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iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Start at 12:01 AM Pacific on Friday

This is the first phone, i find absolutely no reason to jailbreak!

Yea, jail-breaking is cool, but everything I need is in the phone, so why?

Plus, I can stay on all the current iOS releases without having to wait.

Unlocking, a different story, that I still want to-do, especially since AT&T sucks for not allowing everyone to upgrade this time. Gonna leave them like hotcakes first chance. :)
 
As far as the name goes, Apple could name the thing iPhone 4S32.185 Rev B, and it would still be the same thing. The bottom line is that the name is meaningless, it is simply a tool that they use to differentiate models. So long as you can tell a 4 from a 4S, the different names have done their job. They don't need to follow a logical pattern or have an intrinsic meaning.
 
Zunjine said:
Perhaps. But it just feels like there is a naming convention but that it's a strange and obtuse one that dosn't add up.

The S clearly stands for a design which has the same case but new insides. But then what does the 4 stand for? If the four means fourth then the 3GS means 3 and the 4S means 5. If it doesn't then what does 4 mean?
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OMG people. Seriously. Who cares how they named it or why? It's just the next iteration of the iPhone.
 
iBug2 said:
No, they are both logical in their own because there never was a naming convention.

For your argument to be true, Apple either had to name each of their Phones according to generation, in which case naming this one 4S would be breaking the tradition, or Apple had to name each of their phones according to some fixed characteristic, which is not equal to generation, in which case naming the 4th one iPhone 4 would be breaking the tradition.

But since Apple did neither, they never created a tradition/convention for naming. As long as each name made sense on its own, it worked.
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The 4 doesn't make sense on it's own unless the 3GS was the 3 and the 3G was the 2. Hence there clearly is a naming convention. It's just a broken naming convention unless the 4S = 5.
 
AtariMac said:
Apple did not have your hopes up. You had your hopes up. Reality check time.
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Would you like some cheese with the whine?

I said weeks ago there wouldn't be an iPhone 5 - that all we were going to get is the iPhone 4S. Anyone with half a brain would have expected nothing more. Just look at past history. Jobs himself has said something to the effect that the iPhone 4 was the most beautiful design ever from Apple. So to think that they would just scrap that design and start over is unrealistic.
I would go further by predicting that Apple keeps this same form-factor for the iPhone 5....maybe with a larger screen.

When you read rumor sites like this one, they tend to get you all psyched up for things that have very little basis in reality. And in the end you are left disappointed.
 
Zunjine said:
The 4 doesn't make sense on it's own unless the 3GS was the 3 and the 3G was the 2. Hence there clearly is a naming convention. It's just a broken naming convention unless the 4S = 5.
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Of course it does. It's the 4th iPhone. You need to pay attention to the words "on its own". So for the 4 to make sense "on its own", 3GS does not have to be 3.

They can make the next phone come in multiple colors, and name it iPhone rainbow, which would make sense on its own, as well.
 
People kill me, WTF cares about a name. It could be iPhone ****** you, for all you care, its about whether its revolutionary, and cutting edge and is.

Androids suck, and always have. I have one that I use as a paperweight.

It's like this. I live in NYC.

I lost a an Android, and they were Dying to Give it back. The guy said I'm right at 20th street. You can pick it up now.

I lost the iPhone 4, and never got it back, after police reports, and everything.

No one wants that android ****, let's face it. Android=Cheap luis vuton knockoffs (and bad at that)

Go Apple! :D
 
I wonder if Apple will go back to the June / July release cycle next year or stick to October from now on. To me, an S indicates a 'middle of the road' upgrade. What will the next iPhone be called? iPhone 5 or 6?

Maybe Sprint will get their own iPhone afterall called 'iPhone Pro'. I don't know. :confused:
 
wescravn said:
This is the first phone, i find absolutely no reason to jailbreak!

Yea, jail-breaking is cool, but everything I need is in the phone, so why?

Plus, I can stay on all the current iOS releases without having to wait.

Unlocking, a different story, that I still want to-do, especially since AT&T sucks for not allowing everyone to upgrade this time. Gonna leave them like hotcakes first chance. :)
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Plus Apple is employing all of the jailbreakers! LOL Pretty soon they will all work for Apple, and there will be no one left.
 
It's a phone people...

As usual, the media and the zealots hyped this up beyond reasonable expectations. Innovation is great, but let's be realistic. And if you look at some of the new features, it's a pretty damn good upgrade. Shoving a 8 MP camera in with a fixed f2.4 lens is no small feat (no pun intended), and Siri - for now - looks pretty sweet. It is sometimes better to perfect an existing device rather than to churn new stuff that is unfinished or not ready for actual use. :cool:
 
ozone said:
As usual, the media and the zealots hyped this up beyond reasonable expectations. Innovation is great, but let's be realistic. And if you look at some of the new features, it's a pretty damn good upgrade. Shoving a 8 MP camera in with a fixed f2.4 lens is no small feat (no pun intended), and Siri - for now - looks pretty sweet. It is sometimes better to perfect an existing device rather than to churn new stuff that is unfinished or not ready for actual use. :cool:
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I'm happy they didn't change the design. I would of been MAD! :D
Yeah ozone, sort of like windows right? Windows 8 is the third incarnation of Windows Vista, and still sucks. Alpha, Prebeta, and beta
 
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wescravn said:
iPhone 4S=iPhone 4 Special Edition for y'all that didn't know ;)

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Muscle Nerd won't work for apple!
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Yeah, unless they offer him some steroids with a contract. :D;)

Really though, iOS 5 does finally integrate a lot of the jailbreak apps into the actual iOS finally, which is great. I will still jailbreak though as there are still a lot of other tweaks that I use that Apple will never offer to the masses.
 
iBug2 said:
Of course it does. It's the 4th iPhone. You need to pay attention to the words "on its own". So for the 4 to make sense "on its own", 3GS does not have to be 3.

They can make the next phone come in multiple colors, and name it iPhone rainbow, which would make sense on its own, as well.
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How can a name that depends on it being the 4th iPhone make sense 'on it's own'? You're making it contingient on it's place within a sequence. So no, it doesn't make sense 'on it's own' but only within that sequence. Otherwise it's just a random number.

So there is no convention on the names being entirely independent. The iPhone 4 only makes sense if it is part of a sequence and is the fourth in that sequence. It is the fourth iPhone and so is called the iPhone 4. But if that is true then the iPhone 4S is the fifth iPhone and so should be called the iPhone 5. Either one or the other is wrong.
 
fishmd said:
Yeah, unless they offer him some steroids with a contract. :D;)

Really though, iOS 5 does finally integrate a lot of the jailbreak apps into the actual iOS finally, which is great. I will still jailbreak though as there are still a lot of other tweaks that I use that Apple will never offer to the masses.
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That was wrong of you! Fishmd :eek:
 
If it was iPhone 5 I would want to wait at the store for the fun of it. Now I am not sure if I will just preorder.
 
Zunjine said:
How can a name that depends on it being the 4th iPhone make sense 'on it's own'? You're making it contingient on it's place within a sequence. So no, it doesn't make sense 'on it's own' but only within that sequence. Otherwise it's just a random number.

So there is no convention on the names being entirely independent. The iPhone 4 only makes sense if it is part of a sequence and is the fourth in that sequence. It is the fourth iPhone and so is called the iPhone 4. But if that is true then the iPhone 4S is the fifth iPhone and so should be called the iPhone 5. Either one or the other is wrong.
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Wrong, zunjiine you an iPhone newbie?
1) iphone
2) iphone 3g
3) iphone 3gs
4) iphone 4
5) iphone 4s

They never followed any naming convention. Who cares?

Look at Droid naming convention, Bionic, Galaxy, Galaxy II, Prevail, Nerd, Superman, Wonder Twins, Wonder Woman :D Droid Ultimate, they can make two thousand names, but they all suck, and are POS period.
 
Shame. Apple is 0 for 3 on this one. If Apple had done just one of these I would have upgraded: bigger screen, 4G, NFC.

Guess I'll keep the 3GS and hope they come up with something better before it dies, or I'll give this Android thing a try
 
Zunjine said:
How can a name that depends on it being the 4th iPhone make sense 'on it's own'? You're making it contingient on it's place within a sequence. So no, it doesn't make sense 'on it's own' but only within that sequence. Otherwise it's just a random number.
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It does make sense on its own because 4 is not a random number. 4 is a number which has a significance for iPhone 4. It's the devices generation.

Exactly like 3G did make sense on its own but did not make any sense when the first model was considered as part of the series. If the first model was named iPhone Edge, then iPhone 3G would make sense according to its place in the series because both devices would have been named according to the same characteristic, the network speed.

Zunjine said:
So there is no convention on the names being entirely independent. The iPhone 4 only makes sense if it is part of a sequence and is the fourth in that sequence. It is the fourth iPhone and so is called the iPhone 4. But if that is true then the iPhone 4S is the fifth iPhone and so should be called the iPhone 5. Either one or the other is wrong.
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There actually is a convention on the names being entirely independent, if there's any convention at all. If you don't count the 4S, there was absolutely no dependence between any of the names so far.

The first iPhone didn't have a name.

The second iPhone had a name and was named after the network speed it supported.

The third iPhone had a name and was named after being faster than the second iPhone.

The fourth iPhone had a name and was named after being the 4th generation in the series.


So far, no two iPhones have been named after the same principle. One for network speed, one for upgrade over the previous, one for generation.

So there's absolutely no convention, none at all.

So when Apple was naming this one, they did not have to follow any kind of convention, because they didn't create any before.

So there were many possibilities for this one. They could have named it after being the faster version of 4, which they did.

But they also could have named it iPhone HSPA+ due to the network speed it supports.

They could have named it iPhone 5, because it's the 5th iPhone.

All those would have made the same amount of sense.
 
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