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I have a Note being delivered tomorrow and I gave my sister my 4s so I'm going to use her upgrade to get the S3. I'm really excited to try it out. Especially if the at&t version keeps the home button.
 
This does not seem like a hands on at all, just a Samsung bashing party. I love my iPhone but I must admit the blue s3 looks amazing.

Who cares of its plastic? It's not like Dell is making it or anything.
 
I feel you. I'm so excited to demo the SIII. Power Amp looks great. But will the SIII be able to get the new and improved Google Maps?

Of course it will. Even if it isnt that most recent one out of the box...which it should be when it gets here, but if not the App will be updated in the Market and it will let you know there is an update for it and you just update it.

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When will US start offering the S3?

Looks like June 20th.
 
Man I sure hope you love the SIII...

So much that you end up joining xda instead :)

Already joined XDA a long time ago. Great place to get custom ROM's, get instructions on how to root a particular phone and anything else you might want. However, i may only root the GS3 just to get rid of the bloatware. Other than that, i dont think there will be a need to do anything else.
 
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Are you implying there's no such thing as an objectively better operating system?

Can we get over this sensitivity about whether we can say an os is or isn't objectively better? Because it allows for complaints and desires for improvement to go unheard. When we keep saying "its only better for you" we are really turning a blind eye to an OS's shortcomings.

I understand that OS's fit everyone differently but we can still discuss what shortcomings each have compared to the other. To not do so is to be complacent. There are issues with android too. I wouldn't for a second pretend there aren't just to say its only an issue for certain people. I would recognize that even if its not necessarily an issue for me, it would still make the OS better if it were resolved.

Also who is saying a flashy operating system is what makes it better? The things being discussed on this thread are features that would add to any operating system if they didn't have them, iOS or not.

Is it really that inconceivable to you that not every human being thinks Android is better because it's onl almost 3000 individual items and has widgets?
 
Is it really that inconceivable to you that not every human being thinks Android is better because it's onl almost 3000 individual items and has widgets?

Of course that's conceivable. That doesn't, and shouldn't, change whether an OS can or cannot be objectively better than another. Consider it: would you ever say iOS isn't objectively better than, say Symbian, just because not everyone feels iMessage (or any of the many features iOS has which Symbian doesn't) is important? Yet can people still have opinions that Symbian is better than iOS? Sure.

And again... let's try to not think about Android vs. iOS. Even if we're just talking about iOS alone, why would anyone not want iOS to improve and get better? Even if certain new features are ones you would never use in your life, why would you argue that it wouldn't make iOS better?

For what it's worth, I was an iPHone 4 and 4S owner, until I switched to the Galaxy Nexus. There are things I like about iOS, and things I dislike about Android. This doesn't change whether I can say one OS is better than the other or not. Even when I was on the 4S, I recognized that ICS had features that made the OS more advance than iOS (which is what the conversation at hand is about; whether ICS has moved ahead of iOS or not).

If we follow your line of thought, that no one can ever say an OS is better than another because of sensitivity to preferences, then none of these conversations would exist, and no one would ever have anything worth complaining about. We'd all just say "well, only you need that. Not me, therefore not a real problem." This is complacency at its best, and intellectually dishonest. Talking like that would be detrimental to all OS's.

We should admit when any OS lacks certain things that other OS's have, even if it doesn't necessarily affect our personal usage. I'm ready to admit Android's shortcomings in the interest of having Google improve. Apple fans, of which I am one, should be able to do the same.

Anyway, I don't want to belabor my point, so I'll leave it at that.
 
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Of course that's conceivable. That doesn't, and shouldn't, change whether an OS can or cannot be objectively better than another. Consider it: would you ever say iOS isn't objectively better than, say Symbian, just because not everyone feels iMessage (or any of the many features iOS has which Symbian doesn't) is important? Yet can people still have opinions that Symbian is better than iOS? Sure.

And again... let's try to not think about Android vs. iOS. Even if we're just talking about iOS alone, why would anyone not want iOS to improve and get better? Even if certain new features are ones you would never use in your life, why would you argue that it wouldn't make iOS better?

For what it's worth, I was an iPHone 4 and 4S owner, until I switched to the Galaxy Nexus. There are things I like about iOS, and things I dislike about Android. This doesn't change whether I can say one OS is better than the other or not. Even when I was on the 4S, I recognized that ICS had features that made the OS more advance than iOS (which is what the conversation at hand is about; whether ICS has moved ahead of iOS or not).

If we follow your line of thought, that no one can ever say an OS is better than another because of sensitivity to preferences, then none of these conversations would exist, and no one would ever have anything worth complaining about. We'd all just say "well, only you need that. Not me, therefore not a real problem." This is complacency at its best, and intellectually dishonest. Talking like that would be detrimental to all OS's.

We should admit when any OS lacks certain things that other OS's have, even if it doesn't necessarily affect our personal usage. I'm ready to admit Android's shortcomings in the interest of having Google improve. Apple fans, of which I am one, should be able to do the same.

Anyway, I don't want to belabor my point, so I'll leave it at that.

I doubt anyone on this forum, especially in this thread, can be "objective."
 
So... you're agreeing then that Android is ahead? :confused: That was his point. I'm not reading anything that seriously contends his point.
I agreed with some of his points, others not so, and some I simply said iOS 6 is on its way which will bring those improvements.
Will iOS 6 bring Apple up to speed? Hopefully, but what does that say about them as innovators? Even as an Apple fan, I have to honestly say they aren't what they used to be. Like was said before, if this was a year ago before ICS came out, I'd be on the other side of this debate. Today, however, things have changed.

I'm holding my breath for IOS 6, and I'm equally excited for it as any other, but it really needs to be a grandslam. Many areas of iOS is in dire need of upgrading (keyboard, mail, safari... etc.).
I'm also hoping it's a grandslam, with improvements to Siri, Safari, Maps, YouTube, file sharing, widgets, and all sorts of other improvements.
3) Maybe, maybe not. I dont see them bringing out a whole slew of them. So when you say they are coming.... theres no guarantee.
4) It still wont be near what Google Maps Nav is and they are unveiling a whole new one themselves. So Apples will most likely be improved, but still way behind. Unless of course you want to spend $50 for Tom Tom which the broken record who is DodgeV83 keeps trying to mention but never mentions it costs you $50 and all you get extra is IQ routes which isnt anything special.
On the contrary I think it will be quite competitive. Apple's acquired three mapping companies over the years, we'll see soon enough but I think it will be quite good.
True, but you can delete it.
Yep but see below.
That's why we have custom ROMs son
Yeah, I know. But they're not available straight away, right? And how does that work with updates from Google?
 
I agree? Where are the blanket statements though? :confused:
For example:
A year ago I may have agreed with this sentiment. But this is just not the case today. Android 4.0.4 is miles ahead of iOS 5.1.1.

Vegastouch made a similar statement to start this conversation.




Apple only puts one new phone out a year while Android puts out a new major OS twice a year along with new phones and why Apple will always be playing catchup from here on out.

Why do you keep saying this? Android 2.3 came out in December 2010. Since then, the only major Android release for smartphones is Android 4.0. Even if you disingenuously count Android 3.0, there has still only been one major release in the last year.
 
You are basing your audio choice on one App? Well ok. We can't actually discern the difference between a 320kbps track and a 192 kbps track on our phones, but if you say so.

And do people really airplay their music for any length of time? It's certainly a cool feature, but I can't say I have ever found the need to drain my phone battery airplaying something that I can just play on the original device in the first place.

Siri is great, except when it's down. It's down too often for me to even say it's good. Speech to text is great too when it works. When it doesn't, it doesn't. I have yet to run into a time (I am sure it happens) where speach on Android gave me an "I can;t do this now" error.

You are basing your GPS on a single App too? That's cool too, I guess, if you are wanting to shell out an extra $50 for navigation. I guess this is extremely subjective at this point. Out of the box, navigation on Android and even WP is better. If you want to spend the coin, you have TomTom, which apparently is hitting those other OS's as well.

Frankly, almost everything you mentioned here is covered under "better apps" IMO. It's not really a feature of the phone or the OS, which is what I thought the comparison was about, hence my confusion.

Ask a gamer why Windows is the best for gaming, he won't mention the built-in Solitaire, he'll mention BattleField 3, or Skyrim.

Ask a photographer why Windows is better than Linux for photography, and he'll name Photoshop.

Ask a movie producer why OSX is better than Windows for his studio, he'll mention Final Cut.

...etc

Each person names the best application in the business, as justification for choosing that OS. You wouldn't criticize the Photographer, by saying "You choose Windows for photography simply because of one app, Photoshop? But that's not a Windows feature!"

You wouldn't criticize the gamers argument, by saying, "Sure Skyrim offers gameplay not available anywhere else, and is the best game ever made, but I'm not going to shell out an extra $50 for that. I'm fine with the free games on Facebook."

Now you asked why iOS is the best in these categories, and I pointed out that the best apps in each category are only available on iOS, or the iOS version has a defining feature missing from other platforms. I went on to mention AirPlay and Siri, both features of the OS.

Your reply didn't seem to disagree that these features are iOS exclusives, it instead focused on your opinion of these added features, saying you don't think they are that big of a deal. That discussion, however, is irrelevant. Even if you don't think Photoshop is that big of a deal, if you said to a professional photographer, "Windows is not better than Linux for photography, because I personally do not like Photoshop." your argument would be invalid.

Just because you do not place high value on the added functionality of Photoshop, or are unwilling to pay for it, does not mean the functionality does not exist.
 
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Ask a movie producer why OSX is better than Windows for his studio, he'll mention Final Cut.

Actually, many in the media industry tell me they choose OSX over Windows cause it's less prone to crashing. I myself feel more comfortable doing some things on OSX for the same reason. Windows isn't the crash dummy it used to be, W7 is pretty reliable. But it's still more crash prone compared to OSX.
 

Yep but see below.

Yeah, I know. But they're not available straight away, right? And how does that work with updates from Google?


You can already root the GS3 and thats all you need to delete the bloatware. Root it, get Titanium backup and delete or freeze the bloatware and your done.

As for ROM's..there is at least one already with more to follow. Always is. It dont take the devs at XDA long :D They are MUCH faster than the dev team for iPhone.
The Devs who did this ROM did it before the device even came out. Samsung leaks things all the time and the devs get hold of it and go to town.
 
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Ask a gamer why Windows is the best for gaming, he won't mention the built-in Solitaire, he'll mention BattleField 3, or Skyrim.

Ask a photographer why Windows is better than Linux for photography, and he'll name Photoshop.

Ask a movie producer why OSX is better than Windows for his studio, he'll mention Final Cut.

...etc

Each person names the best application in the business, as justification for choosing that OS. You wouldn't criticize the Photographer, by saying "You choose Windows for photography simply because of one app, Photoshop? But that's not a Windows feature!"

You wouldn't criticize the gamers argument, by saying, "Sure Skyrim offers gameplay not available anywhere else, and is the best game ever made, but I'm not going to shell out an extra $50 for that. I'm fine with the free games on Facebook."

Now you asked why iOS is the best in these categories, and I pointed out that the best apps in each category are only available on iOS, or the iOS version has a defining feature missing from other platforms. I went on to mention AirPlay and Siri, both features of the OS.

Your reply didn't seem to disagree that these features are iOS exclusives, it instead focused on your opinion of these added features, saying you don't think they are that big of a deal. That discussion, however, is irrelevant. Even if you don't think Photoshop is that big of a deal, if you said to a professional photographer, "Windows is not better than Linux for photography, because I personally do not like Photoshop." your argument would be invalid.

Just because you do not place high value on the added functionality of Photoshop, or are unwilling to pay for it, does not mean the functionality does not exist.

If we're talking about apps now, then your argument that iPhone has better audio is completely null and void.

My Galaxy S2 with the Poweramp app demolishes my iPhone4's audio quality. Even with the inferior DAC, the S2 with the Poweramp app makes the iPhone sound like a tin can.
 
You can already root the GS3 and thats all you need to delete the bloatware. Root it, get Titanium backup and delete or freeze the bloatware and your done.

As for ROM's..there is at least one already with more to follow. Always is. It dont take the devs at XDA long :D They are MUCH faster than the dev team for iPhone.
The Devs who did this ROM did it before the device even came out. Samsung leaks things all the time and the devs get hold of it and go to town.
Ah right, so you can root it and remove the bloatware without installing a custom ROM.

What about when updates come along though? How does that work with these custom ROMs? Do those working on the ROM have to release the updated version or can you simply update from the phone like normal?
 
i would like to go with Samsung galaxy s3 as it have quite cool features compared to iphone4s. The most marvelous thing of samsung galaxy s3 is its design and its sensors features.


Wait for the 11th of June and see if Apple has anything to Offer..... before you jump the gun!!!
 
im done with the android experiment. I cant wait to get rid of this galaxy nexus

I got rid of mine w/in the 14 day return period. Pentile screen was trash compared to the iPhones. Plus w/ an AMOLED screen the software buttons would burn into the screen over time.
 
If we're talking about apps now, then your argument that iPhone has better audio is completely null and void.

My Galaxy S2 with the Poweramp app demolishes my iPhone4's audio quality. Even with the inferior DAC, the S2 with the Poweramp app makes the iPhone sound like a tin can.

Audio quality is not measured by your custom EQ setting. When I use my audiophile headphones with my iPhone, I either use a line out dock to a portable amp, or I use AirPlay to my receiver (happy I no longer need a long cord for this!). In both cases, dedicated audio hardware is processing the signal.

In any case, since you acknowledge that your iPhone has the better DAC, if you used a similar app on your iPhone, or used one of the 20+ EQ settings on the default music app, you would get better results:

Equalizer

Equalizer 10

Stereophonic

Lastly, due to an Android limitation, PowerAmp does not support Volume Normalization, a basic iOS feature:

The problem with normalization in app is that apps on Android has no access to low level Android sound subsystem (i.e. mixer), thus, it can't manipulate volume so freely.
Btw, it looks like each android release has unique sound subsystem and also OEMs adds their varieties, thus they all differ.

http://forum.powerampapp.com/index.php?/topic/1263-dynamic-normalization/
 
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Actually, many in the media industry tell me they choose OSX over Windows cause it's less prone to crashing. I myself feel more comfortable doing some things on OSX for the same reason. Windows isn't the crash dummy it used to be, W7 is pretty reliable. But it's still more crash prone compared to OSX.

I agree, that and viruses/malware is another reason to choose OSX/Linux over Windows. For anyone with these concerns, iOS is the clear winner vs Android. Now that I think about it, iOS has both the advantages of Windows (Apps), and the advantages of OSX/Linux (stability and no viruses/malware).

If these are your concerns, iOS really is the best of both worlds.
 
Audio quality is not measured by your custom EQ setting. When I use my audiophile headphones with my iPhone, I either use a line out dock to a portable amp, or I use AirPlay to my receiver (happy I no longer need a long cord for this!). In both cases, dedicated audio hardware is processing the signal.

In any case, since you acknowledge that your iPhone has the better DAC, if you used a similar app on your iPhone, or used one of the 20+ EQ settings on the default music app, you would get better results:

Equalizer

Equalizer 10

Stereophonic

Lastly, due to an Android limitation, PowerAmp does not support Volume Normalization, a basic iOS feature:



http://forum.powerampapp.com/index.php?/topic/1263-dynamic-normalization/

Well, in most cases when you use iPhone with AirPlay, your iPhone essentially serves as an extremely overpriced low capacity hard drive. The better solutio would be something like DLNA server and a network pplayer (I personally use Yamaha NP-S2000). With this solution you still can use your smart phone as a remote control if you want.

Using phone amp with iPhone is also a strange choice (for the same reason). Besides, sound quality will be determined by the phone's DAC and thus SIII with superior DAC has an upper hand.

The phone is a mobile device and as far as music playing is concerned the only important use case is when the phone is used directly with the headphones. The most critical thing in this equation is the DAC and SIII wins in this department.

Volume Normalization is a useful feature but it has nothing to do with sound quality.

I agree, that and viruses/malware is another reason to choose OSX/Linux over Windows. For anyone with these concerns, iOS is the clear winner vs Android. Now that I think about it, iOS has both the advantages of Windows (Apps), and the advantages of OSX/Linux (stability and no viruses/malware).

If these are your concerns, iOS really is the best of both worlds.

As a MacRumors regular you should know better about which is OS is more vulnerable to malware. Windows solved this problem years ago while OS/X users have just started suffering from it. And you probably know that Android is a version of Linux.
 
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