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iPhone 3GS vs Blackberry Bold 9700

sinsin07 said:
The message is encrypted, so good look trying to decrypt it. It seems you are a user and not a tech so I provided you with some info I found at http://www.blackberryforums.com


Message flow to a handheld
New Message arrives: the Microsoft/Lotus message transfer agent delivers message to user’s desktop email mailbox.
Message notification: Blackberry maintains a MAPI connection to the user’s mailbox. The connection enables the server to use the same notification for new mail, blackberry processes message as it arrives.
Message filters are applied: BES checks message fields against global filter rules.BES then applies user-defined filters.
Message ID is assigned: BES randomly generates a reference id and tag.
Message is compressed and encrypted.
Message sent to wireless network: BES sends the first portion of the message through port 3101 to the wireless network, which verifies the PIN belongs to a valid handheld registered on the network
Confirmation is returned: The network locates the handheld and delivers the message.
Arrives on handheld: The handheld decrypts and decompresses the message and notifies the user of new mail.

Message flow from the handheld
Message sent from handheld, on the handheld the message is assigned a reference id.
Message is compressed and encrypted.
Message is sent to BES Server, through port 3101 to the wireless network to the Blackberry Server.
Message is decrypted and decompressed: BES decrypts and decompresses the message. If the message does not match the users encryption key, the message is discarded.
Message is placed in outbox on the Exchange Store.
Message delivery: The Exchange MTA delivers the message.
Copied to sent items folder: A copy of the message is placed in the user’s desktop email program sent items folder.

Edit: Link to diagram http://na.blackberry.com/eng/ataglance/security/bes-diag_large.jpg
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so encryption has never been broken? Again, small risk, but still a risk
 
PhoneI said:
I really don't get it. What is the benefit of having an IM app always running in the background, compared to getting push notifications?

I am not saying multitasking doesn't have some advantages (apps like Pandora come to mind), but messaging apps are done very well with Push Notifications.
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ease of switching between apps is one reason. If I have MSN running in the background on my BlackBerry, and I'm in another app, and I get a message (through a customizable ringtone, not an annoying popup), I just invoke the app switcher (similar to command-tab), pull up MSN, respond, and use the app switcher to get back where I originally was. The whole thing takes maybe 15 seconds. That's how long it used to take my 3G to just open BeeJive and have it all loaded and ready to use. It's like the difference between being in your computer's browser and command-tabbing over to Adium to respond, then command-tabbing back to your browse, versus being in your browser, having to quit it, launch Adium, respond, quit Adium, and then re-launch your browser.
 
How spoiled we have become when it is too much of a burden to use your thumb to hit a button, then use a finger to swipe a screen and launch another app. Pathetic.
 
CrzyCanuck72 said:
ease of switching between apps is one reason. If I have MSN running in the background on my BlackBerry, and I'm in another app, and I get a message (through a customizable ringtone, not an annoying popup), I just invoke the app switcher (similar to command-tab), pull up MSN, respond, and use the app switcher to get back where I originally was. The whole thing takes maybe 15 seconds. That's how long it used to take my 3G to just open BeeJive and have it all loaded and ready to use. It's like the difference between being in your computer's browser and command-tabbing over to Adium to respond, then command-tabbing back to your browse, versus being in your browser, having to quit it, launch Adium, respond, quit Adium, and then re-launch your browser.
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Um, you do know you can turn off the popups, right? You can make the notification act exactly like what you get on the blackberry. In fact, that's what I do. When I get a new IM, I hear the tone, and I get a new badge on the IM icon. I then hit then icon, and with 1.5 seconds (on my 3GS), I am reading the new message. I guess I still don't see your point.
 
ctt1wbw said:
How spoiled we have become when it is too much of a burden to use your thumb to hit a button, then use a finger to swipe a screen and launch another app. Pathetic.
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I guess you don't use multiple apps at once on your computer. If you want to switch apps, you quit out of your current one, then open up the new one. If you want to switch back, you quit and re-open again. Not too much of a burden, right?
 
PhoneI said:
Um, you do know you can turn off the popups, right? You can make the notification act exactly like what you get on the blackberry. In fact, that's what I do. When I get a new IM, I hear the tone, and I get a new badge on the IM icon. I then hit then icon, and with 1.5 seconds (on my 3GS), I am reading the new message. I guess I still don't see your point.
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That's all well and good if you're just sitting on the homescreen, the problem is when you're in another app and an IM comes in. Then you have to quit out of your current app, load the IM app, and then do the reverse to get back where you were, as opposed to being able to seamlessly switch between concurrently running apps.
 
CrzyCanuck72 said:
I guess you don't use multiple apps at once on your computer. If you want to switch apps, you quit out of your current one, then open up the new one. If you want to switch back, you quit and re-open again. Not too much of a burden, right?
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I know. Clicking and dragging is such a burden on me. Oh the humanity.
 
CrzyCanuck72 said:
That's all well and good if you're just sitting on the homescreen, the problem is when you're in another app and an IM comes in. Then you have to quit out of your current app, load the IM app, and then do the reverse to get back where you were, as opposed to being able to seamlessly switch between concurrently running apps.
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Yeah, I guess. It just never seems like such a big deal for me on my iPhone as compared to my Blackberry. It's certainly not enough of an issue for me to want to give up my iPhone to more back to the more limited Blackberry.
 
sinsin07 said:
Oh, then I think you may have misread my statement, which was "This is true to a point, however without a device to read your mail on while your on the move, an Exchange server becomes irrelevant." I said device, which could be PC, BB or Iphone. I never said the device needed to be handheld.
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No you didn't say device needed to be handheld, but these days that is what device means. Sorta like how PC is identified as a computer running Windows rather than a Personal Computer.

With regards to VPN on BlackBerry, this feature does indeed exist, I'm just having trouble finding out what use it is
 
PhoneI said:
Again, for you to make a statement like that, I'm sure you have tons of real world examples. Please post one.

My fortune 500 company had a small iphone pilot last year. Not one person in the pilot asked to go back to their blackberry. We now have thousands of iPhone's in use. Never once did we have any security problems.
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I have recently changed from the iPhone to the BB 9700 Bold. Main reason the very poor battery life of the iPhone, cannot last a full day. May i ask how the thousands of users in your company deal with this issue?
 
UK1 said:
I have recently changed from the iPhone to the BB 9700 Bold. Main reason the very poor battery life of the iPhone, cannot last a full day. May i ask how the thousands of users in your company deal with this issue?
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I also carry both an iPhone 3GS and a Blackberry 9700. The battery on the 9700 is just as bad as the iPhone battery if you ask me. For both, you have to charge once a day.
 
UK1 said:
I have recently changed from the iPhone to the BB 9700 Bold. Main reason the very poor battery life of the iPhone, cannot last a full day. May i ask how the thousands of users in your company deal with this issue?
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a full 24 hour day or a full 8 hour work day? If your saying it doesnt last a full work day, then you had something wrong with your phone.

When you use a blackberry for web browsing and using multiple apps, the battery life on it drains quite quickly
 
IMO one reason bb battery life seems better is that people do so much less with a bb than an iphone. much less web, no video, no games, etc. These are things that drain my iphone battery quickly. When I just do calls, email, and text on my iphone (i.e. use it like a bb) it lasts a full day easily.
 
CrzyCanuck72 said:
That's all well and good if you're just sitting on the homescreen, the problem is when you're in another app and an IM comes in. Then you have to quit out of your current app, load the IM app, and then do the reverse to get back where you were, as opposed to being able to seamlessly switch between concurrently running apps.
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And with a jailbreak (that takes all of 2 minutes) and a couple of lightweight background programs, the iPhone has one of the best multitasking interfaces of any device. And before you waste any breath making some snarky comment about jailbreaking, realize that it's not appreciably different than any other mods people do on any platform, and is 100% reversible in very short order.
 
QCassidy352 said:
IMO one reason bb battery life seems better is that people do so much less with a bb than an iphone. much less web, no video, no games, etc. These are things that drain my iphone battery quickly. When I just do calls, email, and text on my iphone (i.e. use it like a bb) it lasts a full day easily.
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QFT ^^^^ .................

And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the fact that the BB has a more textual UI vs the iPhone's more graphical UI make a differ in battery life, shouldn't that be more easier on the processor?
 
UnLiMiTeD558 said:
a full 24 hour day or a full 8 hour work day? If your saying it doesnt last a full work day, then you had something wrong with your phone.

When you use a blackberry for web browsing and using multiple apps, the battery life on it drains quite quickly
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You may be right that there is a problem with my iPhone, however, i am not so sure as i have had three 3GS 16gb phones during November & December - all the phones have behaved in the same way. The iPhone in my experience does not last a full working day (8hrs) without re-charging.

I rely on my phone for business calls and email, on average i receive 15 calls and around 30 emails per day. In addition to this i check the news on my phone once a day.

My experience of the BB 9700 with the same usage is that i can use the phone for 3 full days (16hrs), setting the auto-off at 23:00 and auto-on at 07:00.

It was a frustrating decision for me because i am a dedicated apple follower, however the reality of the situation gave me little choice.
 
UK1 said:
I rely on my phone for business calls and email, on average i receive 15 calls and around 30 emails per day. In addition to this i check the news on my phone once a day.
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Maybe you need to cycle your battery or get a replacement. I have 4 emails plus exchange & mobile me being pushed. My usage is much more than you described and I'm always on 3G. My battery life can last pretty much all day. But if I'm gaming for hours without it charging then that's a differ story.
 
When my husband and I went to get new iphones, they were out of the 8g's so until his comes in, he got the Bold 9700. He is not a BB user like I am (was) and anyway he is most certainly swapping. He thinks that the bold does not even compare. He had the Motorola Droid that he sold 2 days ago, and although he likes it better than the iPhone he is almost just as happy with getting one.
 
UnLiMiTeD558 said:
your sentence is kind of all over the place. What excacly did your husband choose in the end?
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iPhone. She said he got the Bold 9700 while waiting, and is getting an iPhone as soon as he can. He did also have a Droid, and while he liked it, he likes the iPhone better.


At least, that is how I interpreted it. :D
 
He had the Motorola Droid that he sold 2 days ago, and although he likes it better than the iPhone
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no he liked the droid better, so why would he go back to an iphone if thats the case. This is where i became confused.
 
I'm 19, have an iPhone, however I've just ordered an iPod Touch and the blackberry bold 9700.

The iPhone is amazing, but most of it can be replicated using an iPod Touch, and the Blackberry just seems more of a communications device. I wouldn't say don't ever get an iPhone, just for some people the fun of it wears off after a while.
 
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