending a picture attached e-mail to the persons phone number @ carrier specific suffix, you do exactly that, but that's too much effort for someone busy whining.
 
kdarling said:
Well, that would make the Blackberries the best. They're back up to double the sales of mobile OSX.

Even WinMo outsold mobile OSX in Q4 '08. And outsold it for the year as well.

Coming up are devices like the Palm Pre, Toshiba TG01, Samsung Omnia HD, HTC Diamond2 series, etc. Pretty nice gizmos, with better and better UIs all the time. Most are VGA or WVGA, with 3-5 MP cameras. The Omnia HD can take 720p movies at 24fps.

As iPhone users mature into power smartphone users, they're going to be looking to get those needs met. Apple has a hit with entry users. The question is how, or if, they'll go after power users as well. Perhaps they won't. Or perhaps they'll surprise us and add some totally unique capabilities. (Fingers crossed)
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Since Apple goes after large markets, not microscopic fringe loony tunes (720p 24fps???? There are about 8 people in the US that might even pretend to want that on their mobile phone), then no.
 
firewood said:
The bulk of the postings here just prove the thesis of the Innovator's Dilemma. Listen to your customers and the vast majority of them (have no imagination whatsoever and) will suggest ideas that are about to become obsolete and eventually drive your company into bankruptcy.

Henry Ford once said: "If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse."

...add to that MMS, cut & paste, and dual buggy whip holders...
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Yep. The only time Apple listens to customers feature requests are for BUG fixes, not anything new.

New is never what the masses were expecting, because they purely lack any imagination. The only things missing in their opinion are the logical holes in the current design.

"Logical" is also a huge stretch here considering almost 2 full years on the iPhone which I drain daily and now program for, I have never once needed Copy & Paste or MMS.

Now, move up to a real version of OSX and then yes C&P will be number one on the list.
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
I love the brilliant iPhone users who refer to the dock as "that bar with four icons", and who NEED to change the black background to a battery draining hi resolution color image of whatever hentai crap they feel necessary, and who need to share there moments (but sadly can't) without MMS....

....even though by sending a picture attached e-mail to the persons phone number @ carrier specific suffix, you do exactly that, but that's too much effort for someone busy whining.
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Reality Check:
The receiver has to check his eMail to receive it, while MMS is delivered to the phone without any user incentive.

Receiving MMS is free, at least in nearly every country except the U.S., receiving eMails is not, if you aren't on an unlimited data plan.

Find better arguments...:cool:
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
I love the brilliant iPhone users who refer to the dock as "that bar with four icons", and who NEED to change the black background to a battery draining hi resolution color image of whatever hentai crap they feel necessary, and who need to share there moments (but sadly can't) without MMS....

....even though by sending a picture attached e-mail to the persons phone number @ carrier specific suffix, you do exactly that, but that's too much effort for someone busy whining.
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I understand what you're saying but static wallpaper can't affect battery life all that much. I would also say that even the mail application mentioned has a serious flaw in that you can only send one picture at a time. I realize apple is trying to keep the email file size down but nobody is going to send an email with 40 photos from their phone.

Everybody is saying what they want in the phone which is hilarious! WTH does MMS have to do with an SDK? Or tethering? These are the kind of features that apple would mention during an iPhone release, not during an OS demonstration.

What apple does need to do is redesign the OS. it looks dated against something like the pre and needs some kind of folder structure. I would expect background apps and push notifications to be a given. I would also want developers to get far deeper access to the phone than they are currently getting. There is no reason apple shouldn't grant full access to the camera amongst other things.
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
"Logical" is also a huge stretch here considering almost 2 full years on the iPhone which I drain daily and now program for, I have never once needed Copy & Paste or MMS.
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Why don't people understand that different users have different needs/wants?
I've wished for copy and paste almost daily for a year and a half: every time I had to find a pen, scribble something down, then switch apps and type it back in on the phone's tiny keyboard! Now I've got copy and paste (Thanks to Clippy!) and use it several times a day.
On the other hand, I have NO USE whatsoever for MMS, but I understand that other folks want it. Why can't Apple just make an MMS app, charge a buck for it, let AT&T charge whatever they charge per message and be done with it?

tys
 
tys said:
Why don't people understand that different users have different needs/wants?....Why can't Apple just make an MMS app, charge a buck for it, let AT&T charge whatever they charge per message and be done with it?

tys
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Because they don't matter. Good Grief. Why do people, customers and non, assume their needs/wants make any difference whatsoever? Its makes NO difference, at all. This is not easy for some to accept.

str1f3 said:
I understand what you're saying but static wallpaper can't affect battery life all that much.
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You are guessing, the answer it yes it can, all you need to do is use a jailbroken phone for your answer.
str1f3 said:
What apple does need to do is redesign the OS. it looks dated against something like the pre and needs some kind of folder structure. I would expect background apps and push notifications to be a given. I would also want developers to get far deeper access to the phone than they are currently getting. There is no reason apple shouldn't grant full access to the camera amongst other things.
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Agreed.

swagi said:
Reality Check:
The receiver has to check his eMail to receive it, while MMS is delivered to the phone without any user incentive.

Receiving MMS is free, at least in nearly every country except the U.S., receiving eMails is not, if you aren't on an unlimited data plan.

Find better arguments...:cool:
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This is completely incorrect in every way describable. The receiver does nothing but receive the photo as they normally would. All the (iPhone) sender has to do is choose the correct e-mail for the particular contact (assuming you've added the necessary e-mail address as you would, being someone obsessed with need for MMS).

How it works outside the US isn't my concern. Japan has 3G that puts ours to shame, but I don't moan over how inadequate the iPhone is (here) because of it.
 
joemama said:
What star trek world do you live in??? Most cell phones don't do email. Everyone I know sends photo texts with MMS, not email. And there are no problems between (major) carriers. And it's not 1990...Most phones didn't get MMS until 5/6 years ago.

BTW - does anyone else here want the nike+ sensor built into the iPhone (like the iPTouch)? I know it requires a hardware upgrade, but then you have the ultimate device.
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i remember my moto razor receiving and sending email(pics) when they first came out. That was in the year 2001. ????
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
This is completely incorrect in every way describable. The receiver does nothing but receive the photo as they normally would. All the (iPhone) sender has to do is choose the correct e-mail for the particular contact (assuming you've added the necessary e-mail address as you would, being someone obsessed with need for MMS).
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As he said, that only works where email-to-MMS gateways exist.

He was also talking about receiving MMS. Since the notification is basically a silent ring page, it is true push (unlike email) and uses no extra cpu or battery while waiting.

How it works outside the US isn't my concern. ...
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Dont' worry, that's clear from your posts.
 
kdarling said:
As he said, that only works where email-to-MMS gateways exist.

He was also talking about receiving MMS. Since the notification is basically a silent ring page, it is true push (unlike email) and uses no extra cpu or battery while waiting.



Dont' worry, that's clear from your posts.
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Its also Not Apple's problem that every particular carrier does not have their own gateway for type of simple function.

Go ahead and blame the Apple and the iPhone, but this falls on the carriers and no one else.
 
That is a great list. This is my post but I thought I would add my input.

-Custom alarms. From what I read programs like Awaken cannot make an alarm program because the alarms are locked down. It would be nice if you could select a full song to wake up to.

-Full Bluetooth support - The ability to sync via bluetooth, listen to music via bluetooth. I would gladly purchase some stereo bluetooth headphones if my iphone supported it.

-Subfolder syncing via activesync - Currently I am connecting to my work exchange server. I will get new email notification if there is an email in the root folder. I have a subfolder called "Mail from Management". I have to manually go in and wait for the iphone to sync this folder and sometimes that can take several minutes.

-MMS - As many have posted it is best when people send you an MMS message. I have gotten several and the AT&T website is a pain.

Thats just my wish list. I very much look forward to the update and also will be happy for a hardware upgraded phone. Thanks for reading. Hope I didn't fall too off topic.

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mrr said:
_ Cut&Paste (come on the 1984 Mac128k had this feature)
_ Double click to select a word
_ Video recording
_ Global Search
_ Bluetooth enabled (or teathered) keyboards
_ Bluetooth syncing
_ Bluetooth music listening
_ Horizontal text input in all applications
_ Sync notes and to dos
_ Ability to sync documents and edit them
_ Flash
_ Laptop tethering
_ Streamlined email reading between accounts
_ Push notification
_ Quickly back up all application data on phone
_ A Finder that allows for categories
_ List View for applications
_ No limit on the number of applications installed
_ List Docs as well
_ iChat video conferencing official ap
_ Turn by Turn navigation (ala TomTom)
_ MMS
_ VOICE DIALING !!!
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Tethering is the only feature I'm after, the rest I'm not really bothered about, I've never really cried out "Why oh why do I not have copy and paste" and O2s website isn't exactly a major pain to navigate to when you receive a MMS, I've only received 2 since getting my iPhone and I doubt I'll receive enough to make it a worthwhile feature...
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
Because they don't matter. Good Grief. Why do people, customers and non, assume their needs/wants make any difference whatsoever? Its makes NO difference, at all. This is not easy for some to accept.
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Haha yeah! F*** the customer's wants and needs. Apple don't make products for customers!
 
Wish List brouhaha

Some features I'd like to see (already mentioned here):

Bluetooth enabled (or tethered) keyboards

Bluetooth music listening (A2DP)

Horizontal text input option for all applications

Laptop tethering (AT&T will most likely charge extra for the privilege, but I agree with stately ... I don't agree it's appropriate. After all, Unlimited data = Unlimited data. Period. It's bad enough "unlimited data" conveniently doesn't include SMS messaging. One of the biggest scandals perpetrated by all cell carriers - not just AT&T - is consensus on gouging of their customers for SMS usage. It's unconscionable, and this needs to change.)

Streamlined email reading between accounts (aka 1 in-box to rule them all ... a la Mac Mail style)

Turn by Turn navigation (a la TomTom, yes - TomTom, not Apple)

Voice Activated Dialing (It's past time. What's been the hold up on this?)

Looking forward to the preview. Kinda makes me wish I didn't JUST buy the iPhone 3G. Would hate to miss out on features dependent on upcoming hardware changes.
 
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