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Apple doesn't care so much about # of units.
Huh?

They make such huge profits from a share of the $$$ contracts with the carriers.
So how does this happen without the unit sales you so casually dismiss? More contracts imply more iPhones sold. Less iPhones means less contracts.

I'm not sure if Samsung has similar arrangements but they don't have nearly the leverage that Apple does.
Yep. Samsung is really sucking air right now. 30 days from the poor house I'd say. :D
 
LOL @ iOS being dated. It's only dated to young people who constantly need something changed for its own sake -- usually to justify their ADD. Once you are in the tech field long enough you find out that most people hate change and constancy with consistency will always outperform the flashy thing that keeps changing in the long run.
 
Their market share is dropping because the NUMBER (not necessarily, but arguably the quality too) of competitors is going through the roof.

Android smartphones of massively varying qualities (and prices) are flooding the market, so obviously a company who essentially make ONE (premium priced) phone each year's market share is going to drop.

This is an old, obsolete argument. Apple currently makes 32 different iPhone models; two colors, 3 different carriers, 3 different sizes (for iPhone 5), across many different price points (including free). That gives people plenty of choices.
 
Right but the Android OS has a higher marketshare than iOS. Apple does care about that b/c it affects what platform devs develop for first. Also a lot of the new iPhone sales are people upgrading old iPhones. Its not new customers. That's also a problem. Plus Apple wants the bragging rights, I'm sure.

Of course android outpaces iOS in M/S, there's about 9 bazillion different models of phone (smart and not so smart) on the platform!
 
LOL @ iOS being dated. It's only dated to young people who constantly need something changed for its own sake -- usually to justify their ADD. Once you are in the tech field long enough you find out that most people hate change and constancy with consistency will always outperform the flashy thing that keeps changing in the long run.

IT's not change for changes sake. It's for a bit of individuality, it's human nature to be an individual.
 
The release of iPhone 4S partly helped Samsung achieve that tremendous growth. Think about it, in late 2011, you'd had your iPhone 4 for 18 months already, if you don't understand what does dual core etc. mean, would you want to buy a phone that looks exactly the same and hold it for another 12 months or more?

Sucker logic.

Samsung and other OEMs keep recreating new hardware because their users can't get the latest release of the OS. They'd rather force them into buying brand new hardware. Android is being released at such a pace the OEMs and carriers can't keep up, so they ditch their current customers and just move on to new devices. And maybe, eventually put out an update... MAYBE.

I know a ton of people still using the 3GS as their phone. Why? Because over the passed 3.5 years, Apple has offered 3 OS upgrades; 3.0 - > 4.0 -> 5.0-> 6.0. Most people don't care about new hardware, they just want their phone to continue working.

People who do upgrade to new hardware may not be interested in how it looks but other aspects: better screen, faster performance, etc.

When I upgrade ANY product or device, it's not because of how it looks, but rather what it's capable of doing better than the current device I have.
 
It's not really denial. It's preference. I've seen and played with many Samsungs, they feel cheap. Kinda like the way a Dell does.

I see what you're saying. I myself have an iPhone but to blindly consider Apple superior over everything else is ignorance. Like you said it's preference. I'm sure there are many people out there that feel the same way about Apple. In this case they are doing well, and there's no harm in admitting it. Instead of saying "Yeah right" or whatever, because that is denial regardless of if it feels cheap or not.
 
Apple doesn't care so much about # of units. They make such huge profits from a share of the $$$ contracts with the carriers. I'm not sure if Samsung has similar arrangements but they don't have nearly the leverage that Apple does.

That was in 2007/2008, Apple's new model is getting paid $650+ for every phone, REGARDLESS of who pays it. Could be the carrier via subsidy or could be the customer.

If you keep your iPhone 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years, Apple gets paid the same.
 
This is an old, obsolete argument. Apple currently makes 32 different iPhone models; two colors, 3 different carriers, 3 different sizes (for iPhone 5), across many different price points (including free). That gives people plenty of choices.

I was talking about new phones each year. and yes there's colour and size choices (as there are for many smartphones), but it is still essentially one phone.

The number of choices of alternative handsets is growing at a much higher rate than the choices when it comes to iPhones.
 
Just curious. Are Samsung forums flooded with people who use iPhones and berate Samsung users? Are there Samsung forums?
 
Sammy is still kicking arse.

The ability to run any app I chose without being "blessed" by a higher authority. :eek:

Oh... and a MicroSD slot.

I'd be interested to know exactly which apps you need to run that are not on iOS. Please be specific.
 
Depends which city you live in mate. Judging by your name I presume that you are an Everton fan and live in Liverpool?

In Birmingham, there seems to be more android phones around, (Samsung and HTC) - this is a general observation

That's surprising, I spend a decent bit of time in Birmingham (and around the country) on business, and it's not something I've noticed really varying by location significantly. I'll bow to your greater insight though since you live there.
 
Look. Both companies make great products. The thing that is crazy is the people claiming SG3 is cheap because it has plastic parts. Do you people realize how easy it is to scratch the aluminum on the iphone? Build quality is WAY overhyped here. Plastic =/= bad quality just as aluminum =/= amazing quality.

Different people want different products.

Samsung has JB, which IS the best OS as of right now. It's also fully customizable.

iPhone has the clean and simple aspect. Easy to use.
 
Just curious. Are Samsung forums flooded with people who use iPhones and berate Samsung users? Are there Samsung forums?

Probably not really. In much the same way that Windows PC forums aren't inundated with Mac users spouting off, and yet, in reverse.......

Apple and its users have always and probably will always draw a lot of flak from "others" for whatever reason.
 
Sucker logic.

Samsung and other OEMs keep recreating new hardware because their users can't get the latest release of the OS. They'd rather force them into buying brand new hardware. Android is being released at such a pace the OEMs and carriers can't keep up, so they ditch their current customers and just move on to new devices. And maybe, eventually put out an update... MAYBE.

I know a ton of people still using the 3GS as their phone. Why? Because over the passed 3.5 years, Apple has offered 3 OS upgrades; 3.0 - > 4.0 -> 5.0-> 6.0. Most people don't care about new hardware, they just want their phone to continue working.

People who do upgrade to new hardware may not be interested in how it looks but other aspects: better screen, faster performance, etc.

When I upgrade ANY product or device, it's not because of how it looks, but rather what it's capable of doing better than the current device I have.

Tell me. What has been so special about apples updates? a nice new panoramic camera? New maps? The updates have been lame. 2 years ago I wouldn't touch Android with a 10 foot barge pole. Sure their updates haven't been as smooth but they have been worthwhile.
 
IT's not change for changes sake. It's for a bit of individuality, it's human nature to be an individual.

In my observation, it's human nature to conform. That's why there are things like peer pressure, people flocking to Apple or Samsung or something else, and people who keep up with the Jonses...

And the whole concept of individuality is VERY much dictated by your culture and even then the tendency is to conform overall.
 
LOL @ iOS being dated. It's only dated to young people who constantly need something changed for its own sake -- usually to justify their ADD. Once you are in the tech field long enough you find out that most people hate change and constancy with consistency will always outperform the flashy thing that keeps changing in the long run.

Wow. Do we really need to make a list of leading companies that went belly-up due to exactly that point of view?
 
Of course android outpaces iOS in M/S, there's about 9 bazillion different models of phone (smart and not so smart) on the platform!

# of models is irrelevant. Point is Android has a better adoption rate than iOS. Apple has models across all price points from free to massively expensive. But for whatever reason more people are choosing Android. I'm not saying this as a Fandroid, but as an iOS fan that reluctantly recognizes Apple needs to revisit iOS or it's going to get smashed like it did with the Mac OS.
 
Samsung's rise is pretty impressive even if your not a Samsung fan

Sure. As far as market share for all phones 'classified' as smart phones.

I believe it is any phone with an OS of some sort. (iOS, android, BlackBerry OS,Bada, Windows Phone, webOS, and Maemo, MeeGo etc..).

I would be interested in the comparison of high end phones between the companies.
 
Just curious. Are Samsung forums flooded with people who use iPhones and berate Samsung users? Are there Samsung forums?

You will probably find that most of these people on here are long time Apple users annoyed at the lack of change from Apple.
 
Just curious. Are Samsung forums flooded with people who use iPhones and berate Samsung users? Are there Samsung forums?

No. It's obvious that self-loathing people buy Samsung products out of some unrealistic hatred for all things Apple and can only feel better about themselves when they say something negative about Apple products and people who use them ... isn't that what those Samsung commercials were all about? Trying to cast themselves as elitists so no one mistakes them for the tools that they are.
 
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