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Ok, fair enough. 3 of those 4 are preferences, not something that is completely unavailable on both, but okay.

FYI: I'm not being sacastic, just curious. I'd bet that 90% of apps that 90% of people need are on both systems. Pre-approval and vetting of apps gives the edge to Apple. Of course, my 'statistics', like Samsungs sales numbers, are made up, so who knows.

Now I'm being sarcastic. :D

Well I agree. But isn't funny how people say the iOS ecosystem (and often referring to Apps only) is so much better? Truth is - they are pretty much the same when it comes down to what apps are REALLY used or preferred. I am on both platforms. And I've never really "wanted" on one that wasn't available on the other.

The real question is how many of those phones that Samsung shipped were really smartphones, I mean they make a lot dumbphones as well. Let us compare the numbers of Galaxy S3 and iPhone...

I'm pretty sure the headline and chart state "SMARTPHONE MARKET" - so I'm guessing that dumbphones aren't included.
 
How many of these iOS users on older hardware are getting the benefit of the newer software

Does an iPhone 4 have all the features of iOS 6

My 2-1/2 year old IP4 with iOS6 has a hell of a lot more of the current features than ANY 1 year or older 2.X Android.
 
lol @ "Samsung makes the best phones."

Rightttttt...

I've had the same opinion of Samsung, which has been biased from bad experiences. Anyone remember the Glyde? It texted people while I slept! And I've had other Samsung products that proved unreliable. Yea yea, luck of the draw, but it's still left me biased.

But the other day, I actually put my hands on a GS3. The screen is amazing and it has a very solid feel. It was much different than I expected, after having owning numerous Androids before Verizon got iPhone. I was very impressed. It definitely has me thinking twice about using my upgrade on the iPhone 5.
(But you all know I will! :apple:)
 
Apple doesn't care so much about # of units. They make such huge profits from a share of the $$$ contracts with the carriers. I'm not sure if Samsung has similar arrangements but they don't have nearly the leverage that Apple does.

Where does this come from?

Samsung is an enormous player in the mobile market as evidenced by their growth and sales numbers. Samsung also have phones across the entire spectrum from flagship smartphones to the phones you'd get free with contract. I guarantee that they have significant clout with the various carriers.
 
I'd be interested to know exactly which apps you need to run that are not on iOS. Please be specific.

Whilst this isnt directed at me, I'd like to answer.

It's not a specific app per-se but a piece of basic functionality: The ability to CHOOSE what the default app is for certain functions. I dont want to use Safari to open links when Chrome is a MUCH better browser. I dont want to use Apple Maps to open a map link.

The OS needs opening up a bit. The problem is that as soon as Apple do this, they risk loosing the 30% cut on all appstore sales - that's what its all about for them at the end of the day.
 
most have to remember iphones did not have LTE until recently and second samsung has multiple phones. As stated both are doing quite well and for a single solution phone apple fares pretty well.
 
Their market share is dropping because the NUMBER (not necessarily, but arguably the quality too) of competitors is going through the roof.

Android smartphones of massively varying qualities (and prices) are flooding the market, so obviously a company who essentially make ONE (premium priced) phone each year's market share is going to drop.

As long as each iPhone Apple release continues to be the fastest selling phone in history, i don't think they'll mind too much about M/S which really is a problem that's tough to deal with, in this sort of market.

Here is another thought too. Apple's supply of iPhones is limited for months after each new release. They sell every one they can make. Samsung was supplying a number of major components for these phones. Since they are loading the channel with so many of their phones, how easy would it be to limit Apple's production by building processors and screens for your products first. How many bought the Samsung Copies because the iPhone was out of stock. I believe that Apple moving away from them is also to prevent them from having that kind of power over their business.
 
Whilst I see what you're getting at, what do you seriously think is a better end result of dropping a phone:

- Drop a Samsung, back cover pops off, the battery comes out, and maybe the SD or Sim card as well - you shout at the floor, pick the bits up, put it back together and carry on.

- Drop an iPhone, smash the screen, scuff the metalwork, shout at the floor, then go into your local AppleStore and ask how much it'll cost.

Wherever you got those information, you must either be biased or got it from the wrong sources.

If you compare the iPhone 5 with the Samsung Galaxy SIII:

Samsung Galaxy SIII - Screen cracks, scuffing at the edges, and if you're unlucky, the back cover pops out and out spills the contents (battery, SIM card and SD card)

iPhone 5 - Worst case scenario: Scuffing at the edges and maybe at the back.
Best case scenario: Little bit of scuffing at the edges.
 
Why oh why do tech blogs keep writing on this ********. Of course one company that currently has 15 or 30 current models of phones is going to sell more than a company that currently produces 2 or 3. All these dumb articles do is increase the sale of lotion and kleenex by Android fanboys.
 
The fact of the matter is, regardless of how well Samsung are doing these days, they only have a couple of good smartphones the rest are complete w@nk.

The SGS3 is a good phone, if the iPhone didnt exist it would be my next choice. The Note 2 is also nice, but in my opinion, laughably big.

I saw a girl the other day with one wedged into her jeans pocket (most of the phone was sticking out), and she was saying that people keep on asking of its a phone or something else. She was actually getting really fed up of the unwanted attention.

I also believe that by trying to cram as many gimmicks into the SGS3 Samsung have already blown their wad so to speak. What are they going to put in the next one? What's left with current technology? Where next?

You may find that people will also see Android becoming stale in the not too distant future, up until now it has been playing catch up.
 
The real question is how many of those phones that Samsung shipped were really smartphones, I mean they make a lot dumbphones as well. Let us compare the numbers of Galaxy S3 and iPhone...

If you took the time to look at the spreadsheets you wouldn't need to ask. Samsung 56.3M smartphones, Apple 26.9M.
 
If you include all the worldwide sales obviously Samsung is a winner. They throw all kinds of phone in the market from design, prices and quality. I wonder how's the S3 alone or with the Note combined compares to the iPhone 4 or 5.
 
What do you NEED from a phone that the iPhone does not do. I express the "need" part of your comment.

I need a phone that can mute over Wifi the music that I'm playing on my computer when I receive a phone call because I often can't hear it. iPhones can't do that.

I need a phone that I can easily develop for without being limited to one developer platform (OS X).

I need a phone that I can easily use as a storage device to hold certain important files, without the need of carrying an additional USB stick.
 
I still fail to see the true logic in Apple's "one" model vs (for example) Samsung's many models when it comes to arguing marketshare.

When a single person walks into the store - they (more than likely) are buying ONE phone. They have a choice (narrowing this down) - Apple/iOS or Not Apple/iOS (let's say Samsung/Android).

It's not an obvious statement to say that since Samsung makes so many different ones, they automatically should have more marketshare. It only means that if someone doesn't want an iPhone/iOS - they have many choices as to which phone they do get.

It's not the same - for example - as buying a pair of jeans or shirts where someone might walk into several different stores and buy 2 from one and 3 from another.
 
Wherever you got those information, you must either be biased or got it from the wrong sources.

If you compare the iPhone 5 with the Samsung Galaxy SIII:

Samsung Galaxy SIII - Screen cracks, scuffing at the edges, and if you're unlucky, the back cover pops out and out spills the contents (battery, SIM card and SD card)

iPhone 5 - Worst case scenario: Scuffing at the edges and maybe at the back.
Best case scenario: Little bit of scuffing at the edges.

You are correct with the iPhone 5 - however with the 4/4s it did break if dropped on its side. Also for the iPhone 5 the worst case scenario is not scuffing - the worse case scenario (for any phone) would be smashing the screen.

As for the S3 - it's about on par with the iP4 with regards to damage - you've basically twisted my words to mean that every time an S3 is dropped it'll smash the screen - which is rubbish.
 
The release of iPhone 4S partly helped Samsung achieve that tremendous growth. Think about it, in late 2011, you'd had your iPhone 4 for 18 months already, if you don't understand what does dual core etc. mean, would you want to buy a phone that looks exactly the same and hold it for another 12 months or more?


Best post.

This "strategy" of warming over the old phone every other year with "s"peed or some gimmick like Siri doesn't work for most people.

I guess Jonny I've thinks his designs are timeless. Unfortunately... no. No one is even interested in mimicking the design anymore b/c it's old fashioned.


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I first had an iPhone 4 then I got a Samsung Galaxy phone...

I've never wanted to get rid anything faster... the Galaxy phone was a total nightmare.

Both systems are lacking in one way or another, but at the end of the day I'd prefer an Apple over Android... it's ease of use is just superior. Also the build is definitely better quality.

IMO.
 
My 2-1/2 year old IP4 with iOS6 has a hell of a lot more of the current features than ANY 1 year or older 2.X Android.

Surely that would depend on the handset maker of said Android device. For example some HTC's (honestly cant remember which models - way too many to remember!) were given an upgrade a while back.

It's not a 'android is never updated' situation - its down to the handset manufacturer. In any case, at least the phone owner has the ability to put a custom rom on there, so even if the manufacturer doesn't provide an upgrade path, you can still use a newer release of the OS.
 
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