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iPhone 4S with iOS 8
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Are you joking? I get the belief that tech should last a long time, and I typically get closer to your ten years out of a high end desktop. However, cell phones, while expensive, are a luxury item, and therefore treated as semi disposable after the typical contract ends. I've got about 3 years out of my 4S, and it is definitely getting buggy and slow even without updating to iOS8.
Apple has no intention of supporting it (4S) any longer than it supports the A5 chip with upgrades. Sure, they are still selling A5s in the iPad mini, but it won't make it past next year. I suspect the year after that, the iOS won't support it either. Apple (and all the others) don't make the huge profits from you sitting on old hardware.
neversink
macrumors regular
Yes, I was partially joking, but everything I said was true, particularly the sickening planned obsolescence of products that aren't really obsolete....
Cell phones are not luxury items, as you claim. Everyone here in Kenya has one. People all around the globe have cell phones. A luxury item is something most people can't afford.
Apple sells a product. they should support it for a long time after it debuts, not just for two or three years. My iPhone 4s works great. it is unethical for them to stop supporting a product fully after just three years. People pay a lot of money for these phones.
cjmillsnun
macrumors 68020
It's above industry standard for smartphones. Most have no support after 2 years. The exception was the old Symbian based Nokia phones. But even they are totally out of support now.
Mobile phones might not be luxury items, but smartphones are.
BTW there will be an update for the 4S that will bring the speed back closer to where it should be. That comes next Monday.
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I was about to say the same thing about the smartphones. My father gets by just fine with a flip phone. I know an insurance salesman and a farmer that both have only flip phones. The insurance salesman could probably really use the smartphone given all his contacts and travel, but doesn't need it. They are still luxury items.
As for cell phones in general, no one truly needs them. We got along just fine for decades without them. Sure there may be very few pay phones around these days, but you don't need to own your own cell phone to survive. Given the true cost in the US to pay for a two year contract, even on a flip phone, I'd still classify them all as luxury items. They aren't cheap.
I'm really hoping they clean up iOS 8 a bit more for A5 devices. I believe they will considering they are still selling the first iPad mini as the low cost device. The iPod Touch still has it too. Here's hoping they make an effort to optimize iOS 8 for a while longer!
oldmacs
macrumors 603
They're selling the iPod Touch 5th Gen as the premium iPod Touch, so I doubt its going to loose software support in less than a year, and if the iPod Touch gets it, so would the 4S as they're the same practically. In addition to that, Apple has never dropped support for an iPad after being off the market for under a year. I think A5 devices will get one last hurrah with iOS 9 perhaps. Bit hard to ignore A5 devices when currently 63% of iPads in use are A5...
pacorob
macrumors 68020
I hope that is true but based on the iOS 8.1 beta thread it doesn't seem there is improvement for older devices. No mention of performance improvements in release notes for the beta. My guess is it is too early in the cycle for the major performance improvements.
That said the iPod touch I updated is not really that much slower in my tests.
Thats what we have, and we have both noticed issues. Hers is her original, while I have a refurb from having battery issues and the ear-speaker died on mine while under AppleCare. I wonder if I can still do a full restore even without Apple signing 7.1.2. I'm a bit reluctant to try because I don't want the forced upgrade until I see some consensus that iOS 8 works smoothly.
Hi.
Coule you please tell me if it´s possible to receipt SMS and phone call between am iPhone 4S and an iPad 4 both with iOS 8 in the next update ?
For now my 4s is still under 7.1.2 and iPad 4 with 6.1.3.
I keep this iOS because of the battery life and smoothness IU.
Coule you please tell me if it´s possible to receipt SMS and phone call between am iPhone 4S and an iPad 4 both with iOS 8 in the next update ?
For now my 4s is still under 7.1.2 and iPad 4 with 6.1.3.
I keep this iOS because of the battery life and smoothness IU.
Hi!
Receiving and starting phone calls with your iPad (via iPhone) is already possible using iOS 8.0.2. Did that last week and today.
SMS however is not possible yet. As I understand it from the iPad-keynote, that will be implemented using iOS 8.1 (which will be released Monday, October 20th).
I have the same combination of devices.
Battery life is not significantly worse using iOS 8. In fact, I found the idle time to drain less battery than using iOS 7. Smoothness however is a different topic. My iPad 4 does get along quite nicely but still slower than with iOS 7 (especially when switching between apps). My iPhone 4s is so much worse that I'm really not happy. If you switch between apps the app has to reload completely (even if you've just left it ten seconds ago), meaning reloading websites and costing precious time. When playing music and browsing Safari I actually had my music stutter because of the loading website (The Verge). And yes, I've tried all optimizations. It's no fun.
Still keeping my fingers crossed that iOS 8.1(.x) will bring improvements.
Best regards,
VSG
Very sure 🙂. As I said, I started and accepted calls to my iPhone 4s both with my iPad 4 and my MBA. So yes, it works. At least here, I've read in the forums some people are having difficulties with it.
How that'll work with the SMS, I can tell you in about 24 to 48 hours when iOS 8.1 is released. 😉
According to the Apple presentations the iPhone 4s gets these Continuity-features (done through WiFi).
It does not however get Handsoff (which is a part of Continuity). So picking up surfing on the other device where you left off, or composing an e-mail or anything like that, doesn't work on the 4s. It does work on the iPad 4. Sad, but Handsoff to me isn't as important as the the phone calls (and hopefully the SMS sending will work with 8.1).
Hope that helped a bit.
Best regards,
VSG
humar
macrumors 6502
Then the requirements on the continuity page must be wrong. Says requires iPhone 5 or newer. I guess that's a bonus.
So let me see if i understand correctly
I have
Iphone 4S 8.0.2
Ipad Mini 2 8.0.2
MBA Yosemite (Mid 2011)
So as of today October 19 2014
I cannot receive or make phone calls from either of my Mac and Ipad until Ios 8.1 for my iphone?
I have
Iphone 4S 8.0.2
Ipad Mini 2 8.0.2
MBA Yosemite (Mid 2011)
So as of today October 19 2014
I cannot receive or make phone calls from either of my Mac and Ipad until Ios 8.1 for my iphone?
No, right now you can make phone calls with your iPad Mini 2.
Only SMS-relay requires iOS 8.1.
According to the Apple-support-website you're MBA does not meet the requirements for Continuity. Only MBA-models since Mid 2012 are supported for Continuity. Sorry.
Best regards,
VSG
mangomind
macrumors 6502a
anyone having problems updating their 4S?
I downloaded and updated via iTunes (normally do over the air), but twice I've done it now and it gets to about 90% of the way when looking at the white bar on the phone and it says that its hit an unknown error.
When i reconnect I am asked to connect to iTunes, but then i go around in circles.
I downloaded and updated via iTunes (normally do over the air), but twice I've done it now and it gets to about 90% of the way when looking at the white bar on the phone and it says that its hit an unknown error.
When i reconnect I am asked to connect to iTunes, but then i go around in circles.