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I agree, we definitely need some big new features in the next iPhone if it's going to graduate all the way up to iPhone 5 (vs. 4S, etc)... here's what I'd like to see :):
  • A mute button that works on people who annoy me
  • An invisibility cloak via NFC
  • A light saber
  • An HD projector for watching movies up to 8 feet wide on walls
  • A 16 core design with 2GB of VRAM
  • A retina^2 design so I can use a magnifier on the screen and still see no pixels
  • and... well, that ought to do it for the next update
The reality is that very modest upgrades are the name of the game... speed is a no-brainer, maybe a couple of surprises, but those hoping for the "iPhone that does it all" are very likely going to be disappointed.
 
Regular apps have not needed the processing power of the iPhone 3GS or even the iPhone 3G.

It's all about the games. That's about the only thing pushing the platform hardware wise (except for a few Apple/Adobe made apps). Gaming on iOS is one of the big features.

I can clearly see how even the web browser is much faster on the iPad's 2 A5 processor, plus a range of other apps, compared to my iP4.

Sure processing power is the lifeblood of games, but helps a lot on other apps as well.
 
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I see a lot of people worrying that an iPhone without a physical, swappable sim card would be handicapped when you go abroad - they say you wouldn't be able to replace the sim with a local one. I don't so.

A sim card is merely a memory chip which carries certain network settings and other data. It's just data. So, essentially, instead of a sim card which you put into your phone you would download virtual sims which you could 'swap' within the eSim settings. Better than physical sims because you won't need to worry about losing them and, what's more, you won't need to find a shop to buy a sim from. You're off to India? Go to the website of an indian telecoms provider and request an eSim. Want to switch your phone to a different provider? Same deal. Just go to their site and download an eSim.

The only down side is that you can't take your sim from the iPhone and use it in another handset. That said there's no reason this can't be worked around and the advantages of eSims could certainly outweigh the downside.

That all sounds great, but what are the chances that local and international telcos will have that process setup, and setup well (ie: not a beta) JUST for an iPhone? What about countries that don't have iPhones, would they have this ability? Who would this responsibility fall to, Apple or the Telco?

I see lots of problems unless other phone manufactures jump on the eSim bandwagon as well.
 
The only problem with the 3GS is that it was so much more capable than the 3G, that 3rd party app developers never actually wrote anything to take advantage of it. Epic were pretty much the first with the Epic Citadel demo. The phone was so much more capable than the 3G that to write software to take advantage of it would mean foregoing the entire 3G and original iPhone installed base.

That sucked being an early 3GS adopter. Knowing your phone can offer you such a superior experience, yet lacking the software to get it.

I'm on the 3G to 4 schedule. I would've been disappointed to miss out on retina view when it came out (a plus), but the 3G was pretty hampered by the latest update, crashing and severe lagging (a minus).
 
Wow, so much misinformation on this thread about Software SIMs, even people claiming to have knowledge are failing miserably (you should quote references btw)

The Software eSIM is coming, no doubt whatsoever about that. Maybe not right now, but next year for sure. It's being standardised as we speak by the GSMA, the people who make standards for GSM. Here's their own recent description of how it's going:

http://www.gsmworld.com/newsroom/press-releases/2011/6040.htm

"The embedded SIM will be used in addition to existing SIMs rather than replace them, and traditional SIM-supported devices will continue to work on operator networks. The embedded SIM will also be based on already standardised SIM form factors and will remain as a 'physical entity', with the enhanced security that a physical implementation provides."

So it's a still a little bit of hardware that sits inside the phone, just means it's now possible to change the mobile operator identity and data contained within it over the air. They've made it as secure as a regular physical SIM card.

Apple may even have added both a physical SIM (that even smaller version that people talked about) in addition to this one. Who knows.

For those really interested in this tech, here's some light reading describing it's use in high detail: ftp://ftp.3gpp2.org/TSGS/Working/_2...ICC/Embedded SIM Use Cases and Reqts v1 0.pdf
 
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Bring on an A5 equipped iPhone 4, call it whatever you want, it'll truely be the 5th generation iPhone and be a very worthy upgrade.

I sometimes don't think you even read what you write -- why do you think the iPhone A5 will be any different than the 3GS? It'll be faster, but no one will write software to support it because they don't want to lose legacy-support for iP4 and iPad1 users.

So, once again, you'll own a phone that can't utilize it's own speed. A feature that can't be used is effectively worthless to the consumer.

You must be joking. "No one write software to support it". I think app run faster on 3GS and everything is snappier since the first day.
That phase should be for iPhone 3G (same hw as 2G) which no one write app to support it anymore.
 
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jclardy said:
I think these rumors should get their naming conventions straight.

iPhone (1st gen)
iPhone 3G (2nd gen)
iPhone 3GS (3rd gen)
iPhone 4 (4th gen)
iPhone "4S" (Makes sense if it is a speed boost...)
iPhone 5?? - Does not make sense because it is the 6th generation. Could be iPhone 4G, but I think a ton of people would be confused by that because many people call it the "iPhone 4G" already, even thought it is not.

I think the most likely case is for Apple to not go with the "4S" name and just call the next one iPhone 5.

Check the device ID in system profiler.

Original iPhone is 1,1
iPhone 3G is 1,2
iPhone 3GS is 2,1
iPhone 4 is 3,1

3G was literally exactly the same with upgraded connectivity. 3GS and 4 were both new generations. It has nothing to do with which generation. If the call the next one iPhone 4s the next would be iPhone 6 or something. Or maybe 5 since it is just marketing. I'd prefer they just call it iPhone and be done with it.

The upgrade is evident in device ID's so let's stop calling 3G major and 3GS minor when it's the exact opposite.
 
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Check the device ID in system profiler.

Original iPhone is 1,1
iPhone 3G is 1,2
iPhone 3GS is 2,1
iPhone 4 is 3,1

3G was literally exactly the same with upgraded connectivity. 3GS and 4 were both new generations. It has nothing to do with which generation. If the call the next one iPhone 4s the next would be iPhone 6 or something. Or maybe 5 since it is just marketing. I'd prefer they just call it iPhone and be done with it.

The upgrade is evident in device ID's so let's stop calling 3G major and 3GS minor when it's the exact opposite.

It would be nice if they dropped the number designation and just go with iPhone. I mean they don't call it Macbook Pro 7….
 
You must be joking. "No one write software to support it". I think app run faster on 3GS and everything is snappier since the first day.

Sure it was snappier, but it's not like the 3G was completely unusable. The fact is, it took quite a while until someone said "hey, this 3GS device is pretty fast, let's write software to push it to its limits, sure it won't run on the iPhone 3G, but so what ?"

But my recount, it took close to 1 year before we reached that point (and the iPhone 4 basically being out and a lot of 3G owners upgrading to it).

The 3GS was much more than "snappier" than the 3G. It could completely destroy it in raw processing power.
 
I'll get a new one no matter what… my 3GS is just too slow anymore. I hate waiting for text to show up in after I type it.

I found that restarting my phone (when I had a 3GS) fixed that issue…

I would like dual cores because there are some websites that I visit that peg the CPU of my device. It ends up being a pain to navigate the sites when they are so slow.
 
I found that restarting my phone (when I had a 3GS) fixed that issue…

I would like dual cores because there are some websites that I visit that peg the CPU of my device. It ends up being a pain to navigate the sites when they are so slow.

Restarting makes things faster, but there is still a lot of typing lag when I'm using Beejive IM.

Dual cores would be great, but we get what we get.
 
Apple should NOT use the naming scheme 4S & 5. Why are they going to ship their sixth iPhone and call it iPhone 5? They messed the whole thing up with 3G because it was their second phone--if they had called it iPhone 2, all would have been fine...but they wanted to make it obvious that the primary difference was 3G. Then they could have called the 3Gs iPhone 3 and iPhone 4 could be iPhone 4. Yuck.
 
Apple should NOT use the naming scheme 4S & 5. Why are they going to ship their sixth iPhone and call it iPhone 5? They messed the whole thing up with 3G because it was their second phone--if they had called it iPhone 2, all would have been fine...but they wanted to make it obvious that the primary difference was 3G. Then they could have called the 3Gs iPhone 3 and iPhone 4 could be iPhone 4. Yuck.

What about iPhone A5? Name it after the processor like the PowerMacs and PowerBooks were.
 
I cant wait for the iPhone 4S or 5 to come out. It will be hilarious looking back on these posts where people are so adamant about why it HAS to be named one or the other.
 
Android will probably gain more market share while Apple lags with a refresh instead of a new model. It will be a year before they approach the cutting edge again.
 
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