iPhone 4s camera comparable Galaxy S II

[markthrash]

Yep, here is the faceoff between the iP4S and the GS2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp0HlX1ySGg&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1EBlCWBHHs&feature=relmfu

His review does have some spots where he's completely wrong about Siri. He states that on the Samsung you are able to voice-to-text all at once, whereas on iPhone's Siri that you have to wait for Siri to respond and then say your message, making it in capable of sending a text all at once (i.e. text John that we are headed over). But that's completely inaccurate. I've done it all in one step and Siri's understood it perfectly. I'm assuming he hasn't really gone through with Siri's functionalities.

 

[Frankied22]

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Here you go- dynamic range and decent bokeh, from my 4s, and of course I spent no time and composition.

Based on two days of shooting I am comfortable you don't really know what the 4S imager is capable of.

It's not bokeh. It's just a shallow depth of field. I noticed that DOF is very shallow in most IP4S images. It's not really a good thing.

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Originally Posted by fastfinger
They didn't even consider the iphone's image stabilization, huge improvement over the Galaxy
SPOT ON point, and completely relevant and critical to real life use!

But hey, did you read about the droid's specs and see those amazing test scores??!?

What image stabilization? If iPhone has optical stabilization it would be a real thing. Electronic stabilization on the other hand is just a gimmick. The only reason Apple hyped it up was because they did not have much to talk about during iPhone 4S introduction. SGS2 also has it but you would not know that:

The Samsung Galaxy S2 also has something for all those photographers and people who enjoys taking pictures, it comes with a nice 8.0MP camera with a resolution up to 3264×2440 pixels! Some of the features it includes are auto focus, touch focus, face detection, image stabilization, and geo-tagging. On top of that, the Galaxy S2 can record in high definition at 1080p videos at 30 FPS. This can be great for those who daily vlog, so no need to carry multiple devices to get the job done. On the front of the android, it has a 2.0MP camera for video chatting and taking photos of yourself or whatever you like!


Link

I love this post. Pwned with hard facts. I will admit that I didn't know the GS2 had stabilization. Thanks for the info!

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

Lots of folks in here trying their ass off to justify their purchase. One thing apple fans hate is being told their product isn't the best.

 

[gloss]

When camera movement does get involved, SGSII looks even better (comparatively). Here is a good comparison on youtube

iPhone 4S exhibits higher image compression.

The compression is a YouTube artifact for both phones. Come on now.

re: the 4S's depth of field, it's a function of the fairly wide aperture (f/2.4), which provides for better low-light quality. the GSII is at f/2.8, which is only marginally smaller. the difference in DOF is not going to be that pronounced.

 

[lilo777]

The compression is a YouTube artifact for both phones. Come on now.

I agree that both videos look bad. I think SGSII has a small edge there but even if it does the difference is very small. It's a good demonstration of the limitations of phone cameras. People sometimes get carried away after watching some static videos which do look pretty good.

 

[Arni99]

Great 4S video footage on Vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/30578363

 

[PhoneI]

I have both a SG2 and a 4S, and I think the 4S pics and video are definitely better. The biggest difference between the two are I feel the colors are better represented on the iPhone camera

 

[lilo777]

Great 4S video footage on Vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/30578363

The only good thing about this video is music Jokes aside, the video is good artistically but in other respects it's nothing special. Depth of field is consistently too shallow. Sunny day and slow moving objects - that's all iPhone 4S camera (and other smart phones too) can handle reasonably well.

 

[AAPLaday]

I just wished HTC was more consistent with their cameras on their phones like what their MyTouch Slide 4G has. I want the Sensation XE but the quality just isn't good on it.

The Titan has a really good camera on it

 

[zachimal]

It's not bokeh. It's just a shallow depth of field. I noticed that DOF is very shallow in most IP4S images. It's not really a good thing.

You're confused. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's better just to remain silent.

bokeh - the visual quality of the out-of-focus areas of a photographic image.

A shallow depth of field IS good and is a result of various factors, including distance from the focal point and size of the aperture. The out-of-focus areas will be blurry, that's bokeh, and bokeh can have differing qualities based on the shape of the aperture.

That is bokeh, and the ability to achieve a shallow depth of field is a good thing.

 

[ViperDesign]

I don't understand why people can't admit both phones are great.

We are at a great point in our lives right now concerning phones. Wow, some very impressive phones being released these days.

 

[dwd3885]

I don't understand why people can't admit both phones are great.

We are at a great point in our lives right now concerning phones. Wow, some very impressive phones being released these days.

+1 this. I have BOTH right now and can't decide which one to keep. Both soo good. Really not much differences. If there are differences, only VERY minimal.

 

[lilo777]

You're confused. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's better just to remain silent.

bokeh - the visual quality of the out-of-focus areas of a photographic image.

A shallow depth of field IS good and is a result of various factors, including distance from the focal point and size of the aperture. The out-of-focus areas will be blurry, that's bokeh, and bokeh can have differing qualities based on the shape of the aperture.

That is bokeh, and the ability to achieve a shallow depth of field is a good thing.

Quote from Advanced Photography:

Bokeh and depth of field, both the techniques help the photographers in creating beautiful photographs. In the approach of photographing at lower f-numbers, the distinction between depth of field and bokeh vanishes and the hobbyists and enthusiasts often end up using the terms bokeh and DOF interchangeably. To photograph the aesthetics of the subject and the background, one should be clear about what DOF and bokeh stand for. To effectively use the two techniques, let’s have a quick view at depth of field, bokeh and the differences between the two.


Ability to have shallow DOF is good. The problem is that with iPhone 4S camera you don't really have any control over it and the sample photos and videos show that DOF is often too shallow which will create a problem for many people snapping pictures of groups of people - most faces will be out of focus.

 

[grovertdog]

Quote from Advanced Photography:

Bokeh and depth of field, both the techniques help the photographers in creating beautiful photographs. In the approach of photographing at lower f-numbers, the distinction between depth of field and bokeh vanishes and the hobbyists and enthusiasts often end up using the terms bokeh and DOF interchangeably. To photograph the aesthetics of the subject and the background, one should be clear about what DOF and bokeh stand for. To effectively use the two techniques, let’s have a quick view at depth of field, bokeh and the differences between the two.


Ability to have shallow DOF is good. The problem is that with iPhone 4S camera you don't really have any control over it and the sample photos and videos show that DOF is often too shallow which will create a problem for many people snapping pictures of groups of people - most faces will be out of focus.

You continue to demonstrate you don't understand what BOKEH is, and that you didn't understand my post.

I took a macro shot of a poorly lit pencil to illustrate the bright, out of focus background, and thus, the BOKEH of same!

You are also irreparably incorrect and misleading when you erroneously state:
"Ability to have shallow DOF is good. The problem is that with iPhone 4S camera you don't really have any control over it"

Guess what? Just like the Galaxy 2, the 4gs aperture is FIXED. When you have FIXED aperture, FIXED optical focal length, and FIXED distance to sensor & sensor size, guess, what, DEPTH OF FIELD IS FIXED! Neither of these phones provides any control over this, unless you want to consider the use of "macro" mode.

And if you think electronic stabilization, properly done, is a "gimmick", well, here's yet another example of you talking about things you don't know about. And I'm a Canon shooter, with plenty of optical IS glass...

And finally...

DOF is often too shallow which will create a problem for many people snapping pictures of groups of people - most faces will be out of focus.

More utter madness. To get say 3 people (head and shoulders shot)/ landscape orientation, you'll stand 5 or 6 feet from the subject with the 4s. All faces will be in focus and well within the depth of field even if the subjects' heads are 18 inches deep! C'mon, QUIT MAKING THIS STUFF UP.

 

[lilo777]

You continue to demonstrate you don't understand what BOKEH is, and that you didn't understand my post.

I took a macro shot of a poorly lit pencil to illustrate the bright, out of focus background, and thus, the BOKEH of same!

You are also irreparably incorrect and misleading when you erroneously state:
"Ability to have shallow DOF is good. The problem is that with iPhone 4S camera you don't really have any control over it"

Guess what? Just like the Galaxy 2, the 4gs aperture is FIXED. When you have FIXED aperture, FIXED optical focal length, and FIXED distance to sensor & sensor size, guess, what, DEPTH OF FIELD IS FIXED! Neither of these phones provides any control over this, unless you want to consider the use of "macro" mode.

And if you think electronic stabilization, properly done, is a "gimmick", well, here's yet another example of you talking about things you don't know about. And I'm a Canon shooter, with plenty of optical IS glass...

I did not argue that SGSII has aperture control. SGSII however has aperture 2.8 (compared to iPhone's 2.4). But the problem is shared by these and all other smart phones.

 

[grovertdog]

I did not argue that SGSII has aperture control. SGSII however has aperture 2.8 (compared to iPhone's 2.4). But the problem is shared by these and all other smart phones.

Weren't you making the point that the 1/2 stop difference between the two phones has a material effect on DOF? It sure seemed that way was you cited your various "problems" with the 4s.

And actually, I think you're rather missing the boat here. The problem with smartphone lens/sensors is that the DOF is TOO BIG, not too small. That is why there are third party software pgms for these phones to "simulate" OOF Background.

One goal has been to reduce DOF, and the only reasonable approach is to increase maximum aperture, as Apple did with the 4s.

 

[Savor]

Back around 2006-2009, the battle for cameraphone supremacy came down to Sony Ericsson vs Nokia. K800 vs N73. K850 vs N82. C905 vs N86. Satio vs N8. Samsung and LG were also contenders but never really surpassed one of SE or Nokia's best cameraphone of that year. But you can't underestimate Samsung's know-how at manufacturing a great cameraphone. Their Pixon12 was the first 12MP cameraphone out there back in 2009 and they make their own sensors. Alot of iPhone's internals come from Asian companies' components.

Nice to see Apple and HTC are contenders in it this year since neither were ever known at making the very best cameraphones prior to 2010-2011.

 

[lilo777]

Engadget just published the results of quick camera testing they did for several phones. While iPhone 4S and SGSII delivered comparable results in terms of quality there was one surprise. iPhone 4S consumed much more power than SGSII (or iPhone 4 for that matter).

 

[Juan007]

I work in the business, I know quality from crap. The reviews posted thus far are from amateurs. My impression thus far is that the 4S has extremely high quality from a camera phone and the competitors cannot compete. If you want a real review of image quality, wait for dpreview to do a comparison, not some guy who reviews downscaled videos re-compressed for youtube.

If anyone wants to send me a full-res video from the "Samsung Galaxy S2 touch pro slide" or whatever they are calling that abomination of a phone these days, I'll take a look at it.

 

[thenerdal]

Engadget just published the results of quick camera testing they did for several phones. While iPhone 4S and SGSII delivered comparable results in terms of quality there was one surprise. iPhone 4S consumed much more power than SGSII (or iPhone 4 for that matter).

I am surprised.

 

[shadrap]

Engadget just published the results of quick camera testing they did for several phones. While iPhone 4S and SGSII delivered comparable results in terms of quality there was one surprise. iPhone 4S consumed much more power than SGSII (or iPhone 4 for that matter).

They said in the article that they believe the iPhone took better pics. The exact statement was. "Exposure and white balance were most accurate with Apple's finest".

The only negative thing was the lower battery life after usage.

If I were looking at reviews. I would believe Engadget over this no name.

 

[Frenchjay]

Best IPhone 4s video I have seen!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp92v6JP43Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[thenerdal]

They said in the article that they believe the iPhone took better pics. The exact statement was. "Exposure and white balance were most accurate with Apple's finest".

The only negative thing was the lower battery life after usage.

If I were looking at reviews. I would believe Engadget over this no name.

Looking at image quality, I'd say it's a toss up between the iPhone 4S and Galaxy S II, but if you factor in battery life and control options, the Galaxy S II is the winner. That's somewhat surprising to me considering the lens speed and other advances of the iPhone 4S. Of course, there are also a lot of other factors to account for when choosing a phone.

That Engadget article is misleading though. They make it seem like the N8 takes worse pictures than the 4S. This is what N8 is capable of: http://www.flickr.com/photos/63632890@N08/

 

[lilo777]

They said in the article that they believe the iPhone took better pics. The exact statement was. "Exposure and white balance were most accurate with Apple's finest".

The only negative thing was the lower battery life after usage.

If I were looking at reviews. I would believe Engadget over this no name.

Yes, they said that. Yet this was purely their subjective opinion. They did not describe their methodology because they did not have any.

As to PC World being "no name", this is not even funny. If you do not know who they are, read Wikipedia article:

PC World is a global computer magazine published monthly by IDG[2]. It offers advice on various aspects of PCs and related items, the Internet, and other personal-technology products and services. In each publication, PC World reviews and tests hardware and software products from a variety of manufacturers, as well as other technology related devices such as still and video cameras, audio devices and televisions.


The publication was announced at the COMDEX trade show in November 1982, and first appeared on newsstands in March 1983; its original staff consisted of people who had left PC Magazine en masse after that publication was acquired by Ziff Davis.[6]
The magazine was founded by David Bunnell and Cheryl Woodard, and its first editor was Andrew Fluegelman.
PC World's magazine and web site have won a number of awards from Folio, the American Society of Business Publication Editors, MIN, the Western Publications Association, and other organizations; it is also one of the few technology magazines to have been a finalist for a National Magazine Award.
Many well-known technology writers have contributed to PC World, including Steve Bass, Daniel Tynan, Christina Wood, Stephen Manes, Lincoln Spector, Stewart Alsop, David Coursey, James A. Martin, and others. Editors have included Harry Miller, Richard Landry, Eric Knorr, Phil Lemmons, Cathryn Baskin, Kevin McKean, and Harry McCracken.
In 2005 the show Digital Duo was slightly rebranded and relaunched as PC World's Digital Duo and ran for an additional 26 episodes.
As of 2006, PC World's audited rate base of 750,000 makes it the largest-circulation computing magazine in the world.[7]

 

[grovertdog]

Yes, they said that. Yet this was purely their subjective opinion. They did not describe their methodology because they did not have any.

As to PC World being "no name", this is not even funny. If you do not know who they are, read Wikipedia article:
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You should quit while you are behind. Citing "PC World", known in the industry as a "fluff" rag, for a camera review, means you couldn't be less serious about this. If it says "ziff davis" or "idg" in publisher detail, know that all you are reading is glorified advertising.