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iPhone 4 - Simply nothing compares
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The iPhone is a cool phone, but it was just too plain for ME. I was JB with jailbreakme and i had a pretty cool theme from modmyi but at the end i just wasnt happy with it. I sold it for the Galaxy S Captivate and WOW it was my first android (i had a 3GS before the iP4) and i was amazed at how much i could customize my phone! The speed was crazy, the widgets are awesome and i was no longer in the iTunes prison that i had to deal with on the iphone. Make no mistake i loved the iPhone 4 but just something about android made me switch and im glad i did. Both OS's are great in theyre own way but for ME android beats out IOS anyday.
Wow....grasping at straws or what? The first link is a joke. Oh boy, how will people ever adjust to the same buttons being in a different spot?...LOL
2nd link?....ill believe that iphone even makes it to Verizon next year when i see it. They have an exclusive deal w/ AT&T till 2012 unless they buy their way out of it.
Just a poor attempt to show........that nizmoz is just a pure fanboy
It is clearly just one example of many to show that android is fragmenting. iOS is strong because it is on a device with similar features. Looking at android, it is used by different phone manufactures, and different carries. Android is spreading themselves thin with fragmentation, and it will directly effect the app store. Frankly, the part that is supposed to be the best.
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The buttons being in different places is only a problem for people with multiple android phones. Reviewers will see this more but for the person that has just one handset, their phone will stay the same throughout the 12/18/24 months of ownership. It's such a stupid argument IMO.
Then there are those of us that do own more than one device and we cope with the different layouts of buttons. My Nexus One, Nexus S and Galaxy Tab have different layouts and I know where to push by the tactile feel of each device.
For example, the ps3, Wii and Xbox360 have different designed controllers but plenty of people manage to use all 3 if they own all 3 consoles.
Humans have managed to use different designed products for years without any issue. Why should it be one now?
spikefood said:Vegastouch said:Wow....grasping at straws or what? The first link is a joke. Oh boy, how will people ever adjust to the same buttons being in a different spot?...LOL
2nd link?....ill believe that iphone even makes it to Verizon next year when i see it. They have an exclusive deal w/ AT&T till 2012 unless they buy their way out of it.
Just a poor attempt to show........that nizmoz is just a pure fanboy
It is clearly just one example of many to show that android is fragmenting. iOS is strong because it is on a device with similar features. Looking at android, it is used by different phone manufactures, and different carries. Android is spreading themselves thin with fragmentation, and it will directly effect the app store. Frankly, the part that is supposed to be the best.
The buttons being in different places is only a problem for people with multiple android phones. Reviewers will see this more but for the person that has just one handset, their phone will stay the same throughout the 12/18/24 months of ownership. It's such a stupid argument IMO.
Then there are those of us that do own more than one device and we cope with the different layouts of buttons. My Nexus One, Nexus S and Galaxy Tab have different layouts and I know where to push by the tactile feel of each device.
For example, the ps3, Wii and Xbox360 have different designed controllers but plenty of people manage to use all 3 if they own all 3 consoles.
Humans have managed to use different designed products for years without any issue. Why should it be one now?
The issue with the buttons is really a moot point, I agree. However, fragmentation will happen from there being so many different phones using the same OS. It makes it extremely difficult for a developer of an application to bring it to a larger audience. A developer ultimately wants to make money, and the larger audience the better, it allows for larger sales. Because of this it is in a developers best interest to start on iOS, then move to android after they have established a market. Before that, it is not worth the money to spend weeks and weeks optimizing an application to work on a weak andriod phone worth $50, compared to an expensive feature rich android phone. It is just too large of a spread.
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You have a good point on hardware fragmentation and being an owner of higher end devices, I haven't experienced it but I've seen a HTC Wildfire running Angry Birds and it wasn't a pleasent sight.
I've seen the same thing on my wifes iPod touch 3rd gen and my old 2nd Gen iPod touch. We both installed Bonsai Blast wich ran smooth on her 3rd Gen and was very choppy on the 2nd Gen touch (this was earlier in the year when both were still on sale). Developers are also forced to splinter development on iOS (See Rage HD and SD for 3gs and below) so although it is a smaller subset of devices, developers have to exclude iOS devices, possibly reducing profits or cut back to support the hardware that is out there. Does it have GPS, a high powered CPU, a camera, compass, enough ram, do I want to support iOS 3.x on the older generations.
Fragmentation is a reality on all platforms sadly.
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You have a good point on hardware fragmentation and being an owner of higher end devices, I haven't experienced it but I've seen a HTC Wildfire running Angry Birds and it wasn't a pleasent sight.
I've seen the same thing on my wifes iPod touch 3rd gen and my old 2nd Gen iPod touch. We both installed Bonsai Blast wich ran smooth on her 3rd Gen and was very choppy on the 2nd Gen touch (this was earlier in the year when both were still on sale). Developers are also forced to splinter development on iOS (See Rage HD and SD for 3gs and below) so although it is a smaller subset of devices, developers have to exclude iOS devices, possibly reducing profits or cut back to support the hardware that is out there. Does it have GPS, a high powered CPU, a camera, compass, enough ram, do I want to support iOS 3.x on the older generations.
Fragmentation is a reality on all platforms sadly.
Please..if your not a developer, please dont speak for them. They seem to be doing just fine. Not only are they puttng out multiple Apps that Apple has, there are Devs that are also woking constantly on getting out custom ROMs and getting them out it seems everyweek.
You guys read one article that suggests it is hard of Devs and you run with it. That writer isnt a Dev either. If it were that hard on the Devs, you think they would be putting these Apps out for Free?
It seems Android fans always flip out when introduced to this as if they're not exposed to it on a daily basis. Fragmentation does exist, and tons of developers out there, some of whom are major devs, have spoken out against it as well. Like all other operating systems, Android is good, but it's not perfect. iPhone 3G got Froyo before most of the Android phones (some of which, under half a year old, are still stuck on crappy 2.1 or even earlier versions) and now a Nokia phone got Gingerbread before pretty much all of the Android phones except for one. Show me an example of all Android phones up to two years old all getting an update at exactly the same time officially and then I'll shut up. Fragmentation is the only reason I'm not an Android user. It's a big goddamn problem.
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Care to give us examples of this "big goddamn problem" affecting you and which applications you use that have been affected?
I've had very few compatibility issues across Android devices personally and any issues I have had have been fixed via a quick email or tweet to the developers.
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Care to give us examples of this "big goddamn problem" affecting you and which applications you use that have been affected?
I've had very few compatibility issues across Android devices personally and any issues I have had have been fixed via a quick email or tweet to the developers.
You will get your next major OS update in July 2011 so what are you talking about? Ive had an iPhones and these piddly updates your getting now are just fixes for things that werent working well in the original 4.0. Seriously....your talking crap about updates for Android? We will get two more major updates in 2011 and perhaps 3 with Ice Cream while you get one in July and not another till July 2012.
I dont mind somebody trying to make a good point...if they know what the hec they are talking about. You do not.
BTW, i am running 2.2 on my phone. No it wasnt officially released by T-Mobile but i have it and i will get the official one faster than it took iPhone to get MMS.
Nonsense. They're both fragmented. Facts:
- In both cases, developers cannot count on hardware such as compasses, gyros, and front facing cameras.
- In both cases, developers might have to check to see if an API exists.
- In both cases, developers might need to optimize for older, slower devices.
- In both cases, some devices are permanently left behind in OS updates.
- In both cases, a developer sets a target and the store/market only shows appropriate apps to a user.
- There is a larger percentage of users on Android 2.x than there are on iOS 4.x.
- There are more revisions of iOS to worry about, than Android versions.
- Sometimes it's not enough to just check for an API in iOS, as Apple has made some private APIs public and changed their parameters.
Almost none. Most apps only use basic APIs anyway. The only real effect on Android developers is marketing live wallpapers. The only real effect on iOS developers is making sure they have graphics that look nice on all resolutions.
Only naive non-developers make a big deal about something that is normal to hardware and software life cycles... and has been for decades.
Don't be dumb. That Android is fragmented isn't an opinion, it's a fact. It's a big problem, yeah. There are still phones out there that have a Froyo promised to them. Froyo. When Gingerbread is already out. That's like Apple releasing 4.0 for iPhones next July when 5.0 is already out for a few of them. At this point I am really surprised. I always thought you were intelligent enough to form some good arguments but it seems you're just one of those lunatic fanboys who can't admit that their products may have some faults. Stop posting if you can't face the facts. Also, each 4.x update (not 4.?.x) is pretty big and adds some type of functionality. Don't be a biased prick.
Seriously....your talking crap about updates for Android? We will get two more major updates in 2011 and perhaps 3 with Ice Cream while you get one in July and not another till July 2012.
I dont mind somebody trying to make a good point...if they know what the hec they are talking about. You do not.
BTW, i am running 2.2 on my phone. No it wasnt officially released by T-Mobile but i have it and i will get the official one faster than it took iPhone to get MMS.
Gingerbread is on ONE phone. The Nexus S which is their development phone. Nobody else has it yet. Though HTC says their phones will get it, it didn't say when.
Sorry, you still dont know what your talking about. Updates arent perfect and not every phone is going to get them. it is unfortunate that galaxy s owners dont have it yet, but they can if they want. Just takes little doing.
Doesn't change the fact that updates go OS Dev > Manufacturer > Carrier > User instead of OS Dev > User, the former of which has been proven to be a dismal experience for the users who are left with no choice but to perform hacks on their phone. If you have to hack your phone to get the latest version because Manufacturer X promised it but backtracked and Carrier Y is only sending it out in small batches at a time instead of being able to install it the instant it comes out on all devices that came out in the last 2.5 years (except with the case of the iPad, but that's fixed now) then there's a big problem.
"hurr durr u dont know what ur tlaking about" Stop trying to save face already. You and Nizmoz just leave. You two are the opposite of each other when it comes to preferences but you're both still massive trolls who can't admit faults with their phones.
Iphone is fragmented too. You have iphone 3g, 3gs, 4, one camera, 2 cameras, etc. Iphone 3g runs iOS4 pretty slow. Things could get further complicated with iphone 5 and iOS5. That is the price of progress.
Sure, wasn't denying that. I even stated it with the iPad example.
The cameras thing isn't a problem with fragmentation, though. You picked a bad example there. Thing that most affects fragmentation would be the differing screen resolutions and CPU/RAM differences.
I admit faults. I just dont think you know what your talking about. I agree we shouldnt have to hack our phones but when you get only two weeks to return it when they say you will be getting updates at X amount of time....Samsung has been really slow with this. So , why dont you just leave. You have been here since July and bring fanboyism to the table and wont admit your wrong when others here are telling you iPhone is fragmented as well. But of course, you wont address that.
There are many device for Android and not all the phones are going to get the updates. Just like when Apple didnt update the 2G when 4.0 came around ...because it wasnt powerful enough. Ive said Samsung is slow and that is unfortunate but i think it is more T-Mobiles and other carriers fault. Samsung has sent the release to them. From there, i dont know whats up.
Unbelievable. Hard to believe that there are people on this Earth that are this daft.
So , why dont you just leave. You have been here since July and bring fanboyism to the table and wont admit your wrong when others here are telling you iPhone is fragmented as well. But of course, you wont address that.
There are many device for Android and not all the phones are going to get the updates. Just like when Apple didnt update the 2G when 4.0 came around ...because it wasnt powerful enough. Ive said Samsung is slow and that is unfortunate but i think it is more T-Mobiles and other carriers fault. Samsung has sent the release to them. From there, i dont know whats up.
Everybody's been slow with this. But the blame goes to Google for not recognizing this problem and fixing it the day before it started. Really poor planning.
While your joindate reading skills are remarkable, your post reading skills (and all other kinds of skills in general) are abysmal. I didn't disagree with the other person saying that fragmentation occurs on iOS as well. I do believe that it's a bigger problem on Android, obviously. And it's not because Android is bad, but because the way Google executed it is bad. They didn't bother setting minimum hardware requirements as well as making sure manufacturers didn't mess with Android by adding their extra ugly UI that just slows everything down as well as making sure that carriers won't struggle so much with delivering the updates. Learn to read before you repeat yourself over and over and over and... over and over and over again.
iPhone 2G didn't get 4.x because it's too weak. Yes, this is fragmentation, given that the 3G has exactly the same hardware plus 3G capabilities. However what you're missing is that less than a percentage of iPhone users are on the 2G. But still, 4.x runs like ass on the 3G, but it's better than nothing. Look at Samsung Galaxy phones. Didn't officially get Froyo yet when Gingerbread is already out, and they make up for a huge portion of the Android market. This is inexcusable. A major update came out and only one phone has it so far.
Please make sure you read my posts carefully because I hate repeating myself. Don't just skim over them, read them slowly. You seem like a jumpy little kid who can't wait to get his comment across that he doesn't wait to even read what others are typing. If you keep posting like a mindless fanboy, I'm just going to quit. Frankly, at this point, I think you're just frantically saving face because you realized that your posts hold no logical connection with the case here.
You know, i dont mind being wrong but i dont need snide remarks from somebody who thinks they are a smart guy either. Nice that you called me stupid and then edited it. If you dont want to read what others have to say and your too highbrow to deal with them, then just go someplace else.
Well smart guy...Gingerbread is released to one phone. It is not officially released yet as a major update. It is in the Nexus S which is Googles development phone...once again.
Please read my posts carefully before making repeated remarks. I hate repeating myself and you said basically the same thing i said about the 2G...and im no kid. Not sure what you are asside from somebody who thinks they know it all. And im not "frantically" doing anything but you sure are bothered that somebody said you didnt know what your talking about, so you decide to try and act like somebody we should care about......LOL
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