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From a hardware standpoint, 3GS to 4 was a far bigger upgrade than 3G to 3GS. Retina Display? Vastly superior camera with flash?

Retina display ? Makes for slower 3D graphics.

The iPhone 4 is the same basic internals as the 3GS, a Cortex A8 CPU with a SGX535 GPU. There was no upgrade.

3G to 3GS, now that was an upgrade.

As for the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 with A5 processor suffering the same fate, I think it won't be the case, thanks to iPad 2 changing the rules. More devs will more quickly take advantage of the enhanced GPU and multiple cores. If anything, the iPhone 4 will get dated a lot faster than the 3GS will be.
 
Dear Apple,
I am sure you are reading this forum very carefully. So read title above, think, read again, think again. There is some wisdom in there. Think different.

That's it exactly, it's a user interface so why keep it contained in silly bits of plastic that we have seek like primitive hunter-gatherers.

It's high time it moved to software, and user interfaces is one of the things Apple does best.
 
Retina display ? Makes for slower 3D graphics.

The iPhone 4 is the same basic internals as the 3GS, a Cortex A8 CPU with a SGX535 GPU. There was no upgrade.

3G to 3GS, now that was an upgrade.

As for the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 with A5 processor suffering the same fate, I think it won't be the case, thanks to iPad 2 changing the rules. More devs will more quickly take advantage of the enhanced GPU and multiple cores. If anything, the iPhone 4 will get dated a lot faster than the 3GS will be.

In the context of gaming, I 110% agree; regular apps probably won't see much change.
 
Retina display ? Makes for slower 3D graphics.

The iPhone 4 is the same basic internals as the 3GS, a Cortex A8 CPU with a SGX535 GPU. There was no upgrade.

3G to 3GS, now that was an upgrade.

As for the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 with A5 processor suffering the same fate, I think it won't be the case, thanks to iPad 2 changing the rules. More devs will more quickly take advantage of the enhanced GPU and multiple cores. If anything, the iPhone 4 will get dated a lot faster than the 3GS will be.

You cant seriously say that. The 3GS brought A8/535, double memory and VGA video capture. The End.

iP4 brought Retina Display...even if the GPU is now pushing more pixels it is still a better screen/experience overall, improved rear cam, flash, 720p video capture, front cam, 802.11n, double RAM, higher clocked CPU, gyroscope, design overhaul, improved mic/speakers, noise canceling.

Yes the iPhone 4 is based on Cortex A8 but it doesn't mean the A4 isn't still a different processor to that in the 3GS. One was an 800MHz chip underclocked to 600MHz, the other a more power efficient 1GHz chip underclocked to 800MHz.
 
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Retina display ? Makes for slower 3D graphics.

The iPhone 4 is the same basic internals as the 3GS, a Cortex A8 CPU with a SGX535 GPU. There was no upgrade.

3G to 3GS, now that was an upgrade.

As for the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 with A5 processor suffering the same fate, I think it won't be the case, thanks to iPad 2 changing the rules. More devs will more quickly take advantage of the enhanced GPU and multiple cores. If anything, the iPhone 4 will get dated a lot faster than the 3GS will be.

The CPU was a 600 mhz to 900 mhz upgrade, which is 50% faster. I'd say it's an upgrade.

Also Retina Display probably was the biggest upgrade and the selling point of iPhone 4. A high res display is a big convenience to read text, browse web, etc. The only reason I wish I had an iPhone 4 was the display.
 
Retina display ? Makes for slower 3D graphics.

The iPhone 4 is the same basic internals as the 3GS, a Cortex A8 CPU with a SGX535 GPU. There was no upgrade.

3G to 3GS, now that was an upgrade.

As for the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 with A5 processor suffering the same fate, I think it won't be the case, thanks to iPad 2 changing the rules. More devs will more quickly take advantage of the enhanced GPU and multiple cores. If anything, the iPhone 4 will get dated a lot faster than the 3GS will be.

who rly cares about THAT, redesign is all i care about and the retina display. thats why i never wanted the 3GS cuz i already had the 3G
 
Does it really matter? Apple could release the same phone in pink and there will be lines around the corner.
 
A9 dual core you have a buyer Apple. Single faster core, don't care no sale.

Also drop a 1gig memory for all those apps I keep leaving open. ;)

But what I really want is a better design UI and more response on apps already there.
 
The CPU was a 600 mhz to 900 mhz upgrade, which is 50% faster. I'd say it's an upgrade.

Also Retina Display probably was the biggest upgrade and the selling point of iPhone 4. A high res display is a big convenience to read text, browse web, etc. The only reason I wish I had an iPhone 4 was the display.

Wouldn't that be 30% faster?

And it's 800MHz, not 900.
 
I think 50% would theoretically be right, 600+300 = 900. But of course this is if we're talking about 900 MHz still
 
makes sense...and more importantly, an update where i won't be too jealous. I'll be first in line for the "5th generation"
 
A9 dual core you have a buyer Apple. Single faster core, don't care no sale.

Also drop a 1gig memory for all those apps I keep leaving open. ;)

But what I really want is a better design UI and more response on apps already there.

Let me ask, why?

What do you care if the apps run the same?

(that is unless you are a spec whore and use specs to compare penis size)
 
Let me ask, why?

What do you care if the apps run the same?

(that is unless you are a spec whore and use specs to compare penis size)

Judging by his last comment, I think he was being sarcastic. (Hence the ;) and the fact that iOS doesn't leave most apps open.)
 
It truly amazes me how no one here seems to have a clue regarding the way SIMs work and function. I'm not here to lecture anyone, I just invite users to read about the SIM standard. I would just like to make a few points clear.

1) Apple cannot simply make a SIM card adapter and "make a copy" for the sim into a virtual sim. It's impossible to read the encryption keys.

2) SIM cards contain a few important codes, some of each are easily readable, while others are NEVER revealed to the phone itself nor the network. Basically the carrier gives the phone a code and asks for the phone to REQUEST the sim card to sign it. The SIM card itself (it's a microchip) signs the code, returns it to the phone, which in turn delivers it to the carrier, which then replies with the temporary encryption key for the data/voice session.

3) Having e-Sims make it specially dangerous to run jailbroken iphones. A jailbroken app could hijack your "e-sim" information and clone it.

4) the idea of an esim is NOT what Apple requested to the standards authorities a couple of weeks ago. What they asked for was for a standard on a SMALLER PHYSICAL sim card. That is, smaller than current micro-sims. Even current microsims have a lot of wasted real estate. The chip itself is about 2 sq milimeters. It's the contacts and the plastic around them that makes them bigger.


So, no, no "e-sims" anytime soon. And no, no "sim copying" anytime soon, either.

so people, please do inform yourselves on what SIMs actually do.
 
Retina display ? Makes for slower 3D graphics.

It's a phone, not a 3DS or PSP. The ip4 display has so many advantages over the 3GS that your argument is really starting to sound ridiculous. The 3 and 3GS share FAR more hardware then the IP4. The IP4 shares a CPU/GPU with the 3GS and even then, higher clocked versions. Everything else is different. You're wrong, get over it already.
 
It truly amazes me how no one here seems to have a clue regarding the way SIMs work and function. I'm not here to lecture anyone, I just invite users to read about the SIM standard. I would just like to make a few points clear.

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So, no, no "e-sims" anytime soon. And no, no "sim copying" anytime soon, either.

so people, please do inform yourselves on what SIMs actually do.
Welp, I learned something today.

It's a phone, not a 3DS or PSP. The ip4 display has so many advantages over the 3GS that your argument is really starting to sound ridiculous. The 3 and 3GS share FAR more hardware then the IP4. The IP4 shares a CPU/GPU with the 3GS and even then, higher clocked versions. Everything else is different. You're wrong, get over it already.
The funny thing to me is that in the computer world a 33% increase in cpu power is GREAT.
 
Sticking with my 3Gs until we see an iPhone on a fast real 4G (LTE) network. Why bother upgrading if it's gonna be the same crappy network. You'll be stuck for two more years.

Exactly I really wanted the VeriPhone, but I hesitantly (because no dual-core) got the thunderbolt, but because LTE is everything they have been raving about and more I dont regret my decision for a second.

I love my MBP, so would love to try an iPhone, but not until the internet speeds get up to par at least.
My usage:
1) Texts - all phones are good at this.
2) Internet - I use 5-10GB a month so this must be fast, reliable, unlimited
3) apps - non-factor
4) calls - non-factor

Apple is losing serious ground if they dont have Dual core and/or LTE or something comparable...
 
In the context of gaming, I 110% agree; regular apps probably won't see much change.

Regular apps have not needed the processing power of the iPhone 3GS or even the iPhone 3G.

It's all about the games. That's about the only thing pushing the platform hardware wise (except for a few Apple/Adobe made apps). Gaming on iOS is one of the big features.
 
Apple is losing serious ground if they dont have Dual core and/or LTE or something comparable...

How is the rest of the world doing with LTE? Seems like we only talk about Verizon with regards to LTE.

Apple still sells between 150,000-200,000 iPhones every day worldwide...
 
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