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Oh don't get me wrong, Siri is amazing, and if I could afford to sink money into a new phone I would in a heartbeat. Right now I believe it's ahead of our time.

What really gets me from watching the video of the keynote is how Siri's algorithms work with WolframAlpha's. That pairing is beautiful, as I use Wolfram in my math class all the time. I'd imagine you could speak some pretty complex equations into Siri and it would produce the Wolfram results (which include solving the equation, graphing it, etc.)

Being a mathematician, that actually sparked my interest the most, the wolfram alpha partnership. The things I'm gonna try when I get my hands on it. :)

Then again, I don't think I'll use Siri anywhere outside in a crowded place. It's a really "cool" feature more than a practical one at this point, at least for me.
 
Am I the only one that isn't eligible to upgrade until Nov 18th? I can't remember when the iPhone 4 was launched but I would like to think that many people that have been dedicated iPhone users won't be eligible to upgrade to the 4S without paying for it outright...

My upgrade eligibility date is November 25th, while my friend's date is not until February. Weird thing is, we both got our iPhone 4's on launch day (end of June 2010?), so I can't figure out how ATT calculates these things...

On another note, I, for one, am happy with the upgrades in the 4S. I still LOVE the looks of my iPhone 4 and wasn't wild about the so-called 'teardrop' shape that was in the rumor mill for a while. I'm happy that they've retained the same form factor as the 4. (I think that's the only reason they chose to name it the 4S instead of the 5, but frankly, I think Apple could just have easily called this new phone the iPhone 5, what with all the huge improvements internally, and we wouldn't be seeing most of the complaints here....:D)
 
Oh, and another feature announced that I think got way underestimated was iMessage. I'm eager to learn more about this service. It sounds like an end-run around txting. Just about 100% of my friends have an iPhone of some kind. If iMessage means I can eliminate my txt plan, that would be AWESOME.
 
This isn't the upgrade you're looking for.
You can go about your business.
Move along.
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hahahha wow apple dropped the ball big time. They were on top and now EVERYONE will pass them. I wanted to upgrade my iphone 4 to something awesome but the 4s is the same thing just a bit faster. Who was the idiot that thought an upgrade would be good when they saturated their userbase already? Nobody will upgrade their iphone 4 for a simple speed increase. You won't even be able to tell what phone is a 4 or a 4s now since they look the same. This is the beginning of the end for the iphone, the same thing happened to their computers. They try hard and make great products and then get comfortable and everyone else passes them. In a few years iOS will be 20% market share and Android 70%. Now I am forced to choose between a crappy speed bump or some crazy specced android phone like the Nexus Prime.
 
Amazing! I can't wait!

I can't wait to get mine, the camera on the 4 is awful, I hate the photos and the video looks terrible on my TV. Finally full 1080p!

Seriously though.

I don't know how well Siri will work, the current voice recognition is awful. I have to put on an american accent to get it to recognize names.

I think Apple's product design is amazing, I can understand why they kept the same body type, even the old 3G and 3GS still look good. It would have been nice to have a selection of sizes though.

I think this is classic Apple strategy, they don't care about what you want, they have grander plans. With Apple it's about the entire experience. They can ignore the competition, because they are able to have so many good ideas and implement them well within their ecosystem.

It's funny how people are pissed that they don't have a bigger screen, or thinner phone, so will jump ship. The beauty of the App store is that it helps to lock people in. If you spent a few hundred in apps, you have a big disincentive to switch to a new platform, because you will loose all those apps.
 
Apple Engineering, are we there yet?

Now we finally have a phone that can talk to any one of three USA carriers, AT&T, Verizon or Sprint. Cool.

Now when can we have "multi-homing" and have arrangements with 2-3 of those 3 carriers and pick and choose which carrier to use based on reception or remaining buckets of gigglebytes?

I ask.

Rocketman
 
All I want to know is, which iPhone 4 is the 4S similar too -- the Verizon or the AT&T?

For example, mute switch was different on the phones which means the Bumper cases couldn't be used interchangeably.

Did someone hold their iPhone 4 up to the 4S at the event and compare?
 
Siri: a spit in iPhone 4 users' faces

Non-inclusion of Siri in iOS 5 for iPhone 4 & (all versions of) iPads is a blatant spit in the face of every iPhone 4 user! This is quite unpardonable!
 
For whom?

After 16 months from iPhone 4 release...just it? A "S"? What a shame!

Are you worse off? Did Apple lose today...and if so, so what?
Of course, maybe you are worse off, maybe all of us in the west are worse off because Apple didn't take Samsung seriously enough.

I don't know, but I think Apple still has quite the advantage. It does look like they missed an opportunity, but it sounded to me as if this was strategic in order to take over eastern markets where they Apple has to be more competitive with price. So, what doesn't make much sense here may make more sense globally.

...of course, Apple's big selling point in the east is their popularity in the west...so they have to be careful not to sit on their laurels too long.
 
Apple just needs to learn to lower customer expectations.. the rumors were absolutely crazy over the iphone 5. All Apple needs to say is... "We're sticking with the same design, but the internals will be upgraded significantly" and leave it at that.... Is that so hard?

Smartest comment I've ever read on here. Even the stock price takes a big hit when they don't meet the rumored expections. Save the hype for new and major release products.
 
:apple: iPhone. Now using touch.

:apple: iPhone 4S. Now using voice.

:apple: iPhone 8S... Now using your Mind. :D

Then, we shall know the true meaning of "Think Different"

:apple:
 
hahahha wow apple dropped the ball big time. They were on top and now EVERYONE will pass them. I wanted to upgrade my iphone 4 to something awesome but the 4s is the same thing just a bit faster. Who was the idiot that thought an upgrade would be good when they saturated their userbase already? Nobody will upgrade their iphone 4 for a simple speed increase. You won't even be able to tell what phone is a 4 or a 4s now since they look the same. This is the beginning of the end for the iphone, the same thing happened to their computers. They try hard and make great products and then get comfortable and everyone else passes them. In a few years iOS will be 20% market share and Android 70%. Now I am forced to choose between a crappy speed bump or some crazy specced android phone like the Nexus Prime.

You mean the same speed increase that no one wanted with the 3GS? 5% of the global market is saturation? You mean the 16 straight high-growth computer quarters IN A ROW for them? What planet are you living on? Seriously, your post is almost completely lies.
 
hahahha wow apple dropped the ball big time. They were on top and now EVERYONE will pass them. I wanted to upgrade my iphone 4 to something awesome but the 4s is the same thing just a bit faster. Who was the idiot that thought an upgrade would be good when they saturated their userbase already? Nobody will upgrade their iphone 4 for a simple speed increase. You won't even be able to tell what phone is a 4 or a 4s now since they look the same. This is the beginning of the end for the iphone, the same thing happened to their computers. They try hard and make great products and then get comfortable and everyone else passes them. In a few years iOS will be 20% market share and Android 70%. Now I am forced to choose between a crappy speed bump or some crazy specced android phone like the Nexus Prime.

Specc'd was your word interesting choice. All the Prime has is specs. I really hope you enjoy reading the spec sheet. If you tape it to the back of the phone, maybe you can remember why your supposed to love it.

The 4s (or even had they called it 5) Really was not designed to compel people who bought a phone last year to upgrade...

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Of course we don't know if it is true. If it is true we don't know why the limitation exists. I am not sure it is quite the spit in the face he purports.
 
The only, the ONLY thing I'm personally a bit disappointed by in the iPhone announcement is that the 64Gb model is coming out at a higher price point, rather than filling the price point of the previous top tier model. Although full UK pricing hasn't been announced yet (simply "from £499...") I'd be willing to wager from the hundred dollar increases in the US iP4S model and that $100 parity with 3G iPad prices, that the models will come in at £499-£579-£659

It would also give the iPhone / iPad an interesting price - spec parity.

Previous to the event, I was hoping/expecting the top tier to come in at £599. But a £60 increase to those expectations, (and what ... £49? increase from current iP4 prices) I guess it's not too bad in the grand scheme of things. Thats the trouble of reality vs expectations i guess!

That is assuming they don't whack the 64GB in at £699, than I'd be a bit less nonchalant!
 
BBC video posted in flash....

I was very much hoping for a redesign to something more comfortable and less fragile. Oh yes, my opinion/experience differs from yours? Outrageous!

As it stands all I see is better reception and the white option as temptations, lol.
 
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iBug2 said:
* No LTE (no simultaneous voice and data on Verizon)
* No WiMax (no simultaneous voice and data on Sprint)
* No HSPA+ (iPhone now is officially the slowest phone that can be bought for $100+)
* No NFC
* No OLED
* Slow processor (I expect them to clock it at 800MHz)
* No screen size choices
* No dual-band WiFi
* Only 512MB of RAM (expected)
* Mediocre front face camera (VGA vs 2 MP for Samsung Galaxy SII)
* No support for memory cards

The only feature where iPhone still stands out is screen resolution but even this one is going to be bested in exactly one week (Samsung Nexus Prime - 1280x720 resolution and LG has a similar model)

Sorry but, weren't basically all those downsides to iPhone 4 as well? It wasn't the fastest phone out there, no NFC. No Oled, no screen size choices, no dual band wifi, only 512MB ram (well at that point all the rest had 512 as well though), the camera resolution front and back were lower than competitors, and no support for memory cards where even much older phones had support for SD.


That did not change anything and iPhone 4 became the #1 smartphone worldwide anyway.

This because phones are not spec sheets. I still remember people quoting the nokia specs when the iPhone was announced ( in hindsight lmao) but the same people make the same schoolboy errors launch after launch.

Apples hardware and software integration is such a huge advantage that none of the android handset makers have real come close to providing a similar quality experience. This is why the iPhone models continue to stand above all the android phones. It is not even close.

Apple makes a phone for you go use for two years, android manufacturers make phones to be used for two months.

All the misguided spec quotes can't change the fact that apple has managed to maintain a massive lead in user experience in the smartphone market

I find it hard to take people serious when they demand a lower resolution less crisp screen would make the iPhone better. Leave those poor moves to the android wannabes
 
What's with all these people complaining about screen size? I understand that most numbers should go up with new tech (like megapixel count, storage, battery life, processor speed, etc.) but the screen size doesn't. It's like being disappointed that the new Nissan Altima has the same size wheels as last years... duh... they're going with what makes sense. I could understand being mad if the car has the same horsepower, nav system, and gas mileage as last year, but the wheels? Who cares... same for the screen. Your hands didn't get bigger did they?

I'm most likely going to be going from my Droid X to this so it's not like I have no experience with a larger screen... 4.3" has its benefits but its mostly drawbacks. One thing I noticed though strikes me... pulling down the android notification bar on a 4.3" screen is rather annoying, having me shift my hand and reposition my phone to grab the top of the screen. Trying the same action on my 3.5" iPod touch, and it's fine; no maneuvering at all. There's a reason they have a 3.5" screen. Even with the 4" screen on the Incredible 2 I had for a while required some moving around... and it's not like I could type any faster really. I could only type so fast on my X before the usual Android slowness caught up and prevented me from going any faster and the keyboard on the Incredible 2, while less laggy, wasn't really too big of a difference... I can type just as fast on the 3.5" as I could on my X with the 4.3" and, with the better overall keyboard of iOS, it's a better experience overall and typing is quicker. Would it have been nice to have a 4" or at least a 3.7" screen on the IP4S? Yeah, but it's not like .5 or .3 inches are that big of a deal... and if the form factor means a bigger phone, I'll take the smaller screen.

... not to mention that I'd take the resolution on the IP4S' screen over a larger screen with a lower on anything else.

One little thing I noticed, the 4.3" screens that are on many Android phones (like my Droid X) are 16x9 screens, where as Apple's 3.5" isn't... so typing in portrait, which is when I type the majority of my messages, the keyboard is the same size on my Droid X that it is on an iPhone 4 or 4S... no difference... the display on the X is taller... that's all. So movies are nicer, and landscape typing is nicer, but other than that, it's not really any different...

The one thing I'm a little irked about is that they introduced a 64GB model, something very appealing to me considering my music library alone is 70GB, but didn't decrease the prices (ie. 32GB iPhone 4S for $199 and 64GB iPhone 4S for $299). This would be the deal breaker for me... I'd get a 64GB in a heartbeat to facilitate it... but 400 is a lot of money...

Another thing is of course 4G LTE capabilities and I know, I know, I wasn't expecting it at all and wasn't surprised when there wasn't LTE included, but considering my area has 4G and I often travel back and forth to NYC, an area also blanketed by 4G, I'm still considering whether or not I should jump the android ship to the iPhone ecosystem... my thought is that, since I'm in college for 2 more years and happen to be blanketed by WiFi anyway, I might as well just get the 4S and use the WiFi and 3G together to get the same speeds anyway.

Decisions decisions... only question I have is whether or not the Verizon iPhone 4S can get the quicker 3G speeds that the dual antenna switching offers, or of it is only for the HSDPA networks. If not, that'd be disappointing, but definitely not a deal breaker...
 
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